2001 LR Discovery Rehab Plan

[bigjl]

Originally Posted By: typ901
Regardless of improvements it is a GM (Buick) designed engine.The joke is that GM produced more in 3 years than Rover did in 35. A lot of the improvement (emissions & performance) was done while BMW was running the shop.

The AJ-v8 that replaced is a huge improvement.


You are so far wrong on that score its funny.

Do you have any idea the number of vehicles that were made in the UK that had that engine fitted in the various forms?

I doubt it.

But a selection are Rover 3500, Rover SD1, Land Rover Defender, Land Rover Discovery, Range Rover and the LDV400 van and chassis cab and the LDV Convoy van and chassis cab.

Feel free to live on in your little USA in King bubble.

One of the first things BMW did was put their engines in the Range Rover, first a diesel then a few years after that petrol.

 

[typ901]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: typ901
Regardless of improvements it is a GM (Buick) designed engine.The joke is that GM produced more in 3 years than Rover did in 35. A lot of the improvement (emissions & performance) was done while BMW was running the shop.

The AJ-v8 that replaced is a huge improvement.


You are so far wrong on that score its funny.

Do you have any idea the number of vehicles that were made in the UK that had that engine fitted in the various forms?

I doubt it.

But a selection are Rover 3500, Rover SD1, Land Rover Defender, Land Rover Discovery, Range Rover and the LDV400 van and chassis cab and the LDV Convoy van and chassis cab.

Feel free to live on in your little USA in King bubble.

One of the first things BMW did was put their engines in the Range Rover, first a diesel then a few years after that petrol.


Actually odd that you mention size and you live in a much smaller country or island if you will. I always enjoy the sensitivity of you Brits when someone brings reality into a situation for things such as your adopted v8. No need for half witted snarky attacks at me being from the United States, I didn't have a choice in the matter as I was born here and love it, I've visited the UK and practically all of Western Europe and enjoyed it but find it odd that you Brits don't understand that not all Americans are the same, we come with varying views. I owned 2 Landies with the Buick/Rover v8 and couldn't care less how many were produced. They weren't that great...very expensive to rebuild for us, and mediocre power. If I still had my 95 RRC it would have a proper Chevrolet LS series in it.

You go on being sensitive and iIl continue on being proud.

 

[bigjl]

You really are quite arrogant.

You think an engine fitted to a tiny number of vehicles in the early 60s, only 1 or 2 years of production from my limited research.

Do you really think that added up to more than 40 yrs of continuous production?

In fact they are still produced in very small numbers now.

I think the correct word to use for your opinion would be "deluded".

Unless of course you have the exact number of the engines fitted.

Pity GM tried to buy back the rights to the engine at a later stage and were told to crack on.

 

[typ901]

My arrogance merelymatches yours. I owned two Land Rovers with the engine and it was underpowered and had cooling problems due to blown head gasket and cylinder liner problems so your much improved design was half witted per typical Land Rover build quality. Yep GM tried to buy it back years ago, more history lessons? That was back in the 1970's! Again the engine is not that great, it comes up short but you islanders have a limited choice when it comes to petrol v8's sourced from your own country. Also you claim your own products are so much better than everything else which they aren't. You have a limited production Buick v8 and we have GM LS Series which is far superior and cheaper for us. Any v8 that produces 190-225hp and requires premium fuel (98UK OCTANE) 93 US while returning 13mpg US average is a joke.

Deluted.? No I owned Landies with these engines, you keep quoting continuous production as a high point- it's Repco, they have the license to produce them. In small quantities And they are to replace the old worn out ones and for guys who put them in little English sports cars. It's a design from the 50's, and if it is so great then you should change over your fleet to some of those quality Rovers from the BL era. Have you ever owned anything with a Rover v8 or are you reading a slanted history book while waving the union jack. Since you enjoy mentioning production rates, see how many were produced, it's your bloody country, do some research to prove me wrong...

Buick produced 376,799 cars with this engine in just three years.

 

[bigjl]

Wow.

A whole 376799 vehicles.

You sure they all had the 215?

And actually.

Yes. I have a decade of driving Rover V8 engined vehicles.

3.5 with carbs as fitted to the LDV400 and LDV Convoy Ambulances which served London for the best part of 20yrs.

Engine failure was extremely rare as was head gasket failure there were a few cases of camshaft wear as was sometimes the case.

I don't know why you think less than 376799 Rover V8 lumps were made.

Are you aware of how many different capacities it was made in?

You seem so aggressive.

And more than a little bitter.

Little English sports cars?

What like the TVR?

