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#3433161 - 07/23/14 10:19 AM Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils.
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
Hi folks.

I am new here. I am comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic engine oils available for the european market.

The first one is this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mobil-Formula-151054-Fully-Synthetic/dp/B004RCNOBO

It says FULLY SYNTHETIC down there.

And the other one is this:
http://www.amazon.de/Mobil-Formula-5W-30-Motor%C3%B6l-Liter/dp/B008EX7N78/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1405005590&sr=8-2&keywords=mobil1+5w30+esp

Which says SHC SYNTHETIC TECHNOLOGY

Apparently the first one is promoted on the UK market and the second one on the German.
I am puzzled, because it is the same brand, the same viscosity, the same production facility it was made and still there is a difference on the label. Is it the same oil under different description OR are there differences between the ingredients and the technology? Is SHC fully synthetic?

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#3433177 - 07/23/14 10:35 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
Darwin1138 Offline


Registered: 01/07/14
Posts: 258
Loc: Mexico City
In Germany only if the oils are from group IV you are allowed to call them "synthetic". Synthetic technology implies that the oil is a group III. In short both oils are the same and they are not fully synthetic.
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#3433181 - 07/23/14 10:40 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 331
Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
They are both the same but in Germany they are not allowed to sell HC group III oil as full synthetic. This is not the case in rest of the world so elsewhere they sell them as synthetics. Would one consider groupe III oils as real synthetics is debatable. For sure they can perform good as PAO synthetics at lower price.
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99 FIAT Punto Sporting 16v (Mobil Super 3000x1 5w40)
06 FIAT Stilo MW 1.9 Multijet (Selenia WR 5w40)
93 Ford Escort 1.3 HCS (HDO 5w30)

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#3433185 - 07/23/14 10:47 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.


Edited by Proxyon (07/23/14 10:48 AM)

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#3433204 - 07/23/14 11:13 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 331
Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
I'm using this Mobil Super 3000 x1 in wife's Punto, not a bad oil but M1 you bought is in a different league. M1 use some PAO in it's base oil even though it isn't full synthetic. If you want cheaper but great oil consider Shell helix ultra in the future.


Edited by chrisri (07/23/14 11:15 AM)
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#3433222 - 07/23/14 11:29 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25927
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.

Pricing issues aside, the ESP is a low SAPS oil, required for modern diesel engines with DPF. Why would you even want it in your gasoline Accord to begin with?
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#3433229 - 07/23/14 11:32 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: chrisri]
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
So are you actually telling me that there is a real benefit in choosing M1 ESP "fully synthetic" instead of M3000 x1 that you use for your wife's car? Better for the car? Better milage? Postponed need for oil change? Change it on every 20000 kms instead of 10k?

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#3433230 - 07/23/14 11:34 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.

Pricing issues aside, the ESP is a low SAPS oil, required for modern diesel engines with DPF. Why would you even want it in your gasoline Accord to begin with?


Because it was promoted in the German sites as "GREAT SYNTHETIC OIL" for both diesel and gasoline engines!

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#3433237 - 07/23/14 11:40 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25927
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Postponed need for oil change? Change it on every 20000 kms instead of 10k?

Hardly. ESP has a lower add pack to protect DPF, so it won't last in service any longer than full SAPS oil. If anything, it'll actually be spent sooner.
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#3433239 - 07/23/14 11:40 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25927
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Because it was promoted in the German sites as "GREAT SYNTHETIC OIL" for both diesel and gasoline engines!

Sounds like great marketing. smile
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#3433242 - 07/23/14 11:41 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 331
Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.

Pricing issues aside, the ESP is a low SAPS oil, required for modern diesel engines with DPF. Why would you even want it in your gasoline Accord to begin with?


Some Euro petrols required mid saps c2 oils, like newer FIAT petrols. Not sure about Honda though.
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99 FIAT Punto Sporting 16v (Mobil Super 3000x1 5w40)
06 FIAT Stilo MW 1.9 Multijet (Selenia WR 5w40)
93 Ford Escort 1.3 HCS (HDO 5w30)

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#3433243 - 07/23/14 11:42 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Online   content


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1096
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.

Pricing issues aside, the ESP is a low SAPS oil, required for modern diesel engines with DPF. Why would you even want it in your gasoline Accord to begin with?

Actually, ESP is recommended for all gasoline engines in the EU.
ULSG, tough emission standards etc.
For example, VW dealerships are using VW504.00/507.00 in all DI engines in EU.
With gas in EU, ESP will not have any issues.
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10' VW CC 2.0T (M1 0W40+Mann)
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (M1 ESP 5W30+OEM Filter)

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#3433244 - 07/23/14 11:43 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
edyvw Online   content


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1096
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.

Where in Europe?
If it is EU, use it with no issues. What is oil change interval on that car?
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10' VW CC 2.0T (M1 0W40+Mann)
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (M1 ESP 5W30+OEM Filter)

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#3433246 - 07/23/14 11:46 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25927
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: edyvw

Actually, ESP is recommended for all gasoline engines in the EU.
ULSG, tough emission standards etc.
For example, VW dealerships are using VW504.00/507.00 in all DI engines in EU.

Yes, they do it to standardize and cover all their engines with a single spec. "One size fits all" kind of a thing, so that the dealership does not have to stock too many lubricants.

Quote:

With gas in EU, ESP will not have any issues.

I did not say he will have issues, but I wouldn't go out of my way and pay extra for it, because I don't think he'll gain much benefit in his gasoline Honda.

One thing this ESP does have going for it is very low NOACK though, so maybe that would help with oil consumption issues, if his engine experienced any.
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#3433249 - 07/23/14 11:48 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25927
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: edyvw
If it is EU, use it with no issues.

That wasn't the question. The question was: was it worth the extra money compared to another M1 product?

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