hy-per lube with red cap

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Have you guys tried this stuff? I'm looking for something to beef up my 10W-30.

This stuff caught my attention because it's got a cool squeeze bottle with a snappy red cap.
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I'm trying to counteract some of the shearing that goes on with the oil.
Most of these 10W-30's turn into 20W's within 2000 miles. I guess
what I'm trying to do is create something between a 10W-30 and a
10W-40. Theres' a UOA where a guy mixed Chevron 10W-30 50/50
with Chevron 15W-40 Delo and got very low wear numbers.
His engine was a 3800 V6 like the one in my Buick.
 
The GM 3800 engine is darn near bulletproof (unfortunately not Rustkool-proof) and is a very long lived engine even on bulk dino Xw30... even if it has sheared to a Xw20 in a couple thousand miles. Why do you think shearing to a 20 weight is necessarily a bad thing or causing you undue wear? I'm surprised to hear Maxlife 10w30 (per your sig) is shearing to a 20 weight. Have you verified this in your engine?

I would try to use a more shear-resistant oil if that's what you're trying to prevent instead of diluting your existing oil with what's basically just motor honey or engine snot. Hy-Per Lube MSDS here http://www.hyperlube.com/images/HPL201-Oil-Supplement-MSDS.pdf for your perusal.
 
I used to work on a job where the boss had us use Hyper-Lube in just about everything. Waste of money. All it did was make the oil a bit thicker and a bit sticky. On my own I just "forgot" to order any more, and took the Chevron catalog (we were contracted with Chevron) and the machinery manuals and got the right oil for each machine and matched to our operating conditions. Within a year our maintenance was much less.

Merkava, instead of trying to homebrew something, use the same total money to buy better oil. I don't think that shearing is the problem you think it is, but anyway, just buy better oil. It'll work better.
 
Originally Posted By: scurvy
Why do you think shearing to a 20 weight is necessarily a bad thing or causing you undue wear? I'm surprised to hear Maxlife 10w30 (per your sig) is shearing to a 20 weight. Have you verified this in your engine?


No sir, I haven't verified it. I'm just going my everybody else's UOA's that show 10W-40's shearing down to a 30 weight and 10W-30's shearing down to a 20 weight. But you're correct, shearing back a grade hasn't had much impact on people's engine wear; not near as much as silicon being ingested into the engine by using those K&N air filters. I may just run a mix of Chevron 10W-30 mixed 50/50 with 10W-40. That should get me to a thick 10W-30 with a little bit of room to shear.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: scurvy
Why do you think shearing to a 20 weight is necessarily a bad thing or causing you undue wear? I'm surprised to hear Maxlife 10w30 (per your sig) is shearing to a 20 weight. Have you verified this in your engine?


No sir, I haven't verified it. I'm just going my everybody else's UOA's that show 10W-40's shearing down to a 30 weight and 10W-30's shearing down to a 20 weight. But you're correct, shearing back a grade hasn't had much impact on people's engine wear; not near as much as silicon being ingested into the engine by using those K&N air filters. I may just run a mix of Chevron 10W-30 mixed 50/50 with 10W-40. That should get me to a thick 10W-30 with a little bit of room to shear.


Where is your proof to the bolder part? Also because an oil shears in someones engine in a certain situation does not mean it will shear in yours and your situation.
 
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Where is your proof to the bolder part? Also because an oil shears in someones engine in a certain situation does not mean it will shear in yours and your situation.


You mean my comment about Silicon? Whenever I read a UOA, the first things I look at are the Iron, Copper, Lead, and Silicon numbers. On every single UOA that I've seen, high wear numbers are always accompanied by high Silicon numbers. It always makes me wonder what the other wear numbers would have been if it weren't for the high Silicon numbers.
 
I think that there is more engine wear that comes from poor air filtration than from any other source. Even the best oil available will not make silicon-based dust non-abrasive.
 
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On every single UOA that I've seen, high wear numbers are always accompanied by high Silicon numbers. It always makes me wonder what the other wear numbers would have been if it weren't for the high Silicon numbers.


I think you're confusing silicon, dirt, with the silicone in the Hyperlube. While their basis is the mineral silicon, they are vastly different.

The silicone here is what we call PDMS, which is a defoamer.

One way to tell if the engine is digesting dirt is to compare the silicon numbers from a VOA to those in a UAO with the same oil over three oil changes.