You are correct it isn't thebmost powerful V8 in 3.5 spec with Carbs.

The ones in the LDV 400/Convoy were restricted to 150bhp with restictors under the carb and also in the exhaust.

They would produce more when deresticted.

Though power outputs are not relevant.

BHP per tonne is a much better indicator or performance.

But you would know that as you seem to think you known everything else

But the website i suspect you have gleaned your info (wedgeshop.com) is not that accurate.

The 3.5 capacity engine was still being produced in 2001.

How do i know?

Because the last V8 LDV Ambulances we had were made in 2001.

The Rover SD1 stopped being made many years before that.

 

[bigjl]

A better resource would be RPi Engineering.

The foremost Rover V8 specialist in the South East.

 

[typ901]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
A better resource would be RPi Engineering.

The foremost Rover V8 specialist in the South East.



http://www.aluminumv8.com/tech/tech.htm

He's a local source. RPI did not have a good rep when I had my first Rover in 2003.

200hp into 4800lbs is not a powerful ride. 95 RRC LWB. Recall also our climate is more extreme than yours typically so cooling issues are more prevalent.

I don't agree with your logic how a long production run indicates its a good engine. Land Rover has had 6 different owners in my lifetime alone. Had they invested in proper development then things would have turned out much smoother for them years ago. How many years did it take to get an automatic transmission and 4 doors on the Range Rover. Also the real bonehead move was moving out of the largest single car market for merely 14 years! Also the RRC survived for 25 years, and then became the Discovery up until 2004.

Bitter! [censored] yes as I told the boys at Solihull " if I was a smart man I would have bought a Toyota." Do you know how much more money it costs to maintain a Landies versus a Toyota or Jeep. I should have listen to my father who survived Lotus ownership in the 1970's...don't do it.

Please don't site TVR for anything, their lack of quality and sketchy ownership speaks for itself and is not something I'd point out as a source of pride.

 

[05LGTLtd]

Well, today didn't go as planned. Heads went back on this week. Today rockers and pushrods in place, went to check for oil pressure, and not good. Tried to prime the pump through the oil filter outlet. Could get oil in with pressure, but it wasn't coming out the oil filter housing as it should. Was really hoping to get the intake/valve covers backin place today.

Serious set back. Looks like the pan and front cover need to come back off. Not a happy camper. We loaded the pump with oil prior to setting the from cover. Cranked today, not getting oil up to rockers. Then pulled filter and tried to prime via the filter mount. Still nothing. When we pull the plug above the oil pressure switch, oil does come out upon cranking. Not a lot, but some. Not sure what I've f'd up here but not how I wanted the day to go...

Hopefully something will turn up with research... Don't want to buy a new front cover or oil pump. Didn't have oil pressure problems prior, so something got off kilter apparently.

 

[bimmerdriver]

I've never been inside one of these engines, but for other north American v8 engines, the oil pump is typically driven off the distributor shaft and you can prime them with a drill. That may be possible for your engine. If you can't get oil pressure that way, then likely there is a problem with the oil pickup.

 

[05LGTLtd]

Originally Posted By: bimmerdriver
I've never been inside one of these engines, but for other north American v8 engines, the oil pump is typically driven off the distributor shaft and you can prime them with a drill. That may be possible for your engine. If you can't get oil pressure that way, then likely there is a problem with the oil pickup.


No distributor on the Bosch engine. Pick up is a possibility, or bypass/relief valve looks like an other possibility. Thanks.

 

[05LGTLtd]

Two steps back, and one forward. Some how the rockers got mixed up in process. Now that's straightened out, the oil is getting up to the top of the heads. Hopefully I can keep things straight for here on out. Real head scratcher how it happened. Should have coded the rocker assemblies with colored zip ties to begin with. Luckily, going back and reading the rave manual a second and third time got me to check the placement...

 

[bigjl]

Originally Posted By: typ901
Originally Posted By: bigjl
A better resource would be RPi Engineering.

The foremost Rover V8 specialist in the South East.



http://www.aluminumv8.com/tech/tech.htm

He's a local source. RPI did not have a good rep when I had my first Rover in 2003.

200hp into 4800lbs is not a powerful ride. 95 RRC LWB. Recall also our climate is more extreme than yours typically so cooling issues are more prevalent.

I don't agree with your logic how a long production run indicates its a good engine. Land Rover has had 6 different owners in my lifetime alone. Had they invested in proper development then things would have turned out much smoother for them years ago. How many years did it take to get an automatic transmission and 4 doors on the Range Rover. Also the real bonehead move was moving out of the largest single car market for merely 14 years! Also the RRC survived for 25 years, and then became the Discovery up until 2004.

