Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: steveh
When are people going to realize Motormouth is a salesman feeding you biased information. It would be like asking a Ford,Chevy and a Dodge salesman who makes the best trucks. He only comes here to mooch off the free Fram advertising.
Motorking (Jay) is standing up for his company and not calling people names (unlike you, steveh). I may not agree with everything he says but personally I would like a factory rep from every manufacturer here, and not try to chase them off and accuse them of just trying to get free advertising.
Is he biased? I would be disappointed if he wasn't. Does that mean he's not factual? I don't think so. He's brought more facts to the table, and that's always a good thing.
Well said.
I used to be on the anti-Fram side of this too but I no longer fear the fiber.
I am more concerned with the amount of media or more specifically the number of pleats. Used TG elements typically look better than EG elements, ACDelco E-core elements typically look better than the cheapest E-core elements and so on. The cheapest filter elements tend to have less pleats and this seems to allow more room for pleats to move and tear, be it at the end cap or against the center tube(or cage). This is why I will use a TG but would prefer not to use an EG or any other makers bottom end filter.
As for the center tube discussion earlier in the thread, I have to agree that a gap there could permit bypass. The question is does the pressure of the spring create a seal against the end cap. As Z06 points out you can usually see an imprint in the end cap around the tube, if this is enough of a seal then the oil should not get to that gap between the center tube and end cap. Personally I don't feel that the metal on metal of the Wix element to removable bypass (or spacer on non-bypass models) is a perfect seal either. This however does not seem to bother most....maybe it would if it was done by Fram.
Originally Posted By: steveh
When are people going to realize Motormouth is a salesman feeding you biased information. It would be like asking a Ford,Chevy and a Dodge salesman who makes the best trucks. He only comes here to mooch off the free Fram advertising.
Motorking (Jay) is standing up for his company and not calling people names (unlike you, steveh). I may not agree with everything he says but personally I would like a factory rep from every manufacturer here, and not try to chase them off and accuse them of just trying to get free advertising.
Is he biased? I would be disappointed if he wasn't. Does that mean he's not factual? I don't think so. He's brought more facts to the table, and that's always a good thing.
Well said.
I used to be on the anti-Fram side of this too but I no longer fear the fiber.
I am more concerned with the amount of media or more specifically the number of pleats. Used TG elements typically look better than EG elements, ACDelco E-core elements typically look better than the cheapest E-core elements and so on. The cheapest filter elements tend to have less pleats and this seems to allow more room for pleats to move and tear, be it at the end cap or against the center tube(or cage). This is why I will use a TG but would prefer not to use an EG or any other makers bottom end filter.
As for the center tube discussion earlier in the thread, I have to agree that a gap there could permit bypass. The question is does the pressure of the spring create a seal against the end cap. As Z06 points out you can usually see an imprint in the end cap around the tube, if this is enough of a seal then the oil should not get to that gap between the center tube and end cap. Personally I don't feel that the metal on metal of the Wix element to removable bypass (or spacer on non-bypass models) is a perfect seal either. This however does not seem to bother most....maybe it would if it was done by Fram.
