Malaysian 777 shot down over Ukraine

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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
The current wildly believed rumor in russia is the crash was staged by ukraine and they used the previously missing MH370 plane with the missing passengers. Actually, russian people believe it.

The rumor started from the chief rebel:

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MOSCOW (AP) — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian military intelligence agent, said he couldn't confirm the information. But it's sure to add to the intense emotions surrounding the crash, with the rebels accused of shooting down the plane.

Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/20/mh17-ukraine-rebels_n_5603470.html



This is "better".


"Alexander Grishin Columnist
No pants, but with dignity"
also
"Alexander Boroday: Ukrainian side sabotaging the investigation Boeing crash"
also
"Refugees from Ukraine allocated 5 billion rubles"
and finally
"Journalists loot the wreckage of the "Boeing""


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.kp.ru/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKomsomolskaya%2BPravda%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dga7%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial%26channel%3Dsb



Komsomolskaya Pravda?

Wow, I didn't know they still have that publication. This was the official publication for the soviet communist youth.
"Pravda" means "truth", but it was universally accepted they were all lies and propaganda. I can't believe how little changed since!
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Update.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/mal...ory?id=24659421


Destroying plane parts to hide evidence. Old Russian trick.
The same thing happened when Polish Airforce plane went down in Russia killing Polish President and his elite in 2010.
Russians were caught destroying evidence too.
http://www.smolenskcrashnews.com/destruction-of-evidence.html

While it was universally blamed on pilot error, the evidence tampering makes you think twice what really happened. Polish side of the investigation showed that the russian ground crew were saying the plane was on course when it was shortly before impact with ground.

Later, one of the Polish generals who was very critical of the Russian investigation was found dead "by suicide".
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Komsomolskaya Pravda?
Wow, I didn't know they still have that publication. This was the official publication for the soviet communist youth.
"Pravda" means "truth", but it was universally accepted they were all lies and propaganda. I can't believe how little changed since!


Just read some of the "more conservative" Russian news including.

pravda.ru
ria.ru
and of course "official government telegraph releases" http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741999


I fail to see the logic exercised by some stating the whole situation is a set up. Putin and his pro-Soviet backers are really embracing their roles.
 
Good find. According to him not only do the rebels possess BUK weapon systems. The BUK systems captured from the Ukrainian government were not operational.

I agree with friendly this man is not long for this world after agreeing to this interview.
 
Latest news:
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Relative of MH17 victim Cameron Dalziel says their family had to cancel his credit cards because they are being used in Ukraine.


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There have been a number of similar reports in the Netherlands.


I assume rebels are buying new shiny tanks with credit now?
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/pro-russia-militant-we-shot-down-the-malaysia-airliner-2014-7

He must be in on the conspiracy.
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http://en.ria.ru/world/20140724/19119798...ers-Downed.html

"In my opinion no; they could not have done it,” Savchenko said.

Savchenko argued that only well-trained troops could use the Buk surface-to-air missile system.

“Do they [independence supporters] have these trained professionals? Could they set Buk up? I don’t think so. First of all they would have to zero in. Even if the person served in the military before and then went over to the independence supporters … only a person who constantly practices would be able to hit the target,” Savchenko added."


Oh I agree that ordinary "Rebels" in Ukraine can not operate a BUK weapon system.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251

Savchenko argued that only well-trained troops could use the Buk surface-to-air missile system.
[...]
Oh I agree that ordinary "Rebels" in Ukraine can not operate a BUK weapon system.


Question for Savchenko: how about "rebels" operating T-64 tanks and Grad missiles. Using the same logic they should not be able to do that either, and they are apparently very effective in doing just that, LOL.
 
http://www.rferl.org/content/putin-crosses-the-lockerbie-line/25466517.html

"They claimed that an Su-25 Ukrainian fighter jet had tracked the Boeing 777 passenger jetliner prior to its crash and denied that Russia had provided separatists with antiaircraft systems -- or any other weapons.

The generals overlooked the fact that an Su-25 can fly at a maximum altitude of 7,000 meters without a payload of weapons and at 5,000 meters when fully armed. MH17 was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters.

Nevertheless, the allegation managed to muddy the waters for a bit. But hijacking a news cycle here and there won't be enough to change the predominant narrative that is quickly hardening as the evidence accumulates that MH17 was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile fired by pro-Russia separatists.

"Although the Crimean and Ukrainian operations have shown how effective even seemingly crude information warfare can be in distracting, bamboozling, and blunting Western concern, it is hard to see how Moscow can spin this one away," Mark Galeotti, an expert on Russia's security services at New York University and co-host of the Power Vertical Podcast, wrote in "Foreign Policy."
 
I clearly remember well examined pictures of Kurds getting gassed in Iraq by "chemical ali" and nobody has refuted that. Poison gas is clearly a WMD. Yet we keep hearing "no WMD in IRAQ".
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
What I don't understand is why did the Russians take the bodies away on a train? What was the purpose of that?


Probably only way to get refrigerated storage and transport in those conditions.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
http://voiceofrussia.com/uk/news/2014_07...ys-Russia-0170/

"US shares responsibility for Ukraine conflict and consequences, says Russia"


It gets better and better.
I said early on that Putin was trying to recreate the old USSR.
It appears that his mouthpieces are employing classic old-school Soviet style propaganda.
The US bears as much responsibility for the confluct in Ukraine as it does for the orbit of the objects in the Kuiper belt.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: dave1251
http://voiceofrussia.com/uk/news/2014_07...ys-Russia-0170/

"US shares responsibility for Ukraine conflict and consequences, says Russia"


It gets better and better.
I said early on that Putin was trying to recreate the old USSR.
It appears that his mouthpieces are employing classic old-school Soviet style propaganda.
The US bears as much responsibility for the confluct in Ukraine as it does for the orbit of the objects in the Kuiper belt.


Oh I agree. But to give you a piece of the old Soviet States perspective. My friend from Kazakhstan could not understand why there is an NATO presence in Afghanistan. According to the Soviets that rogue country of Afghanistan was pacified 20 years ago.

Pudding is putting on his best show for the brainwashed masses in Russia.
 
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