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#3449965 - 08/08/14 04:37 PM 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k
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Attached is my first used oil analysis, and of course, something isn't right. It appears that I have more copper than normal? Blackstone says that the brass/bronze parts left more metals behind. Here are the results:

2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7L V8

Code:
OIL             Motorcraft 5w20 + Marvel Mystery oil
MILES IN USE    3k    
MILES           84k 
SAMPLE TAKEN    8/1/14 

                         UNV AVG

ALUMINUM        2        4        
CHROMIUM        0        1        
IRON            3        17      
COPPER          7        3       
LEAD            0        1      
TIN             0        1        
MOLYBDENUM      15       76       
NICKEL          1        1        
MANGANESE       0        0        
SILVER          0        0        
TITANIUM        0        1        
POTASSIUM       1        2      
BORON          49        42       
SILICON         3        9        
SODIUM         25        57      
CALCIUM        1786      2156     
MAGNESIUM      14        159      
PHOSPHORUS     738       724    
ZINC           669       864     
BARIUM          0        1

TBN:  3.7


When taking the sample, I didnt send enough. You have to send the WHOLE bottle not just HALF crazy So no fuel results this time...

How do these results look to you guys?




Edited by Bill in Utah (08/09/14 12:22 AM)
Edit Reason: Changed subject to be more useful in search + fixed tables
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#3449970 - 08/08/14 04:40 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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7ppm instead of 3ppm hardly seems like a cause for concern, IMO.
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#3449978 - 08/08/14 04:53 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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5-20 is pretty thin to start with. MMO makes it even thinner.
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#3449981 - 08/08/14 04:55 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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A thin 5w20 + MMO in a heavy V8 truck? I have to admit that you have some bolls!
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#3449983 - 08/08/14 04:58 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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If you want to use MMO, start with Motorcraft 5w30, since MMO is a very very light oil.

I don't see any wear problems in the oil, although 3,000 miles is a pretty short invterval for that oil in that engine.
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#3449985 - 08/08/14 05:04 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Originally Posted By: jk_636

It appears that I have more copper than normal? Blackstone says that the brass/bronze parts left more metals behind.

Did Blackstone specifically note it as a concern or just something to monitor?
I admit I have not studied Dave Newton's article in depth, but I don't see a major issue on one set of data points. With respect to running a 20 weight, what does your OM recommend? What is your objective in adding MMO?
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis-how-to-decide-what-is-normal/
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#3450000 - 08/08/14 05:20 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Originally Posted By: jk
+ Marvel Mystery oil

BTW, some insights on MMO here.

Kevin


Edited by Bill in Utah (08/09/14 12:23 AM)
Edit Reason: fixed link due to formatting
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#3450013 - 08/08/14 05:33 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: ag_ghost]
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Originally Posted By: ag_ghost
Originally Posted By: jk
+ Marvel Mystery oil

BTW, some insights on MMO here:

Kevin


Yep. You don't need MMO in a 2006 4.7. Just a good synthetic Xw20 as specified in the owner's manual. 4.7s develop a boatload of oil pressure on 20-weights. They know what they are doing when they recommend 5w20 in the manual.

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#3450030 - 08/08/14 06:02 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Does your uoa have the viscosity listed?
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#3450037 - 08/08/14 06:10 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: 440Magnum]
jk_636 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Rosetta
A thin 5w20 + MMO in a heavy V8 truck? I have to admit that you have some bolls!


It is just a daily driver that is never rode hard and only carries air in the bed. I think that I have pulled a friends boat twice with it.

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
If you want to use MMO, start with Motorcraft 5w30, since MMO is a very very light oil.

I don't see any wear problems in the oil, although 3,000 miles is a pretty short invterval for that oil in that engine.

I have always run 3k mile oil changes. Now that I have been studying the vast amount of information here, I am looking into extended my OCI.