Bitter! [censored] yes as I told the boys at Solihull " if I was a smart man I would have bought a Toyota." Do you know how much more money it costs to maintain a Landies versus a Toyota or Jeep. I should have listen to my father who survived Lotus ownership in the 1970's...don't do it.

Please don't site TVR for anything, their lack of quality and sketchy ownership speaks for itself and is not something I'd point out as a source of pride.


Why do you keep producing american sites as your source of info?

Interesting thay both the web pages you linked to both say the same thing.

GM didn't have the ability to make the engine properly.

I think you may have some issues that probably are outside the remit of a forum such as this.

I think you need to realise that the entire world does not revolve around the US.

And whontold you that rubbish about RPi?

The same person that told you Repco was based in the UK?

 

[bigjl]

Have you decided on what oil you are going to run in it after the initial period of cleaning?

 

[typ901]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: typ901
Originally Posted By: bigjl
A better resource would be RPi Engineering.

The foremost Rover V8 specialist in the South East.



http://www.aluminumv8.com/tech/tech.htm

He's a local source. RPI did not have a good rep when I had my first Rover in 2003.

200hp into 4800lbs is not a powerful ride. 95 RRC LWB. Recall also our climate is more extreme than yours typically so cooling issues are more prevalent.

I don't agree with your logic how a long production run indicates its a good engine. Land Rover has had 6 different owners in my lifetime alone. Had they invested in proper development then things would have turned out much smoother for them years ago. How many years did it take to get an automatic transmission and 4 doors on the Range Rover. Also the real bonehead move was moving out of the largest single car market for merely 14 years! Also the RRC survived for 25 years, and then became the Discovery up until 2004.

Bitter! [censored] yes as I told the boys at Solihull " if I was a smart man I would have bought a Toyota." Do you know how much more money it costs to maintain a Landies versus a Toyota or Jeep. I should have listen to my father who survived Lotus ownership in the 1970's...don't do it.

Please don't site TVR for anything, their lack of quality and sketchy ownership speaks for itself and is not something I'd point out as a source of pride.


Why do you keep producing american sites as your source of info?

Interesting thay both the web pages you linked to both say the same thing.

GM didn't have the ability to make the engine properly.

I think you may have some issues that probably are outside the remit of a forum such as this.

I think you need to realise that the entire world does not revolve around the US.

And whontold you that rubbish about RPi?

The same person that told you Repco was based in the UK?



Cut out the kitchen psychology of what my problems are and focus on the topic. I'll give you some knowledge here, when people attack a person it is because they are trying to distract from the point that they can't argue as all of their points are opinions. You ignored all of the facts and figures I presented and keep focusing on my location and not offering anything solid as a rebuttal other than insults about mental health.

In short yes America matters as we are in a tie with China for top market share for JLR. You go ahead and keep up the insults and I never stated Repco is in the UK. They are in Australia, another colony you guys lost. I'm going to take my mentally deficient [censored] to bed while laughing at you and chanting USA USA USA.

Oh almost forgot.... Do you know why the sun never sets on the English empire? It's because god doesn't trust the English in the dark!

 

[05LGTLtd]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
Have you decided on what oil you are going to run in it after the initial period of cleaning?


Probably a HDEO in 5w-40 or 10w-30. Rotella, Delo or such. If I can get buy on a 30wt, T5 is looking decent. We will see what specials come up. I've got Delvac 15w040 to go in after the supertech. Will run that a few months till it gets colder here.

 

[05LGTLtd]

Back in the shop this afternoon. Wish us luck/God's speed...

 

[bimmerdriver]

Originally Posted By: 05LGTLtd
Back in the shop this afternoon. Wish us luck/God's speed...

Any news?

 

[05LGTLtd]

Lower intake is on! Upper intake in place. Need to get a few small bolts for the coil pack bracket. Those seem to have gone AWOL. New wires/plugs are in place. Valve covers back on. Fuel rail hooked up and injectors all seated. It's starting to look like an engine again...

Today is cookout/family, but hopefully tomorrow she will roar to life.

 

[05LGTLtd]

"It's A-liive!"

Idled for a while at temp and drained Supertech. Changed filter and filled with delvac. Have a new radiator in route. Need to re-route a few things to neaten up. Runs nice. Good day...

 

[bimmerdriver]

Originally Posted By: 05LGTLtd
"It's A-liive!"

Idled for a while at temp and drained Supertech. Changed filter and filled with delvac. Have a new radiator in route. Need to re-route a few things to neaten up. Runs nice. Good day...

Congrats! Please post some pics.