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#3442479 - 08/01/14 05:50 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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Cool, thanks for sharing

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#3442498 - 08/01/14 06:23 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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So why does it smell like wintergreen?
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#3442582 - 08/01/14 08:28 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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It is the chlorinated species (ortho-dichloro benzene and isomers) that really made MMO a useful additive in engines when leaded gas was around. It supplemented the dibromoethane used as a lead scavenger in the engine and kept the engines clean.

Lead oxide was formed (a white powder) and the halogen compounds reacted with this oxide to produce lead bromide and chloride which was voltile and went out the tailpipe. In the air , it reacted with water to form hydrochloric/hydrobromic acid and various lead acids and oxides.
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#3442602 - 08/01/14 08:55 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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I use 2 to 3 oz in the fuel every fillup. It stopped a fuel pump whine on a high mileage engine.

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#3442649 - 08/01/14 09:51 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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So there is really no point in using it with today's engine oil,
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#3442697 - 08/01/14 10:34 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: Clubber_Lang]
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Originally Posted By: Clubber_Lang
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Low flashpoint.


yes, its supposed to burn off gradually as it cleans



Here is a stair step description of what would evaporate from first to last:

Chlorinated Hydrocarbons of orthodichlorobenzenes >> Mineral Spirits (deodorized Kerosene) >> Naphthenic Hydrocarbons









Edited by MolaKule (08/01/14 10:36 AM)
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#3442708 - 08/01/14 10:42 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: GreeCguy]
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Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
So why does it smell like wintergreen?


Quote:
BTW, the paraffinic hydrocarbons were C11-C14, n-alkanes, normally denoted as "dearomatized kerosene."


Which is essentially Kerosene that has been hydrotreated. Odorants are then added to make it smell more pleasant.
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#3442754 - 08/01/14 11:37 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: Boomer]
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
It is the chlorinated species (ortho-dichloro benzene and isomers) that really made MMO a useful additive in engines when leaded gas was around. It supplemented the dibromoethane used as a lead scavenger in the engine and kept the engines clean.

Lead oxide was formed (a white powder) and the halogen compounds reacted with this oxide to produce lead bromide and chloride which was voltile and went out the tailpipe. In the air , it reacted with water to form hydrochloric/hydrobromic acid and various lead acids and oxides.


Thanks, Boomer, for that additional historical perspective. thumbsup


Edited by MolaKule (08/01/14 11:38 AM)
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#3442759 - 08/01/14 11:39 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
what's your professional opinion of this stuff Mola?


1) Probably a decent fuel system cleaner,
2) and flush for adding to oil just before changing it. This is assuming of course you have evidence of, or suspect a dirty engine.

Since it has a very low viscosity, I certainly wouldn't leave it in the engine oil as it might thin it down to much, especially if your oil is already a XW20 weight oil.

When the oils were low detergent oils such as SB through SF, it might have helped.

Modern oils have such high detergency I doubt you really need to use this in concert with an engine oil.



As for fuel systems, the more modern Redline SI-1 and Techron should take care of any fuel system and upper engine area cleaning.


Do you think it has any value as a fuel maintenance dose in the directions of 4oz. per 10 gallons of fuel?

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#3442870 - 08/01/14 01:24 PM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: Nickdfresh]
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh


Do you think it has any value as a fuel maintenance dose in the directions of 4oz. per 10 gallons of fuel?


Historically, when gasoline fuel did not have the modern additives it has today, it probably had more efficacy.

It would fractionally increase (at less than 0.01%) the benzene content already in gasoline fuel.

Does it do any harm? Probably not.

You have to look at the data, and the cost of the product, and determine if there are any advantages with respect to your budget.


Edited by MolaKule (08/01/14 01:31 PM)
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#3442879 - 08/01/14 01:28 PM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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BTW, the testing (done in April) did not check for sulfur.

That was to be done this upcoming semester.
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#3442924 - 08/01/14 02:06 PM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh


Do you think it has any value as a fuel maintenance dose in the directions of 4oz. per 10 gallons of fuel?


Does it do any harm? Probably not.


At 4 oz. per 10 gal. and 25 mpg, you are putting the equivalent of burning 1 qt. of oil per 2000 miles in phosphorus through your cat. Will that cause long term problems? I don't know, but the less phosphorus thru the cat the better.

If your goal is cleanliness, an additive containing PEA is better all around.

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#3443938 - 08/02/14 02:49 PM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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http://www.marvelmysteryoil.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/538/

"The original formula is still used today and has not been changed since it was first sold in metal cans. (So a formula from 1923 is supposed to work with todays motor oils?")


"MMO also penetrates metal surfaces to prevent corrosion"
Huh?


Edited by Trajan (08/02/14 02:51 PM)
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#3444040 - 08/02/14 06:07 PM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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Have you ever done anything with "Rislone"? (Another oldie from the past).
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#3444534 - 08/03/14 09:01 AM Re: Laboratory Analysis of MMO [Re: MolaKule]
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Yes.

I have used the Rislone Engine Treatment (1-Quart plastic Yellow Bottle) to cure a suspected VVT control valve problem in a '03 Nissan PathFinder. It has a synthetic friction modifier as well as concentrated cleaning abilities.


Edited by MolaKule (08/03/14 09:02 AM)
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