This stuff contains mainly oil thickeners and one of those thickeners is the worst kind, the Ethylene propylene copolymer, which is a low grade VII.

I see no anti-wear of friction modifiers at all.
 
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Thanks for everybody's comments. Right now as of September 01, I've got 5 quarts of Chevron 10W-30 in there with no additive. I hope the oil holds up. Normally I use MaxLife 10W-30 and top up with Valvoline white bottle 10W-40, but this time I decided to try the Chevron oil from Costco because of the price increase of MaxLife at Wal*Mart. I'm feeling guilty about the change though - I feel like I'm depriving my car of the good oil and filling it up with cheap discount oil.
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Id just run some 10w30 HDEO. I know Rotella offers it in syn blend and dino, and Mystik makes it in a syn blend. I buy the mystik HDEO 10w30 all the time for 22 bucks for a two gallon jug.
 
I used the stuff in a 84 ltd with a mixed compression v6,it seemed to smooth out the engine and increase power by butt dyno measurement.
One of the earlier posters noted that it made oil feel "stickier".One of the claims of Hyper-lube is it causes the oil to remain on engine internals longer,reducing startup engine wear.Sounds like it would be good for a car that does a lot of short trip driving during a day.
Hyper-lube also makes a version with jojoba oil thats good.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I know this is an old thread but here is the info I found about the product from the msds fo it.
"Page 1 of 8
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MSDS Document
Product Oil Supplement
1. Chemical Product and Company Identification
Hy-Per Lube Oil Supplement
Part # HPL201, HPL205, HPL255
Manufacturer:
Hy-Per Lube Corporation Phone Number: (206)381-3535
900 1st Avenue South Emergency Phone (800)255-3924
Suite 200
Seattle, Wa 98134
Revision Date 12/16/2010
0
1
0
Health
Fire
Reactivity
Specific
2. Composition and Information on Ingredients
Ingredient CAS Number Weight % ACGIH TLV PEL STEL
Heavy Hydrotreated
Naphthenic Distillates
(petroleum)
64742-52-5 90% - Min 5 MG/M3 5 MG/M3
Ethylene, propylene,
ethylidene norbomene,
terpolymer rubber
25038-36-2 8% - Max 0
White mineral oil 8042-47-5 3% - Max 5 mg/m3 5 mg/m3 10 mg/m3
1-PROPENE-2-METHYL
HOMOPOLYMER
9003-27-4 2% - Max
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Oil Supplement
Light Naphthenic
Hydrotreated Distillates
(petroleum)
64742-53-6 1% - Max 5 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
SILICONE 63148-62-9 1% - Max 0
2,6-DI-TERT-BUTYL
PARA CRESOL (BHT)
128-37-0 1% - Max 2 10
3. Hazard Identification
***************************** EMERGENCY OVERVIEW *****************************
* Not expected to cause a severe emergency hazard. *
******************************************************************************
POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS
PRIMARY ROUTE(S) OF ENTRY
Skin.
EYES
Tests on similar materials suggest that no eye effect be expected.
SKIN
Tests on similar materials indicate that no significant adverse health
effects are expected to occur upon short-term exposure.
INGESTION
Tests on similar materials indicate no significant adverse effects expected.
Practically non-toxic.
INHALATION
Tests on similar material indicate no acute effects are expected.
CHRONIC (CANCER INFORMATION)
Prolonged and/or repeated contact with this material may produce skin
irritation and inflammation.
Carcinogen listed by : National Toxicology Program (NO)
I. A. R. C. (NO)
OSHA (NO)
ACGIH (NO)
This product does not require a cancer hazard warning in accordance with the
OSHA Hazard Communication Standard.
MEDICAL CONDITIONS AGGRAVATED BY EXPOSURE
Personnel with pre-existing skin disorders should avoid contact with this
product.
MEDICAL CONDITIONS AGGRAVATED BY OVEREXPOSURE
Dermatitis and Sensitive Skin.
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Oil Supplement
4. First Aid Information
EYES
Flush eyes immediately with water for at least 15 minutes or until irritation
subsides. If irritation persists, consult a physician.
SKIN
Wash thoroughly with soap and water. Remove contaminated clothing and wash
