Hyundai 2.2 Turbo Diesel

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Hi all,

I just got my first diesel car, a 2015 Hyundai Santa Fe with 2.2L CRDi eVGT (Korean-spec). I know this engine isn't available in the U.S., but here in Korea they don't even sell the gasoline versions.

Anyways, the first oil change isn't called for until 20,000km, but I'll probably get one done next spring and continue annually, since I drive VERY short distances (3mi commute to work, heavy city traffic).

Engine oil is expensive in Korea, and the PX only has Mobile 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40. I also have 1gal of Rotella T6 that I was saving for my motorcycle, but 1gal wouldn't be enough for the 2.2L Diesel so I'd need to find more locally anyway.

Does anyone have any suggestions on engine oil? Is the Mobile 1 ok to use, or should I stick with whatever the Hyundai dealer provides (granted it would be 4x the price).

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
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Can't answer the question but why is the diesel engine being kept away from US consumers?

The torque even the passenger in your car feels... I would think anyone who drove or who were passengers in diesel cars would prefer the feeling over gasoline powered cars.

Even a smaller 1.4 liter diesel engine makes you feel you are in a rocket ship in the city.
 
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
Can't answer the question but why is the diesel engine being kept away from US consumers?



Just a guess, but I suspect that either the Hyundai diesel can't meet the US emissions standards or can't handle the ultra-low-sulfur diesel sold in the US.
 
My bet would be the EPA requirements are the issue. What does the manual say for oil vis? I would bet one of the xxw30 synthetic blend HDEO's would be great in that engine.
 
As long as the oil you put meet or exceed Hyundai requirement you can pretty much put anything in it .(the cheaper the better)you are likely to have better oil then us here in america given you don't have as many oops and turn to do to meet government requirement
 
Originally Posted By: HardbodyLoyalist
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
Can't answer the question but why is the diesel engine being kept away from US consumers?



Just a guess, but I suspect that either the Hyundai diesel can't meet the US emissions standards or can't handle the ultra-low-sulfur diesel sold in the US.


Ultra low sulfur diesel, whatever that is appeared outside the US at first, we are a late adopter. Emissions can not be the reason, I am sure they are thougher on emissions than the lukewarm EPA. It might be related to people's prejudice against diesels? School buses... Do not want to drive behind them. But that technology was Hitler era tech. Long gone and forgotten elsewhere.
 
Overseas everything is expensive, fuel, cars etc.

Diesel is 30% more efficient, when fuel costs $8.00 a gallon the 30% efficiency is more noticed. In europe nearly 50% of vehicles are diesel.

I would expect 90% of SUVs or "4x4" are diesel overseas, the usual 15 mpg gas SUV isn't accepted overseas.
 
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Originally Posted By: Fraser434
I would expect 90% of SUVs or "4x4" are diesel overseas, the usual 15 mpg gas SUV isn't accepted overseas.
As it shouldn't anywhere. Premium SUVs here used to be gasoline but the trend is going back to diesel as the engines just get better all the time.
 
This SUV has a DPF. You need an oil with low ash content like Mobil 1 ESP to avoid fouling the DPF. I do not think the Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck is suitable.
 
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This SUV has a DPF. You need an oil with low ash content like Mobil 1 ESP to avoid fouling the DPF. I do not think the Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck is suitable.


Most likely correct. To repeat a previous question, what does the owner's manual say for oil specs? ACEA C3 or Cx, x=1, 2,3 or 4? MB229.51? MB228.51? Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel is CJ4/MB228.31 and may have too much phosphorus for the (presumed) catalytic convertor/SCR (selective catalytic reduction). Does the car take urea fluid refills?

Charlie
 
Basically any oil with 229.51 and/or C3 rating will be fine.

The mobil 1 turbo diesel oil use at your own risk, but I'm using it in 2014 jeep diesel with all the emissions gear, it doesn't burn any oil so it won't affect the after treatment.
 
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California smog is the toughest test in the world. Many diesels have not entered the USA because of it. Other times, the DPF is frequently in regen mode, and that reduces MPG so much, that having a diesel is pointless. You can look at the Ford 6.4 PSD as an example of that. Many car companies also prefer to make one engine for all 50 states, so cars that meet EPA standards might not pass California smog.

API CJ-4 is okay with many manufacturers of onroad diesels with DPF and some light duty trucks,, but the SAPS content is too high for many manufacturer's passenger car engines. VW 507 oil has lower SAPS than most other oils, for example.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
California smog is the toughest test in the world. Many diesels have not entered the USA because of it. Other times, the DPF is frequently in regen mode, and that reduces MPG so much, that having a diesel is pointless. You can look at the Ford 6.4 PSD as an example of that. Many car companies also prefer to make one engine for all 50 states, so cars that meet EPA standards might not pass California smog.

API CJ-4 is okay with many manufacturers of onroad diesels with DPF and some light duty trucks,, but the SAPS content is too high for many manufacturer's passenger car engines. VW 507 oil has lower SAPS than most other oils, for example.


I do not know if it is, but even if it is they do not have to sell it in CA. Right?
 
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Originally Posted By: montr
This SUV has a DPF. You need an oil with low ash content like Mobil 1 ESP to avoid fouling the DPF. I do not think the Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck is suitable.


Most likely correct. To repeat a previous question, what does the owner's manual say for oil specs? ACEA C3 or Cx, x=1, 2,3 or 4? MB229.51? MB228.51? Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel is CJ4/MB228.31 and may have too much phosphorus for the (presumed) catalytic convertor/SCR (selective catalytic reduction). Does the car take urea fluid refills?

Charlie


Thank you all for the replies, and sorry about the late response. I was on vacation and out of the country for 2 weeks.

The owner's manual says ACEA C3 or C2. I am not sure that it uses urea fluid, I did not see anything about it in the manual. However, the manual is in Korean and I may have missed it. There was a section that translated into Diesel Exhaust Filter, which I assume is referring to DPF since it advises driving 60km/h+ for 25 minutes if the light comes on.

Diesel is also 20% cheaper than Gasoline in Korea, which is another reason people prefer diesels engines. I believe the AAFES fuel station on base gets their fuel from the Korean government and sells it tax free, which makes it close to U.S. prices. I think this because the regular gasoline is 92 octane, and premium is 98 octane. I am not sure what the diesel fuel is like compared to the states since the pump doesn't have any descriptions, but there are a few U.S. spec diesel vans fueling up here without problems.

The reason I cannot bring the car back with me is due to EPA regulations. Hyundai does not sell this diesel engine in the U.S., so they had no reason to get EPA certifications done. It's a simple piece of sticker, which would cost a few thousand through an approved importer if I go that route. I'm planning to do a few more overseas tours before returning to the states, so hopefully I'll have to car for almost 10 years before I have to sell it.

Thank you all for your time!


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Wikipedia does not mention urea fluid for this engine. It says "To achieve Euro 5 emission compliancy, the R is fitted with a close-coupled Diesel particulate filter plus highly efficient exhaust gas recirculation with by-pass valve."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_R_engine
 
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Yes, Mobil 1 TDT is an excellent oil.
I have used it a few times and they are very resilient oil.
I am not sure what is the requirement there for Hyundai, though.

I guess it depends more on the availability of oil there.

Until page 2, nobody's answer the questions?
 
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