Originally Posted By: ag_ghost
Originally Posted By: jk_636

It appears that I have more copper than normal? Blackstone says that the brass/bronze parts left more metals behind.

Did Blackstone specifically note it as a concern or just something to monitor?
I admit I have not studied Dave Newton's article in depth, but I don't see a major issue on one set of data points. With respect to running a 20 weight, what does your OM recommend? What is your objective in adding MMO?
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis-how-to-decide-what-is-normal/
Kevin


I have always used Marvel (with good results) in my engine and gasoline. My manual calls for 5-30 but I bounce back and forth experimenting with 5-20 and 5-30. I cant say I have ever used one exclusively over another. Blackstone just said to monitor it with future analysis.

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: ag_ghost
Originally Posted By: jk
+ Marvel Mystery oil

BTW, some insights on MMO here:

Kevin


Yep. You don't need MMO in a 2006 4.7. Just a good synthetic Xw20 as specified in the owner's manual. 4.7s develop a boatload of oil pressure on 20-weights. They know what they are doing when they recommend 5w20 in the manual.



As previously mentioned the manual wants 5-30 but I bounce around with 5-20 and 5-30. You are right, it does build an amazing amount of pressure with 20 weight though! Once I finish this final run of Mobil 5000 I plan on switching to Mobil 1 and a good synthetic media filter.

As far as the Marvel goes, I will keep using it in my vehicle due to the good results I have had with it in the past. I wasn't trying to make this a Marvel good, marvel bad discussion though, its just what I use and works for me.

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#3450043 - 08/08/14 06:14 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: aquariuscsm]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 383
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Does your uoa have the viscosity listed?


SUS Viscosity @ 210F: 51.4 (should be 48-58)
cSt Viscosity @ 100C: 7.69 (should be 6.7-9.9)

Thanks for all the responses so far!
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#3450063 - 08/08/14 06:41 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Loc: upstate NY
Truck Specs 30 but your running 20 with MMO, why?
Have a pickup for daily driver? Towed with twice & air in bed?
So you going to keep using MMO because good results, what's that mean?
At 3k miles copper double avg. what's avg mileage based off of?
For extending oci use a 30 grade, keep MMO in gas tank if you can't stop yourself from using.

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#3450066 - 08/08/14 06:44 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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This looks like a pretty clean UOA.
You might be better served with 5W-30 and I'd skip the MMO.
JMHO
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#3450108 - 08/08/14 07:22 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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What do you mean when you say that you have had good results with MMO?

Why are you thinning out an already thin oil with it? What are you trying to do to the Motorcraft by adding it? It's thinning out the oil and further diluting the addatives, but what specific benefit are you looking for?
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#3450114 - 08/08/14 07:28 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
Donald Offline


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You cannot just flat compare the univ avg vs your number. The univ avg they provide is for xxxx miles. They normally tell you.

You need to do some math and figure out the PPM per 1K miles and then compare.

You did the UOA at 3K miles, pretty low mileage for a UOA.

Copper is never good in the oil and unless you have an oil cooler, something is wearing a little. But without lead being elevated, its only something to keep your eye on, not worry.

Forget the MMO.
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#3450123 - 08/08/14 07:35 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: Donald]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
Posts: 383
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Donald


Copper is never good in the oil and unless you have an oil cooler, something is wearing a little.



I do have an oil cooler. I never thought about that being the culprit. It looks like only time will tell. The next few UOA should be more helpful
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#3450180 - 08/08/14 08:52 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Hello jk and welcome to the land of many opinions. Most of them have some merit.

My 2cents is that you follow your manual and use a good quality 5w30 and leave out the MMO. There is a recent thread by Molecule in which he had his grad students determine what is in the oil. You should read it.

The MMO will not do anything to that high quality 5w30 that is really beneficial to the engine. So you really do not need it. Save that money and spend it on some good beer instead. Much more satisfying.

And as far as used oil analysis goes, my opinion is to save your money on that, spend it on a high quality, not meaning necessarily expensive, oil and change it according to your owner manual.