before reuse. If irritation or rash develops, obtain medical assistance.
Immediately remove soaked clothing.
INGESTION
Product is practically non-toxic. Do not induce vomiting. Obtain emergency
medical attention.
INHALATION
Not likely to occur except a mist. Remove patient to fresh air and consult a
physician. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. If not breathing give
artificial respiration.
5. Fire Fighting Measures
FLAMMABLE PROPERTIES
FLASH POINT: >330°F >166°C COC ASTM D92
AUTOIGNITION: >650°F >343°C
FLAMMABILITY CLASS: IIIB
LOWER EXPLOSIVE LIMIT (%): Not determined
UPPER EXPLOSIVE LIMIT (%): Not determined
FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARDS
Slightly combustible. OSHA/NFPA Class IIIB Combustible Liquid. If heated
above its flash point will release flammable vapors which can burn in the
open or be explosive in confined spaces if exposed to ignition source. Mists
or sprays may be flammable below oil's normal flash point. Keep away from
extreme heat or open flame.
EXTINGUISHING MEDIA
Dry Chemical, carbon dioxide, water fog and foam. NOTE: Water, fog and foam
may cause frothing and spattering.
FIRE FIGHTING INSTRUCTIONS
Use water to cool containers exposed to flames. Do not enter enclosed or a
confined work space without proper protective equipment. Fire fighting
personnel should wear respiratory protection (positive pressure if
available).
Products of combustion include fumes, smoke and carbon monoxide.
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6. Accidental Release Measures
Shut off ignition source. Contain spill and keep from entering waterways or
sewers. Use personal protective equipment. Advise EPA; state agency if
required. Absorb on inert material. Shovel, sweep or vacuum spill.
7. Handling and Storage
HANDLING AND STORAGE PRECAUTIONS
Keep away from flames, sparks or hot surfaces. Never use a torch to cut
or weld on or near container. Empty oil containers can contain explosive
vapors. NFPA Class IIIB storage. Wash thoroughly after handling.
WORK/HYGIENIC PRACTICES
Wash hands with soap and water before eating, drinking, smoking or use of
toilet facilities. Do not use gasoline, solvents, kerosene, or harsh abrasive
skin cleaners for washing exposed skin areas. Take a shower after work if
general contact occurs. Remove oil-soaked clothing and launder before reuse.
Launder or discard contaminated shoes and leather gloves.
8. Exposure Controls and Personal Protection
ENGINEERING CONTROLS
Use adequate ventilation to keep oil mists of this material below applicable
standard(s). See Section on occupational exposure limits.
EYE/FACE PROTECTION
Safety glasses or splash goggles. Have suitable eye wash water available.
SKIN PROTECTION
Avoid prolonged and/or repeated skin contact. If prolonged contact cannot be
avoided, wear protective impervious gloves and clothing. Acceptable materials
for gloves are polyvinyl chloride; neoprene; nitrile; polyvinyl alcohol;
viton.
RESPIRATORY PROTECTION
Normally not required if adequate ventilation. If occupational exposure
limits are exceeded wear NIOSH/MSHA approved apparatus.
OTHER/GENERAL PROTECTION
If there is a likelihood of splashing, an oil resistant clothing should be
worn. Never wear oil soaked clothing. Launder or dry clean before wearing.
Discard oil soaked shoes. Affix warning labels on containers in accordance
with 29 CFR 1910.1200 (Hazard Communication Standard).
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CONCENTRATION
INGREDIENT NAME EXPOSURE LIMITS PERCENT BY VOLUME
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Petroleum Oil
Exposure Limits: OIL MIST 1.0 to 90.0
CAS NUMBER: 64742-52-5 OSHA PEL MIST 5 MG/M3 8 HRS
ACGIH TLV MIST 5 MG/M3 8 HRS
Proprietary Oil Soluble Polymer Blends 1.0 to 10.0
9. Physical and Chemical Properties
APPEARANCE
Clear, pale straw to yellow liquid.
ODOR
Light bland petroleum.
ODOR THRESHOLD
N.D.
BASIC PHYSICAL PROPERTIES
PHYSICAL STATE: Liquid
BOILING POINT: IBP >500°F IBP >260°C
MELTING POINT: N/A°F N/A°C
VAPOR PRESSURE: VAPOR DENSITY (AIR=1): >5
SPECIFIC GRAVITY: 0.90 Water = 1
PACKING DENSITY: N/A
SOLUBILITY (H2O): negligible in water
PERCENT VOLATILES: nil
EVAPORATION RATE: 1000X slower than ethyl ether
pH: essentially neutral
VISCOSITY: 130 cSt at 100°C
10. Stability and Reactivity
