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#3437055 - 07/27/14 07:02 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: rossn2]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: rossn2
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Hardly. ESP has a lower add pack to protect DPF, so it won't last in service any longer than full SAPS oil. If anything, it'll actually be spent sooner


Really? This is interesting due to the fact the ESP meets the new Ram 1500 Ecodiesel spec, and has to last 10k miles between oil changes..

My response was to the OP who has a gasoline engine. My comment does not apply to diesel engines that use ULSD fuel.
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#3437083 - 07/27/14 07:50 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
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Besides, 10K miles isn't an overly long interval these days.
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#3437209 - 07/27/14 10:49 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
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Registered: 07/23/14
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I put the ESP, now I'll see how the engine goes. Still, I am a little concerned, perhaps for not choosing the best oil for a gasoline engine (I've heard about catalyst converter issues using ESP), but lets hope my Accord will like it. Will inform you how it goes with it.

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#3437213 - 07/27/14 10:55 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 2192
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: rossn2
Quote:
Hardly. ESP has a lower add pack to protect DPF, so it won't last in service any longer than full SAPS oil. If anything, it'll actually be spent sooner


Really? This is interesting due to the fact the ESP meets the new Ram 1500 Ecodiesel spec, and has to last 10k miles between oil changes..

My response was to the OP who has a gasoline engine. My comment does not apply to diesel engines that use ULSD fuel.

Yeah, but in EU they are using ULSG.
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#3437214 - 07/27/14 10:56 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
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Originally Posted By: Proxyon
I put the ESP, now I'll see how the engine goes. Still, I am a little concerned, perhaps for not choosing the best oil for a gasoline engine (I've heard about catalyst converter issues using ESP), but lets hope my Accord will like it. Will inform you how it goes with it.

What kind of issues?
If anything, ESP should be better.
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#3437236 - 07/27/14 11:30 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yeah, but in EU they are using ULSG.

My comment still stands. Weaker add pack = shorter possible OCI. That doesn't meant that ESP can't handle 10K miles in Europe. All it means is that non-ESP full SAPS oil could handle an even longer OCI.
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#3437359 - 07/27/14 01:26 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 07/23/14
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Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
I put the ESP, now I'll see how the engine goes. Still, I am a little concerned, perhaps for not choosing the best oil for a gasoline engine (I've heard about catalyst converter issues using ESP), but lets hope my Accord will like it. Will inform you how it goes with it.

What kind of issues?
If anything, ESP should be better.


Well, I became a little hesitant after some folks here asked me like: "Why did you choose ESP, it is mostly for diesel engines. You have better Mobil1 options for your gasoline engine." Not did they say it is bad for it, but I remained with the impressin that the ESP contains sulphur ingredients which are probably not the best alternative for a gasoline engine. I have the feeling the ESP is still OK, however not the best option.

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#3437388 - 07/27/14 01:48 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: Proxyon
I remained with the impressin that the ESP contains sulphur ingredients which are probably not the best alternative for a gasoline engine.

You've got it mixed up a little. It's the sulfur in gasoline that were were discussing, not sulfur in oil.

The problem with high sulfur in gasoline is that it can rapidly deplete additives in the oil, and since the ESP oil already starts with a reduced additive level, it may have its additives depleted sooner than a non-ESP (full SAPS) oil. Still, if you're not going to be running super long oil change intervals (like 20K miles), then no worries.

Besides, European fuel generally has very low levels of sulfur these days, so that's even less for you to worry about.

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#3437454 - 07/27/14 03:07 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
edyvw Offline


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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
I put the ESP, now I'll see how the engine goes. Still, I am a little concerned, perhaps for not choosing the best oil for a gasoline engine (I've heard about catalyst converter issues using ESP), but lets hope my Accord will like it. Will inform you how it goes with it.

What kind of issues?
If anything, ESP should be better.


Well, I became a little hesitant after some folks here asked me like: "Why did you choose ESP, it is mostly for diesel engines. You have better Mobil1 options for your gasoline engine." Not did they say it is bad for it, but I remained with the impressin that the ESP contains sulphur ingredients which are probably not the best alternative for a gasoline engine. I have the feeling the ESP is still OK, however not the best option.

