who makes what oil
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MolaKule
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There is the formulating chemist, the blender, the distributor, and the retail sales outlet involved.
A company will employ a formulator/chemist to make the formulation.
After testing, that company may blend it themselves or have an outside blending company do it for them.
So the answer is, it is difficult to determine where the formulated oil originates, if that is your question.
A company will employ a formulator/chemist to make the formulation.
After testing, that company may blend it themselves or have an outside blending company do it for them.
So the answer is, it is difficult to determine where the formulated oil originates, if that is your question.
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I was thinking that oil was like oil filters in that a handful of manufacturers will rebrand their product for several other names. I just figured, for example, that Komatsu engine oil was actually shell or chevron in a different bottle. I noticed that the Cat brand oil started using the same style bottles that Mobile started using at about the same time, so I figured that Cat and Mobile oils were one in the same.
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Originally Posted By: smokey73
I was thinking that oil was like oil filters in that a handful of manufacturers will rebrand their product for several other names. I just figured, for example, that Komatsu engine oil was actually shell or chevron in a different bottle. I noticed that the Cat brand oil started using the same style bottles that Mobile started using at about the same time, so I figured that Cat and Mobile oils were one in the same.
There is actually a lot of formulating/blending companies that supply large amounts of privately labeled lubricants. Sometimes you can pinpoint it on the bottle type - but other times you cant.
However, Shell/Exxon/Etc. usually always still have a hand in it since they supply the base stocks. The difference can be where they are producing oils for as cheaply as possible for an extra buck or two - niche formulators/blenders will take their same base oils and add more additives or use higher concentrations of better bases than the big guys would.
I was thinking that oil was like oil filters in that a handful of manufacturers will rebrand their product for several other names. I just figured, for example, that Komatsu engine oil was actually shell or chevron in a different bottle. I noticed that the Cat brand oil started using the same style bottles that Mobile started using at about the same time, so I figured that Cat and Mobile oils were one in the same.
There is actually a lot of formulating/blending companies that supply large amounts of privately labeled lubricants. Sometimes you can pinpoint it on the bottle type - but other times you cant.
However, Shell/Exxon/Etc. usually always still have a hand in it since they supply the base stocks. The difference can be where they are producing oils for as cheaply as possible for an extra buck or two - niche formulators/blenders will take their same base oils and add more additives or use higher concentrations of better bases than the big guys would.
In addition to what has already been said, Shell/XOM/Etc also use these third party blenders to handle some of their products as well. In many cases it is easier to ship ingredients and containers separately and then have the third party blender to handle the blending and packaging. (meeting the required specs of course).
XOM actually has an entire certification system for evaluating and grading third party blenders.
XOM actually has an entire certification system for evaluating and grading third party blenders.
Originally Posted By: smokey73
I noticed that the Cat brand oil started using the same style bottles that Mobile started using at about the same time, so I figured that Cat and Mobile oils were one in the same.
That is possible, but it is also likely that they use the same bottle manufacturer - in many cases bottle manufacturers will take a high quality mold, make some minor alterations and then sell it to other blenders.
I noticed that the Cat brand oil started using the same style bottles that Mobile started using at about the same time, so I figured that Cat and Mobile oils were one in the same.
That is possible, but it is also likely that they use the same bottle manufacturer - in many cases bottle manufacturers will take a high quality mold, make some minor alterations and then sell it to other blenders.
I doubt Caterpillar would use an off-brand oil like Mobile.
Originally Posted By: smokey73
I noticed that the Cat brand oil started using the same style bottles that Mobile started using at about the same time, so I figured that Cat and Mobile oils were one in the same.
Originally Posted By: smokey73
I noticed that the Cat brand oil started using the same style bottles that Mobile started using at about the same time, so I figured that Cat and Mobile oils were one in the same.
I would never buy oil from ExxonMobile either
Originally Posted By: yucca
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I doubt Caterpillar would use an off-brand oil like Mobile.
Exxonmobile has been supplying private label lubricants for CAT since 1987.
Originally Posted By: yucca
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I doubt Caterpillar would use an off-brand oil like Mobile.
Exxonmobile has been supplying private label lubricants for CAT since 1987.
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Originally Posted By: yucca
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I doubt Caterpillar would use an off-brand oil like Mobile.
Exxonmobile has been supplying private label lubricants for CAT since 1987.
I cannot disclose who supplies lubricants to CAT - but I know that it is NOT Exxonmobile.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I doubt Caterpillar would use an off-brand oil like Mobile.
Exxonmobile has been supplying private label lubricants for CAT since 1987.
I cannot disclose who supplies lubricants to CAT - but I know that it is NOT Exxonmobile.
Many times if you run an MSDS sheet on the product, the OE supplier will be listed.
I'm willing to bet the farm that it is not.
Originally Posted By: camelCase
Originally Posted By: yucca
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I doubt Caterpillar would use an off-brand oil like Mobile.
Exxonmobile has been supplying private label lubricants for CAT since 1987.
I cannot disclose who supplies lubricants to CAT - but I know that it is NOT Exxonmobile.
Originally Posted By: camelCase
Originally Posted By: yucca
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I doubt Caterpillar would use an off-brand oil like Mobile.
Exxonmobile has been supplying private label lubricants for CAT since 1987.
I cannot disclose who supplies lubricants to CAT - but I know that it is NOT Exxonmobile.
MolaKule
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In the past, Chevron and or ConocoPhilips have supplied oil to CAT.
Don't know who supplies it today.
Don't know who supplies it today.
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
I would never buy oil from ExxonMobile either
If the ExxonMobile has a markup as high as a typical ice cream truck, I can see where you're coming from. I think if one started coming around I would have to buy something from it once just for the novelty of it.
I would never buy oil from ExxonMobile either
If the ExxonMobile has a markup as high as a typical ice cream truck, I can see where you're coming from. I think if one started coming around I would have to buy something from it once just for the novelty of it.
Does this link work for you? I only searched DEO. You can search TDTO and Hyd on your own if you need to. Pretty simple.
http://catmsds.cat.com/MSDSSearch/servle...sDisplayServlet
http://catmsds.cat.com/MSDSSearch/servle...sDisplayServlet
Exactly.
The ExxonMobilMobile. I wonder what kind of music it would play?
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I would never buy oil from ExxonMobile either
If the ExxonMobile has a markup as high as a typical ice cream truck, I can see where you're coming from. I think if one started coming around I would have to buy something from it once just for the novelty of it.
The ExxonMobilMobile. I wonder what kind of music it would play?
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I would never buy oil from ExxonMobile either
If the ExxonMobile has a markup as high as a typical ice cream truck, I can see where you're coming from. I think if one started coming around I would have to buy something from it once just for the novelty of it.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
In the past, Chevron and or ConocoPhilips have supplied oil to CAT.
Don't know who supplies it today.
http://catmsds.cat.com/
Just typ "Cat" and all the secrets are revealed.
In the past, Chevron and or ConocoPhilips have supplied oil to CAT.
Don't know who supplies it today.
http://catmsds.cat.com/
Just typ "Cat" and all the secrets are revealed.
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Why would it matter? If some oil makers state that oils can be used in Komatsu, Cat, Cummins, Detroit, Hino, etc, shouldn't it be enough? It doesn't say in manuals, usually, that only certain brand can be used. Unless, ofcourse, that brand paid them to do it.
http://www.wd-wpp.com/
they blend A LOT of oils.
walmarts Super tech, traveler, autozone, napa, most house brands are mixed here. along with several other "name" branded ones.
they blend A LOT of oils.
walmarts Super tech, traveler, autozone, napa, most house brands are mixed here. along with several other "name" branded ones.
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