There you got it another opinion and enjoy the different opinnions and the readings here. The key point is that you learn, maybe alter, and have good long engine life.

And by the way. Read some of the Petroleum Quality Institute of America analyses. Always a good read.

Have a nice engine.

Bob
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#3450365 - 08/09/14 07:58 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: Donald


Copper is never good in the oil and unless you have an oil cooler, something is wearing a little.



I do have an oil cooler. I never thought about that being the culprit. It looks like only time will tell. The next few UOA should be more helpful


You need a few to do any trending analysis, one by itself really means little.

Copper is present in many newer engines due to assembly lubes, sealers, etc., not just oil coolers. But in our fleet the oil cooler is done shedding any copper by 80k miles for sure...
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#3450625 - 08/09/14 02:14 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.
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#3450680 - 08/09/14 03:15 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: cptbarkey]
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Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.


I guess im not familiar with these engines "self destructing." The magnum engine has been around for years, and aside from being slightly underpowered has always been very reliable...
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#3451293 - 08/10/14 09:45 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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I run 5w30 in my 127k-mile '01 Durango's 4.7, no additives. Seems to work good, have only owned it since Jan though. Had a Fram filter when I got it, which I changed to a Microgard asap because I've never been a Fram guy. Only thing I noticed is that with using a Microgard filter, the timing chains rattle a few seconds longer on start-up than they did, so I'll be switching to a Wix next time as they are supposed to have much better anti-drainback valves. On start-up you can see the gauge come up to a 1/4 gauge, hover a few seconds, then go to 3/4 gauge almost. Once warm it has a half gauge of oil pressure at idle and 3/4 as soon as you touch the gas. A tech at the dealer said 5w30 was a good weight for it.

Although I know need to do the proper fix of replace the chains and tensioners asap. Just expensive to buy for this engine.

I have been using O'reilly brand full synthetic, been considering switching it over to Pennz Platinum, but after a little reading on here, kinda considering a good HM oil instead?


Edited by ForceFedMopar (08/10/14 09:48 AM)

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#3451537 - 08/10/14 02:07 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: ForceFedMopar]
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Originally Posted By: ForceFedMopar
I run 5w30 in my 127k-mile '01 Durango's 4.7, no additives. Seems to work good, have only owned it since Jan though. Had a Fram filter when I got it, which I changed to a Microgard asap because I've never been a Fram guy. Only thing I noticed is that with using a Microgard filter, the timing chains rattle a few seconds longer on start-up than they did, so I'll be switching to a Wix next time as they are supposed to have much better anti-drainback valves. On start-up you can see the gauge come up to a 1/4 gauge, hover a few seconds, then go to 3/4 gauge almost. Once warm it has a half gauge of oil pressure at idle and 3/4 as soon as you touch the gas. A tech at the dealer said 5w30 was a good weight for it.

Although I know need to do the proper fix of replace the chains and tensioners asap. Just expensive to buy for this engine.

I have been using O'reilly brand full synthetic, been considering switching it over to Pennz Platinum, but after a little reading on here, kinda considering a good HM oil instead?


I have never used a microgaurd, used Fram years ago, then switched to Puro Classics and Pureones. I have always had good pressure and never had any start up noise with either of those filters. Check out my post where I opened up my Mopar MO90 filter, came out great. I have heard great things about Wix also. Im going to be switching over to a full synthetic next oil change and most likely start running a puro-synthetic filter. As far as the timing chain repair, it is going to be spendy, especially if you have the dealer or another mechanic do it. You could buy the parts relatively cheap on rock auto and do it yourself if it isnt your daily driver and can be apart for a weekend. Good luck either way!
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#3451913 - 08/10/14 08:47 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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I'll do it myself, I've been mechanicing since I was 14. Did it for a living off and on. I can get a good price on the parts due to my employee discount at O'reilly's wink

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#3452301 - 08/11/14 11:13 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.