STABILITY: Stable
CONDITIONS TO AVOID (STABILITY)
Sources of ignition.
INCOMPATIBLE MATERIALS
Strong oxidizers.
HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS
Combustion may produce carbon monoxide and other asphyxiants.
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HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: will not occur
11. Toxicological Information
ACUTE STUDIES
Tests on similar materials show a low order of acute oral and dermal
toxicity.
EYE EFFECTS
Minimal irritation on contact.
SKIN EFFECTS
Practically non-toxic if absorbed. May cause mild irritation with prolonged
and repeated contact.
ACUTE ORAL EFFECTS
Tests on similiar materials indicate low order of acute oral toxicity.
ACUTE INHALATION EFFECTS
Low acute toxicity expected on inhalation.
This product is severely hydrotreated. Severely hydrotreated naphthenic
petroleum oil has not been found to be carcinogenic or a potential
carcinogen. This product is not listed as carcinogenic or a potential
carcinogen by the National Toxicology Program, by the I.A.R.C. monographs
or by OSHA. Nevertheless, good industrial hygienic practices are
recommended.
12. Ecological Information
No specific ecological data are available for this product. Please refer to
Section 6 for information regarding accidental releases and Section 15 for
regulatory reporting information.
13. Disposal Considerations
Follow federal, state and local regulations. Not a RCRA hazardous waste if
uncontaminated. If "used", RCRA criteria must be determined. Do not flush to
drain/storm sewer. Contract to authorized disposal service. If permitted
incineration may be practical. Recommend recycling.
RCRA INFORMATION
Not a RCRA hazardous waste if uncontaminated.
14. Transportation Information
PROPER SHIPPING NAME: Not regulated by DOT
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HAZARD CLASS: Not applicable
DOT IDENTIFICATION NUMBER: N/A
DOT SHIPPING LABEL: Not regulated by DOT
15. Regulatory Information
U.S. FEDERAL REGULATORY INFORMATION
SARA 302 Threshold Planning Quantity: NOT APPLICABLE
SARA 304 Reportable Quantity : NOT APPLICABLE
SARA 311 Categories: Immediate (Acute) Health Effects --N
Delayed (Chronic) Health Effects --N
Fire Hazard --N
Sudden Release of Pressure Hazard--N
Reactivity Hazard --N
EPA/TSCA Inventory: The components of this product are listed on the EPA/TSCA
inventory of chemicals.
EPA Hazard Classification Code: NOT APPLICABLE
Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation and Liability Act
(CERCLA):
No chemicals in this product are subject to the reporting requirements of
CERCLA
SARA TITLE III - SECTION 313 SUPPLIER NOTIFICATION
No chemicals in this product exceed the De Minimus reporting level
established by SARA Title III, Section 313 and 40 CFR 372
WHMIS Classification : NOT CONTROLLED
16. Other Information
NFPA HAZARD RATING
- HEALTH: 0 Negligible
- FIRE: 1 Slight
- REACTIVITY: 0 Negligible
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12/16/2010 Revised Composition information.
DISCLAIMER OF EXPRESSED AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES
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and reflects our best professional judgement. Although reasonable care has
been taken in the preparation of this document, we extend no warranties and
make no representations as to the accuracy or completeness of the information
contained therein and assume no responsibility regarding the suitability of
this information for the user's intended purpose or for the consequence of
its use. Each individual should make a determination as to the suitability
of the information for his/her particular purpose(s). "

So at least additive is not just heavy brightstock as Lucas Oil Stabilizer has been reported to be.
 
Ethylene, propylene, ethylidene norbomene, terpolymer rubber

A Viscosity Index Improver, same as in old STP blue bottle.


White mineral oil

Self explnatory


1-PROPENE-2-METHYL HOMOPOLYMER

Thickener (PIB), replaces Brightstock.


OilLight Naphthenic Hydrotreated Distillate

Discussed here before.


SILICONE

Foam inhibitor


2,6-DI-TERT-BUTYL PARA CRESOL (BHT) 128-37-0

Anti-oxidant

Just an oil thickener for smokers on their last leg.
 
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