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#3468976 - 08/30/14 01:32 AM Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff
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This is for my 2011 RX-8.

The only thing I know right now is that I do NOT want Red Line or Royal Purple.

I'd use a Mazda fluid, but from what I'm reading they only sell SAE 90 or 80w-90; 75w-90 is permitted but not sold by Mazda.

I was looking at Motul Gear 300, but I don't know whether I need a type made for hypoid gears.

Any suggestions?
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#3468977 - 08/30/14 01:38 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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#3468980 - 08/30/14 01:42 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Perfect. Thanks!

Is this what the Boss 302 uses?
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#3468984 - 08/30/14 01:52 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Not sure, my Torsen T2 calls for 75W140.
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#3468985 - 08/30/14 01:58 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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I think the 90W,80W90 is the Mazda spec for your car. I'd use one of the Mazda OEM fluids in either weight.
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#3468986 - 08/30/14 02:02 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Mobil1, Amsoil, Valvoline, Amalie, Eneos, Smittys, Castrol... ANY full synth GL5 75w90 !!!
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#3469010 - 08/30/14 05:16 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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I'm curious why you won't use Red Line? I run Red Line Lightweight Shockproof in my Miata's Torsen unit. Seems to work well enough. I probably wouldn't run Shockproof in a daily driver, but I'd run their GL-5 gear oil.

robert

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#3469069 - 08/30/14 08:24 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I think the 90W,80W90 is the Mazda spec for your car. I'd use one of the Mazda OEM fluids in either weight.

You are correct!

Here's the one thing that makes me hesitate: I live so close to the highway that there's almost no time for the diff fluid to warm up after a cold start. I'm not too worried about that in the summer, but winter is coming and I'd hate to be hitting the highway with stone cold diff fluid almost every day. I figure if 75w-90 GL-5 is still within Mazda's guidelines, that's probably a better call than 80w-90.
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#3469204 - 08/30/14 11:01 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: robertcope]
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Originally Posted By: robertcope
I'm curious why you won't use Red Line? I run Red Line Lightweight Shockproof in my Miata's Torsen unit. Seems to work well enough. I probably wouldn't run Shockproof in a daily driver, but I'd run their GL-5 gear oil.

robert

I ran Red Line transmission and diff fluids in my last car (E36 M3) and was underwhelmed. Friends of mine have had similar experiences with Red Line. We've seen them work okay-to-great at first but degrade quickly. In my car, I liked the equivalent Motul products better.

Plus, I was always weirded out by the fact that they and their retailers recommended 75w-90 for the E36 M3. The spec fluid for that car (Castrol SAF-XO) was originally labeled 75w-90, but that was before the viscosity scale was revised. Under the new scheme, it would have been labeled 75w-110, which means Red Line's 75w-90 fluids are a whole grade lower than the spec fluid. When I asked about this, all I ever got was the old "never had a problem" response.

More generally, I always prefer products that come from bigger companies and carry explicit manufacturer approvals.

I know a lot of people have had huge success with Red Line fluids, and I don't think my few experiences outweigh any of that. I just feel like there's no reason not to go with something I feel better about.
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#3469208 - 08/30/14 11:03 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
winter is coming and I'd hate to be hitting the highway with stone cold diff fluid almost every day.

To clarify, what I meant here is that I'd rather have a fluid with better cold properties if possible.
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#3469229 - 08/30/14 11:24 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d

More generally, I always prefer products that come from bigger companies and carry explicit manufacturer approvals.

I know a lot of people have had huge success with Red Line fluids, and I don't think my few experiences outweigh any of that. I just feel like there's no reason not to go with something I feel better about.


Fair enough. I actually feel the same way in a lot of cases. I wouldn't put their "generic" ATF in my Expedition that calls for Mercon LV even though they claim their fluid is compatible. I'm sure it would work okay, but there's no reason not to run the real deal. Their manual transmission and gear lubes have always worked well for me, though. I'll never fault anyone for wanting to run a fluid that is certified to the right spec!

Thanks for the honest answer.

robert

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#3469233 - 08/30/14 11:33 AM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: robertcope]
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cheers
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#3469384 - 08/30/14 02:43 PM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I think the 90W,80W90 is the Mazda spec for your car. I'd use one of the Mazda OEM fluids in either weight.

You are correct!

Here's the one thing that makes me hesitate: I live so close to the highway that there's almost no time for the diff fluid to warm up after a cold start. I'm not too worried about that in the summer, but winter is coming and I'd hate to be hitting the highway with stone cold diff fluid almost every day. I figure if 75w-90 GL-5 is still within Mazda's guidelines, that's probably a better call than 80w-90.


I'd stick with an 80W. I tried 75W90 M1 when I did my first rear diff change on my car (mine specs 80W90) and it whined really bad. Refilled with 80W90 and no more whine.
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#3469423 - 08/30/14 03:49 PM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
winter is coming and I'd hate to be hitting the highway with stone cold diff fluid almost every day.

To clarify, what I meant here is that I'd rather have a fluid with better cold properties if possible.


Look for one with a very high V.I., like yes, some of the Motul fluids. wink hide
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#3469427 - 08/30/14 03:53 PM Re: Need a 75w-90 GL-5 for a Torsen-type diff [Re: d00df00d]
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Warm or cold, as long as it is full synth, I wouldn't worry about cold highway run. M1 worked great in my Mazda diffs without noise.
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