War in Ukraine

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Interesting your posts are nearly in lockstep with Russian propaganda.


Most conspiracy theorists are America haters. It's blatantly obvious.


Perhaps they should GTFO?


I have asked one to visit Moscow but he has not accepted the challenge. Why is this?


I think the reason is obvious. It is far easier to cast stones from the comfort of one's living room than actually having to see what it is like elsewhere.

 

[dave1251]

Indeed.

 

[dave1251]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/

Russia Eyes Banning U.S. Chicken And Some European Fruit and
investigating McDonald’s Corp. (MCD) cheese for safety.


This makes perfect sense. Ban food! Now investigate McDonald's cheese.

 

[dave1251]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/belarus-fight-both-sides-ukraine-russia-conflict

This article should help explain the issue with Russia deciding to hold on to former buffer zones at all cost. Destabilizing the region and further dividing Western Europe.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
If there really was the possibility of a legit referendum among the entire country of Ukraine the east and western halves would each go their own way perhaps they should become separate countries.


Why should Ukraine be split up? Do the majority of Ukrainians agree to split their country?
If then this is an viable solution. If not then the "New Russian" citizens have the ability to live in Russia. I am sure Ukrainians would be happy and willing for "New Russians" to migrate to Russia and may even help them pack. I am sure Russians will be happy to welcome "New Russians". I am certain Russians in general will not be so welcoming of Ukrainian citizens living in a New Russia.


According to several surveys, the answer was "no." About 70% in the region did NOT want cut ties with Kiev. Many of those may have wanted certain guarantees or more autonomy, but not succession. Russia armed the 30% and sent its officers and lunatics to lead them...

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Putin still has time to take over the eastern half of the Ukraine and the populous there will support him, the sooner the better.
...


Great! The first step to a Russian economic collapse...

 

[dave1251]

I assumed as much. Another pro Russian myth. Debunked.

 

[Nickdfresh]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worl...ists-are-wrong/

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Putin still has time to take over the eastern half of the Ukraine and the populous there will support him, the sooner the better.
...


Someone does not have any situational awareness. Without overt invasion Eastern Ukraine will not fall into Putin's hands without the Russian Army providing men, arms, tanks, leadership from "former" intelligence officers, and artillery support, the Russian separatist will not deliver "New Russia" to Putin. The majority of the populous in Ukraine never intended to become Putin's pawns. Which is the reason for the war in Ukraine in the first place.

If the majority of the citizens of Russia want a regime like Putin's dictating them when to go to the bathroom, eat, sleep, and become more isolated from the world. Good for them this is their choice.

Look at the bright side. Since you share many values with Putin's Russia you can always apply to live in Putin's Russia

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[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Putin still has time to take over the eastern half of the Ukraine and the populous there will support him, the sooner the better.
...


Someone does not have any situational awareness. Without overt invasion Eastern Ukraine will not fall into Putin's hands without the Russian Army providing men, arms, tanks, leadership from "former" intelligence officers, and artillery support, the Russian separatist will not deliver "New Russia" to Putin. The majority of the populous in Ukraine never intended to become Putin's pawns. Which is the reason for the war in Ukraine in the first place.

If the majority of the citizens of Russia want a regime like Putin's dictating them when to go to the bathroom, eat, sleep, and become more isolated from the world. Good for them this is their choice.

Look at the bright side. Since you share many values with Putin's Russia you can always apply to live in Putin's Russia

.


I wish you hadn't attributed that idiotic quote to me...

 

[dave1251]

LOL I apologize! I will make it up to you. I will redact this post and issue a new response.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Putin still has time to take over the eastern half of the Ukraine and the populous there will support him, the sooner the better.
...


Someone does not have any situational awareness. Without overt invasion Eastern Ukraine will not fall into Putin's hands without the Russian Army providing men, arms, tanks, leadership from "former" intelligence officers, and artillery support, the Russian separatist will not deliver "New Russia" to Putin. The majority of the populous in Ukraine never intended to become Putin's pawns. Which is the reason for the war in Ukraine in the first place.

If the majority of the citizens of Russia want a regime like Putin's dictating them when to go to the bathroom, eat, sleep, and become more isolated from the world. Good for them this is their choice.

Look at the bright side. Since you share many values with Putin's Russia you can always apply to live in Putin's Russia

.

 

[dave1251]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/-sp-ukraine-rebel-igor-bezler-interview-demon

Ukraine rebel chief Igor Bezler threatens to execute interviewer

"With a walrus moustache, a fiery temper and a reputation for brutality, Igor Bezler is the most feared of all the rebel leaders in eastern Ukraine. Nicknamed Bes, or “the Demon”, he is regarded as something of a loose cannon, even by other rebels, who speak about him in hushed tones."

How nice of him.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Putin still has time to take over the eastern half of the Ukraine and the populous there will support him, the sooner the better.

This will prevent the US State Department and their partners from further meddling, at least in the east. If he does it right Putin will allow the eastern half of the country to remain autonomous with alignment with Russia being the only critical issues for Russia.



If you are speaking just from your believes, are a great fool. Putin pays top money for posters like you. You could be earning some rubels in your spare time. When you finely go visit mother russia, make sure keep 5000 rubels on you. This is the current bribe to give to police if they stop you somewhere during night.

 

[Trajan]

Only about 17% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian. So I really doubt that 1/2 the country would join Russia voluntarily or support Putin.

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worl...ists-are-wrong/

Really?

A fake survey.

So how is western propaganda any better than that from the east?


In any case Putin and Russia do NOT want to invade and turn eastern Ukraine into a province of Russia, they are simply going to do what the majority of the eastern half of the country want, which is autonomy with alignment to Russia.

Yet the USA invaded Iraq and destroyed the nation under false pretenses that US officials KNEW about, and silence about that.

The hypocrisy is mind boggling to say the least.

Oh, lets not forget about the original Ashkanazi Khazar terrorist groups invading the Holy Land in the 1930s (operated by Begin and Meir) and driving the rightful semitic land owners from their property that they owned for at least a thousand years, while the Ashkanazi never set foot in the Holy Land until the 1930s.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell

Really?

A fake survey.

So how is western propaganda any better than that from the east?

Pot, meet kettle.

cha ching!

yap, you must be doing it for the money.

 

[antiqueshell]

What did Ukrainian ex PM Yulia Ty-moshe-nko mean when she stated that she would have her "connections" involved and have the entire world rise up so that their wouldn't even be a scorched field left in Russia?

Which interest group controls the western mass media? Think about that. And for that matter which interest group has so much influence in western gov'ts compared to their numbers in the general populations in percentage?

The fact is that in the west they control all sides.

 

[dave1251]

Think about the dribble you post over and over. It is two badly produced youtube videos. The dribble is so bad an Russian government that is looking for any international vindication and is doing everything it is power to suppress word to the average Russian citizen of E.U./U.S. sanctions would endorse this dribble from youtube that you have posted in an hot minute and blast it throughout the known world. If there was any validity to this junk at all. There is not and even the Kremlin will not touch this dribble. This should tell any logical thinking person both videos are beyond junk.

My invitation for you to visit Moscow is still open. Why will you not go and live there? You and Putin's Russia have at least two things in common.

 

[Trajan]

Youtube videos made by any yahoo with a video camera and a computer as credible evidence..........