zMAX

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: Dave5358
If you want to order some for analysis and you cannot find it at a VW dealer as you claim, then your question has still been answered.


Logic would indicate that you either obtained it from a VW dealer or you didn't.

Since you cannot provide the dealer's name, logic would further indicate your statements are false.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
That you fail again and again to name the dealer you claim you got it from leads to the conclusion that you made it up.

Please let Molakule ask his own questions.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Dave5358
If you want to order some for analysis and you cannot find it at a VW dealer as you claim, then your question has still been answered.

Logic would indicate that you either obtained it from a VW dealer or you didn't.

Logic would indicate that you have either done research, analyzed 'things', published or otherwise shared your research with others, and so on, or else you are just blasting the forum with endless windy blather. That you have refused to provide this information, despite repeated requests to do so, might suggest you have never done the research, done no analysis... but are just providing windy answers off the cuff and basically are a discredit to both higher education and science.

So, please tell us your publications or research in the area of motor oils or additives or anything. Well, other than your 'contributions' to BITOG. I recall you trashing the reputations of Dr Richard Shalvoy and Maurice LePera, whose conclusions on Zmax were well documented and their methodology was quite public. Yet, in the entire Zmax thread, you offered exactly zero in the way of support for your position. So how about it? Tell us what you've published lately (or ever).

 

[Trajan]

So you *did not* get it from a VW dealer.

 

[jayg]

This thread is awesome.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
So you *did not* get it from a VW dealer.

Please let Molakule ask his own questions.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: jayg
This thread is awesome.

Truly.

 

[Trajan]

http://www.militec1.com/mes14.html

Mr. Maurice LePera, head of Army fuel and lubes for the past 35 years, started this pattern of unethical behavior that continues to this day. There has been several IG investigations in to Le Pera's activities. We were recently informed that Le Pera is involved with the ZMAX engine additive Company. This company was recently fined over a million dollars by the FTC for fraudulent advertising. He has also been consulting for our Military.

LePera isn't someone to use for support of Zmax claims. Especially as they paid him.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Mr. Maurice LePera, head of Army fuel and lubes for the past 35 years, started this pattern of unethical behavior that continues to this day. There has been several IG investigations in to Le Pera's activities. We were recently informed that Le Pera is involved with the ZMAX engine additive Company. This company was recently fined over a million dollars by the FTC for fraudulent advertising. He has also been consulting for our Military.

Trajan:

You've published this "quote" on numerous occasions. Do you have a clue as to what it is about? It is taken out of context from a gripe message sent by a company called Miltec. They wanted somebody at Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) to purchase their company's small-arms lubricant. It is completely unclear that LePera had anything to do with that area, since he was in Tank and Automotive Command, but regardless.

If you had read just a bit further, it says "this product has not been approved for Army use... ". Well, dooh? The original quotation is ludicrous - some kind of weird guilt-by-association - and not likely to win any friends at DLA. But basically it is just some mouthy wannabe government contractor trying to force his unapproved product onto the Army. Three cheers to Mr. LePera for saying 'no' (and to anyone else along the way who said 'no').

And, Trajan, thank you for your service... entertaining us.

 

[Apollo14]

dave5358, when was the last time you went to Dow Corning's website and looked in the Molykote and automotive product sections?

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: Apollo14
dave5358, when was the last time you went to Dow Corning's website and looked in the Molykote and automotive product sections?

43 minutes ago. Why do you ask?

 

[Apollo14]

Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
dave5358, when was the last time you went to Dow Corning's website and looked in the Molykote and automotive product sections?

43 minutes ago. Why do you ask?


Can you provide a link to the fluid concentrate product?

Did you find it there?

Also, if there is a point you are trying to make in this thread, can you tell us what it is?

 

[Trajan]

Still waiting for him to name the VW dealer he bought this stuff from. It would have a VW part number.

 

[Koz1]

Are there mods here because this is getting ludicrous.
Whats the point of the sniping and bickering?
Bitog rocks and this exchange is beneath it.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Koz1
Are there mods here because this is getting ludicrous.
Whats the point of the sniping and bickering?
Bitog rocks and this exchange is beneath it.


Looks like another thread in need of a mercy lock............

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Koz1
Are there mods here because this is getting ludicrous.
Whats the point of the sniping and bickering?
Bitog rocks and this exchange is beneath it.


