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#3436203 - 07/26/14 11:04 AM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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Registered: 06/03/05
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Originally Posted By: morris
and i think NHRA is a bit like the gestapo. like you ONLY can use ONE certin brand of nitro.....???????


NASCAR requires all teams to use Sunoco ethanol, same with IndyCar. You have to run Goodyear tires in NASCAR even though, arguably, Hoosier makes a superior product.

It not only keeps costs in line, but it keeps teams from formulating their own fuels.

F1 teams have Shell, ExxonMobil, and Petronas make custom fuels for their cars. Samples are provided to the FIA to ensure they meet requirements. Would you rather have that?
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#3436205 - 07/26/14 11:05 AM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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I do wish they would go back to the full 1320ft thing with the Fuel cars. But even the FIA has changed the distance in the drag racing series it runs to 1000ft, and since they are ultimately the ones running NHRA that is the rule.
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#3436292 - 07/26/14 12:54 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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did not i say gestapo?

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#3436293 - 07/26/14 12:55 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: bdcardinal]
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
I do wish they would go back to the full 1320ft thing with the Fuel cars. But even the FIA has changed the distance in the drag racing series it runs to 1000ft, and since they are ultimately the ones running NHRA that is the rule.


+1 I wish they'd let them run the full quarter.
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#3436300 - 07/26/14 01:05 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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Originally Posted By: morris
did not i say gestapo?


I don't see how it is at all. Plus when sponsor money is involved, especially with a fuel and tire supplier, they tend to prefer exclusive contracts since losing is bad for publicity.
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#3436387 - 07/26/14 02:39 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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in the late 60s i went to the world points finals from 1965 to 1968. one time i saw a guy with a max wedge with an aluminium front end. he lost the hood in the traps. and NHRA would NOT let him use a steel hood. i have known some racers leave NHRA cause of the gestapo tactics. OH about winning? when you own half the cars at the track you do have a chance to win.

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#3438241 - 07/28/14 09:30 AM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: morris
yep 7-20-14 sun. NHRA drag racing Denver Co. if i post it this time you will say iam beating a dead horse. 30 passes. only 10 under full power.


I know how you feel. This is not racing like you and I grew up with!!!


yeah no kidding

1 cylinder of a tfd/tfc makes more hp than all 8 cylinders did back then.
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#3439017 - 07/28/14 09:48 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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OK sanoma cal. 7-27-14 only 6 out of 30 pass with both car at full power. thats all.

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#3439156 - 07/29/14 01:52 AM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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I've said it before, but a sealed engine as you keep mentioning over and over again, would kill the Fuel car classes.

I know that I and most of my colleagues would lose interest in running a Fuel car that is a shadow of it's former self. Most of the fans would follow in their lack of interest in a lame Fuel Car class. A Top Fuel Dragster or Funny Car that can't run with a Pro Stock Car, would be an insult to the original intent of their respective classes.

There are a slew of regulations that are intended to and do slow the cars down, which make these cars much more tricky to tune. Especially for a track with an inconsistent surface.

Sorry you weren't pleased with the Sonoma event.

On to Pacific Raceways, where conditions are often conducive to good runs.

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#3439371 - 07/29/14 10:09 AM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: 02SE]
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Originally Posted By: 02SE
I've said it before, but a sealed engine as you keep mentioning over and over again, would kill the Fuel car classes.


I don't go out of my way to watch NHRA, I will catch it when I am flipping through and remember it is on. However if they went to sealed engines in the fuel class I would lose complete interest. Half the fun is watching the crew chiefs come up with a tune that will let the car stick and not spin tire.
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#3440114 - 07/29/14 10:16 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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it would NOT kill it. they have adapted to lower nitro level, 1,000 ft track. no computer control clutch, blower size restriction, rear end ratio limit, wing size limit, engine cubic inch limit. and just off the top of my head. they WILL adapt!!! how in world is 70% failing to finish under power a RACE? i thought a race was BOTH car finishing the track under power. or am i crazy?

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#3440188 - 07/30/14 01:43 AM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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You've only scratched the surface of the various regulations and restrictions, Fuel cars must adhere to.

A "Race" is beating the guy in the other lane. Or in the case of the Four-Wide deal, the other three lanes. Whether the car(s) in the other lane(s) finish under power or not.

I get it. You want them tamed to the point that everyone finishes under power, no matter the circumstances.

I can tell you that I and all of the colleagues I've discussed this with over the years, would give up Fuel racing if it came to that. Not that it would matter, because the majority of fans would stop coming out to the races, if the Fuel cars were no longer the ground-pounding, ear-splitting, internal organ rearranging, noxious fume belching violent machines we know and love.

I say lets just race the team traveling and tow vehicles. Imagine a bunch of Toyota Minivans and SUV's racing down the track. Everyone would finish under power! smile

At any rate, this discussion is going nowhere.

Have a good night.

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#3440562 - 07/30/14 12:14 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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how do you "BEAT" some one if he gives of half way down the track. that is a "FAIL TO RACE". ill say this if i was a top fuel tuner and my engine blew up 70% of the time i would be VERY embarrassed.

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#3440857 - 07/30/14 04:51 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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could this happen? iam a top furl tuner and EVERY run the other guy fails to be at full power at the finish line? SOOOOOO did i win the race? what think? would you be proud if that happened to you?

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#3440946 - 07/30/14 06:20 PM Re: they are still doing it NHRA [Re: morris]
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how is that different than the other person red lighting?

it is not.

a large part of TF ***IS*** getting the tune right for the track.

then the driver has to do the job they are paid for! pedal it or not.

it is too bad you dont understand this simple concept.
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