ESP carries VW504.00 and 507.00 requirements. On is for diesel (507.00) one is for gasoline (504.00).
If you read on back of the bottle you will see that Mobil1 recommends that oil also for VW502.00 (which is requirement for older VW gasoline engines).
ESP has weaker additive pack, but also those additives that it has, are highly sophisticated. It is design to meet all emission standards in the EU, but also provide superb lubrication.
Where you got confused is that this is forum with the U.S. market in mind firstly. Those engines that are now on sale in the EU are also result of tough EU emission standards as well as very expensive gas. Since emission standards are tough, also EU dealt with gas manufacturers, so they are under strict rules what they can sell in the EU.
In the U.S. EPA is not as strict as the EU. Gas has much more sulfur, as well as corn ethanol. When that gas dilutes oil in new direct-injection engines, it simply starts to destroy additives in the oil, it degrades oil.
So in the U.S. drivers are still using old fashioned oils with full additive packs. Diesel is much better, so that is why VW, BMW, Mercedes etc are able to sell their diesel engines here and you can use oils such as ESP in those engines.
I use ESP in my VW CC, but I am still sending samples for lab tests because I am not sure how gas will affect oil. Also, I cut my OCI in half.
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#3437457 - 07/27/14 03:09 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Yeah, but in EU they are using ULSG.

My comment still stands. Weaker add pack = shorter possible OCI. That doesn't meant that ESP can't handle 10K miles in Europe. All it means is that non-ESP full SAPS oil could handle an even longer OCI.


It could. Not sure also.
On CC 2.0TSI engine in Germany, OCI is 25K km, using VW 504.00.
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#3437458 - 07/27/14 03:11 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: edyvw
On CC 2.0TSI engine in Germany, OCI is 25K km, using VW 504.00.

Yup. And maybe it could have been 35k km using VW 502.00. smile

I guess we'll never know.


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#3437514 - 07/27/14 04:15 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 2192
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
On CC 2.0TSI engine in Germany, OCI is 25K km, using VW 504.00.

Yup. And maybe it could have been 35k km using VW 502.00. smile

I guess we'll never know.



Agree, but those engines are design around Mid-SAPS and Low-SAPS oils, so using 502.00 would contribute to various issues, and some of them we are experiencing here.
So, yes, you could have longer OCI, but not worth of it.

In this case, nothing will happened, he just needs to switch to 0W30 after this OCI.


Edited by edyvw (07/27/14 04:30 PM)
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#3437558 - 07/27/14 05:08 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: edyvw
so using 502.00 would contribute to various issues,

What issues?

Quote:

In this case, nothing will happened, he just needs to switch to 0W30 after this OCI.

Agreed. I think we've all been saying this since the beginning, but somehow the OP became panicked.
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#3437920 - 07/27/14 09:54 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 2192
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
so using 502.00 would contribute to various issues,

What issues?

Quote:

In this case, nothing will happened, he just needs to switch to 0W30 after this OCI.

Agreed. I think we've all been saying this since the beginning, but somehow the OP became panicked.

Well obviously carbon deposits. Also, cat converters have prolonged life span.
Not sure how it affects emissions, but I would say there i a catch there too.
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#3440260 - 07/30/14 07:03 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
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Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1746
Loc: London, England
Since putting Mobil1 5w30 ESP C3 in my Jag i have not had the DPF light on once.(the one that tells you to go for a run down the road at 40 mph or more for a few miles)

Engine sounds the same as it did before.

Performance is the same.

Fuel economy is the same.

The vehicle has used no oil whatsoever in the several thousand miles since i did it, including a rare period of long journeys and running almost continuously for 10/12 hours.

Citreon spec 5w30 C2/C3.

Jag spec 5w30 C1 for the same engine(it is a Citroen engine not Ford of Jag)

I have used Mobil Super 3000 X1 FE for many thousands of miles.

In Ford Mondeo diesels, Volvo V50 diesel, my Pathfinder diesel and a mates Honda CR-V diesel.

All have used little oil if any.

The V50 and Mondeo had more than 200k.

The Pathfinder is on 123k

The CR-V was on just under 70k.

The Jag is on 111k.

Money no object i would use ESP.

If on a budget i would happily use Mobil Super.

But i would not run Mobil Super much past 8k or so.
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