I guess im not familiar with these engines "self destructing." The magnum engine has been around for years, and aside from being slightly underpowered has always been very reliable...



Just ignore the trolls... the 4.7 generally runs forever. 200k, 300k, and more miles are not uncommon. The ONE issue some early ones had was breaking rocker arms or (less often) the lash adjuster pocket on the head. Don't see much of that past ~2002 model year, though.

The later years are spec'd for Xw20, and its been pretty well established that its a backward-compatible spec with some benefits, including reducing the rocker arm trouble by making sure the hydraulic lash adjusters bring the lash to zero as quickly as possible.
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#3452418 - 08/11/14 01:17 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: 440Magnum]
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
the 4.7 generally runs forever.


I guess your right, the turnover of vehicles i have seen on craigslist with blown 4.7L's versus any other domestic v8 is just my imagination.
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#3452632 - 08/11/14 05:47 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: 440Magnum]
jk_636 Offline


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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the only real thing you have to worry about is how notorious the 4.7 is for self destructing. good luck.


I guess im not familiar with these engines "self destructing." The magnum engine has been around for years, and aside from being slightly underpowered has always been very reliable...



Just ignore the trolls... the 4.7 generally runs forever. 200k, 300k, and more miles are not uncommon. The ONE issue some early ones had was breaking rocker arms or (less often) the lash adjuster pocket on the head. Don't see much of that past ~2002 model year, though.

The later years are spec'd for Xw20, and its been pretty well established that its a backward-compatible spec with some benefits, including reducing the rocker arm trouble by making sure the hydraulic lash adjusters bring the lash to zero as quickly as possible.




I remember reading on one of the Ram forums that they had been safely back specced to a 20 weight oil. I have used 20 and 30 weights and they both run fine. The 20 weight gets higher oil pressure and slightly better mileage IMO. And as for the engine life, I am far from concerned. It is well taken care off. I hope to see it live to the 200k mark and beyond. I think that some on this thread get upset just seeing the letters MMO in the title... But I do appreciate all the feedback either way.
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#3453064 - 08/12/14 05:21 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: cptbarkey]
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Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
the 4.7 generally runs forever.


I guess your right, the turnover of vehicles i have seen on craigslist with blown 4.7L's versus any other domestic v8 is just my imagination.


It's not imagination. Just information. The Internet will do that to ya...
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#3453172 - 08/12/14 08:00 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: cptbarkey]
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Originally Posted By: cptbarkey

I guess your right, the turnover of vehicles i have seen on craigslist with blown 4.7L's versus any other domestic v8 is just my imagination.


90% of those that die were overheated or did not get proper oil maintenance. Same goes for the 2.7 engines.

If you don't like a brand or engine, it's real easy to find issue with them. For instance, I don't like Fords, so I see much more problems with their 4.0 SOHC engines than I do a Dodge 4.7 smile

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#3453912 - 08/12/14 07:24 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: SLATRON]
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Originally Posted By: SLATRON
Truck Specs 30 but your running 20 with MMO, why?
Have a pickup for daily driver? Towed with twice & air in bed?
So you going to keep using MMO because good results, what's that mean?
At 3k miles copper double avg. what's avg mileage based off of?
For extending oci use a 30 grade, keep MMO in gas tank if you can't stop yourself from using.


Hey, he's from Texas. FWIW we have them beat in per capita pickup sales here in VA. LOL I haul a lot of sailboat fuel in the bed of mine too.
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#3453983 - 08/12/14 08:27 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: Silverado12]
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Hey, he's from Texas. FWIW we have them beat in per capita pickup sales here in VA. LOL I haul a lot of sailboat fuel in the bed of mine too. [/quote]

Sailboat fuel crackmeup I will have to remember that one
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#3454500 - 08/13/14 01:42 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
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Registered: 06/23/14
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Loc: Arizona, USA
What the others have said regarding your oil and the addition of MMO is definitely worth taking into consideration.

