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#3466164 - 08/27/14 10:07 AM 15w50 and ambient temperature
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
Posts: 203
Loc: Gold Coast, QL, Australia
What temperature would a 15w oil start to become dangerously thick?
In another thread i told about taking the plunge from 10w30 to 15w50 to see what effects it has and to see if it fixes a few issues
My question is, would i be able to use it year round? Where i live it only gets to about freezing point a couple of times in a winter and hardly ever much below. I sometimes take roadtrips to the snow where it can get much colder

Would i need to change to 10w40 or would 15w50 still be okay?
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#3466171 - 08/27/14 10:12 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
rfeir Offline


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15W is too thick at startup for most applications in even just moderately cool weather. Slow to pump at startup. This can increase motor wear.

A 0W or a 5W is usually a better choice.
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#3466180 - 08/27/14 10:19 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
jrustles Offline


Registered: 02/24/13
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: 19jacobob93

Would i need to change to 10w40 or would 15w50 still be okay?
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One has two options in this case:

a) freak out about it being too thick due to an unproportional disparity between casual imagination and reality

b) observe the CCS/MRV viscosities and borderline pumping temperature
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#3466183 - 08/27/14 10:22 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: rfeir]
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
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Loc: Gold Coast, QL, Australia
I would like to try 5 or 10w50 but they are very expensive
Im thinking maybe run the 15 through summer as it never drops below 20-25c at night (think florida type weather)
If i start to get any noises or adverse effects as we head back into winter ill probably change back to thinner
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#3466184 - 08/27/14 10:24 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
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I'll take a sample in a couple of bottles and put one in the fridge (@4c) and one in the freezer! (@-18c)
That might give me a rough idea of winter visc, and a worse case scenario :p
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#3466193 - 08/27/14 10:29 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Is this for your falcon? What does the owner's manual recommend?
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#3466199 - 08/27/14 10:37 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: Quattro Pete]
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
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Loc: Gold Coast, QL, Australia
Yep!
The manual recommends 10w30 and this is also written on the filler cap but its a very old debate.
In the 1994-1998 model, the one before mine they recommended 15w40 and this had the exact same engine only with a different head gasket and altered ecu.
When the new model was introduced in 1998 they recommended 5w30 as the movement towards thin started, but quickly taxi companies were finding premature engine wear and lifter failure, so Ford issued a statement telling people to change back to 10w30 or 15w40 and this completely stopped the problem

Just seems like these engines hate thin oil, as they were a bit long in the tooth at the time being designed for 15w40 a decade earlier

Mine has always had thicker oil in but i switched to 10w30 last year because thats what it recommends, but all of a sudden all of my lifters are shot!
Cant be a coincidence so back to thick i will go frown
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#3466201 - 08/27/14 10:38 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
A_Harman Offline


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15W oils get their low temperature ratings at -25C for MRV and -20C for CCS. You'll be fine at 0C, and even -10C.
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#3466203 - 08/27/14 10:39 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
Quattro Pete Offline


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I'd find a 5w-40 oil and use that all year long.
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#3466205 - 08/27/14 10:41 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
bigt61 Offline


Registered: 02/12/13
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Loc: Virginia
I've used 15W-50 M1 down to about 20F in my big block Suburban w no issues. It always flowed fast for me, I just let it warm up a few minutes before putting it in gear. It definitely flows faster than 20W-50 dino which I've seen people use year round for hundreds of thousands of miles in my area - N Virginia. If you routinely get below 20F, I'd probably use a 0W-40.
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#3466215 - 08/27/14 10:47 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: bigt61]
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
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Loc: Gold Coast, QL, Australia
Originally Posted By: bigt61
I've used 15W-50 M1 down to about 20F in my big block Suburban w no issues. It always flowed fast for me, I just let it warm up a few minutes before putting it in gear. It definitely flows faster than 20W-50 dino which I've seen people use year round for hundreds of thousands of miles in my area - N Virginia. If you routinely get below 20F, I'd probably use a 0W-40.


Okay that's comforting news i guess! Tried 20w50 once and it knocked like a Jehova's witness in the mornings so i dropped it straight out.
My dad used 40w70 (please don't kill him) in a mitsubishi v6 before and it ran perfect haha
Yeah won't be getting that cold very often! Maybe once every 2 years if ever so i'm excited to try 15w50 now smile
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#3466218 - 08/27/14 10:50 AM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: bigt61]
19jacobob93 Offline


Registered: 02/12/14
Posts: 203
Loc: Gold Coast, QL, Australia
Also just seen you have a 92 Suburban with a 7.4 and only 57k.
I want it.
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#3466389 - 08/27/14 01:42 PM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
aquariuscsm Offline


Registered: 12/30/06
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Loc: South Texas,USA
Run the 15W50 year round,you'll be fine. I started my car on a -2F degree morning (car was even sitting outside ungaraged all night) with Valvoline dino 20W50 in it,and she started right up as soon as I turned the key and purred to life. My car actually specs thicker oils and warns against using thinner oils.
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#3466420 - 08/27/14 02:19 PM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
rfeir Offline


Registered: 07/13/11
Posts: 160
Loc: NY
A 0W-40 is not a thinner oil. At running temps it is a true 40. Only during cold startups is it a 0W and that is not too thin even in Florida. It pumps a lot faster which is a good thing, really. Same goes for a 5W.

Remember the W rating is not the same as the running temperature rating. A common misconception. A 0W at its rated temp is actually thicker than a 40 weight oil at its rated temperature. Different rating scales.
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#3466572 - 08/27/14 04:53 PM Re: 15w50 and ambient temperature [Re: 19jacobob93]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 9279
Loc: OH
According to the OM of my old BMW, a 15W-50 is fine down to
-20C, which is about -4F.
I doubt that you see that kind of cold where you live.
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