What we have here is a poster who has spouted half truths and outright falsehoods.
He has attacked and attempted to belittle an professional and highly respected poster in the field of tribology.
Now he is on the ropes a lock would just let this poster off the hook without any explanation of his claims.

People have been civil with him. Sorry if you don't like the thread no one is forcing you to follow it, just look at something else.

The question remains. Which dealer did he buy this from so we can all get some.
If he bought this then he should just say so but that wouldn't fit his agenda of trying to convince people that this is a VW endorsed product being sold today.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1097665

 

[Quest]

+1 with what Trav said.

This character is really a work d'art: vangeful attitude, vendictive, always want the last say and yet provides no meaninful technical feedback and can't carry a technical conversation without taking on an attack position.

Makes you wonder what or why he has 600+ posts so far and no factual postings on BITOG.

Downright pitiful, I'd say.

Q.

 

[Apollo14]

I don't even know what dave5358 is arguing about.

The Molykote brand today has over 400 application specific lubricants, most of which do not contain MoS2.

Dow Corning acquired Molykote in 1964, which at the time had introduced MoS2 lubricants to the world with a lot of success. After the acquisition, Dow begun to develop lubricants with other solid lubricants as a base. However, they continued to use the Molykote brand name from a marketing perspective, even though as of today, most products contain no MoS2.

Clearly, with their army of chemists, over the last few decades, Dow has been producing more and more specialty lubricants using more and more advanced ingredients and formulations. MoS2 clearly is not the be all and end all of lubrication technology.

You can't even find the Molykote MoS2 fluid concentrate on their website amongst scores of products they have developed for automotive use.

Even when you find anti friction coatings, you discover that they require special application methods, are not in suspension for addition to motor oil and don't contain MoS2.

The Molykote Fluid Concentrate which is MoS2 in mineral oil, was clearly a good option for VW Beetle's that required high temperature protection and perhaps filling in of surface imperfections. No doubt this could equally be applied to older vehicles hence there is a product by Liqui Moly that does the same and which is TUV approved. We know that there are many VW Beetles in Brazil and Dow Corning makes the product for sale in Brazil.

But that's it, MoS2 is no longer the be all and end all technology. Amongst 400+ Dow Corning lubricants, it is only used in a few of them. The armies of chemists around the world haven't missed something that only dave5358 can see. They've used it when it is appropriate and moved onto other better technologies for many other applications.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Quest
+1 with what Trav said.

This character is really a work d'art: vangeful attitude, vendictive, always want the last say and yet provides no meaninful technical feedback and can't carry a technical conversation without taking on an attack position.

Makes you wonder what or why he has 600+ posts so far and no factual postings on BITOG.

Downright pitiful, I'd say.

Q.


Good summation IMHO.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
dave5358, when was the last time you went to Dow Corning's website and looked in the Molykote and automotive product sections?

43 minutes ago. Why do you ask?

Can you provide a link to the fluid concentrate product? Did you find it there?

Dow Corning has long been out of the US retail additives market. They were in it only briefly with the Molykote Fluid Concentrate product - all other distribution was through Volkswagon. The current fluid concentrate product is Molykote M Gear Oil available through industrial supply houses. This information has been posted before in the forum. If you want it packaged in individual tubes, it's either VW or South America.

Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Also, if there is a point you are trying to make in this thread, can you tell us what it is?

My words speak for themselves.

Incidentally, I hope they do so without the mindless and pointless personal attacks that Molakule has so frequently engaged in on this forum. Clearly, we are not going to agree on the benefit of this or that additive. But to personally attack the character or reputation of persons doing research in the field or carrying out the role of government simply because this or that person disagrees with Molakule's bizarre view of things, is beyond the pale.

In this or previous Zmax threads, the personal attack list has included numerous users in the forum, the Federal Trade Commission, the Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Judge Bullock in North Carolina, Carroll Shelby, Fred Offenhauser, Harry Miller, Dr Richard Shalvoy, Maurice LePera, Arch Analytical Services and Brown University. The moderator, who is also an academic, should know better, but for whatever reasons seems to think these personal attacks are de rigueur.

It would be both interesting and appropriate to see what wisdom Molakule has contributed to the world of oil analysis, or maybe just to the world, other than adding confusion and continually sewing unsupported seeds of doubt. Don't hold you breath waiting for that information.