MMO is approximately a 10-weight oil, with some solvent action due to the 'add pack.'

It's light stuff and it will thin your oil somewhat.

I use MMO myself in in my Sable 3.0 Duratec. I have been a bit lax in my maintenance over the last 50k miles, and I wanted to get a little extra clean-up done. I added about 8 ounces of MMO to my crankcase about 500 miles prior to my last OCI, and the oil came out VERY dark.

I added 1/2 quart to my current OCI and have been running it now for about 4k miles. The difference here, however, is that instead of the 5W-20 that my engine currently calls for, I put in 5W-30 with the MMO, as I felt that 4.5 qts of 5W-20 would be thinned down too much by .5 qts of MMO.

.. and this is a car that gets about 95% highway driving.

I should also add that once this OCI will the MMO is done, my next FEW OCIs will be done without any MMO being added. Once the MMO has done its work, it shouldn't need to be run again for some time. Just run a good oil and a good filter, and you're good.

.. and by 'good oil' I don't mean pricey. Motorcraft makes a [censored] fine 5W20 semi synth. PYB 5W-20 is also some excellent stuff. Same with QSGB 5W-20. Run any of these with confidence on a 5k OCI.
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#3454705 - 08/13/14 05:31 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: SirTanon]
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Registered: 08/03/14
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Originally Posted By: SirTanon
What the others have said regarding your oil and the addition of MMO is definitely worth taking into consideration.


This thread was never designed to spark a debate about the merits of MMO. I just wanted some feedback on my first UOA.

Originally Posted By: SirTanon

.. and by 'good oil' I don't mean pricey. Motorcraft makes a [censored] fine 5W20 semi synth. PYB 5W-20 is also some excellent stuff. Same with QSGB 5W-20. Run any of these with confidence on a 5k OCI.


I agree. Motorcraft makes a darn good semi-synthetic oil, and PYB is a top notch dino. I am interested to see how this mobil 5000 turns out. Seems like it should work out well for my short OCIs.
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#3455232 - 08/14/14 11:58 AM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: jk_636]
SirTanon Offline


Registered: 06/23/14
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Loc: Arizona, USA
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
What the others have said regarding your oil and the addition of MMO is definitely worth taking into consideration.


This thread was never designed to spark a debate about the merits of MMO. I just wanted some feedback on my first UOA.


I understand, and it's definitely not what I was trying to do - I was merely pointing out that your oil will be even thinner than the 5W-20 rating after you add the MMO, and that starting with a slightly heavier-weight oil would be advisable if you do plan to continue using the MMO regularly.

That said, I don't think the UOA is anything to really worry about. See how it is with the Mobil Super 5000.. that's good oil.
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#3455483 - 08/14/14 03:46 PM Re: 06 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7l MC 5w-20+MMO 3k [Re: SirTanon]
jk_636 Offline


Registered: 08/03/14
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
What the others have said regarding your oil and the addition of MMO is definitely worth taking into consideration.


This thread was never designed to spark a debate about the merits of MMO. I just wanted some feedback on my first UOA.


I understand, and it's definitely not what I was trying to do - I was merely pointing out that your oil will be even thinner than the 5W-20 rating after you add the MMO, and that starting with a slightly heavier-weight oil would be advisable if you do plan to continue using the MMO regularly.

That said, I don't think the UOA is anything to really worry about. See how it is with the Mobil Super 5000.. that's good oil.


Thanks. I was involved in the fiasco that was the MMO thread in the oil additives section, and believe me, thats not something I wanted to happen here crackmeup

I have since gone to 5-30 with MMO but Im not really so sure that 5-20 with MMO is really that dangerous.

For now I will be sticking with Mobil 5000. Its cheap and appears to have a nice additive package. Truth be told, I change my oil and filter so often that Im not even sure that it really matters anymore smirk
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