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#3430813 - 07/21/14 03:08 AM Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils?
Leonardo629 Offline


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Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?

http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/

The specs link are not even available...and supposedly the oil came out three months ago? I'm especially interested in the 0W40 grade for my M3.
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#3430815 - 07/21/14 03:35 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
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I followed the link, it shows some overlap between US and Euro oils..
My question is: What do you guys class as Euro oils? Country of manufacture? ACEA but not API/Dexos? Add pack?

5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?
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#3430855 - 07/21/14 06:54 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Olas]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: Olas
My question is: What do you guys class as Euro oils? Country of manufacture? ACEA but not API/Dexos? Add pack?

ACEA A3/B4 and European car manufacturer specs.


Quote:

5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?

Not quite. Most of the 5w-30 oils sold in the US are resource conserving, low HT/HS oils. Such oils don't meet the requirements of most Euro manufacturers.

On other other hand, a Euro 5w-30 oil will be a thick 30 grade with HT/HS of at least 3.5 cP.
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#3430858 - 07/21/14 06:59 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Olas]
chrisri Offline


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Originally Posted By: Olas
I followed the link, it shows some overlap between US and Euro oils..
My question is: What do you guys class as Euro oils? Country of manufacture? ACEA but not API/Dexos? Add pack?

5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?


From what i understand US oils are something like ACEA A1/B1 with maximum HTHS of 2.9., and their Euro oils are with minimum HTHS of 3.5.
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#3430957 - 07/21/14 09:29 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
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BMW dealerships should be selling LL04/LL01 Penzoil in a couple of months being that the Castrol contract was not renewed.


Edited by BMWTurboDzl (07/21/14 09:32 AM)
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#3431975 - 07/22/14 07:59 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: chrisri]
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From what i understand US oils are something like ACEA A1/B1 with maximum HTHS of 2.9., and their Euro oils are with minimum HTHS of 3.5.


XXw-20 in the US is HTHS 2.6 min.

XXw-30 in the US is HTHS 2.9 min.

ACEA oils A1 and A5 oils are 2.9 to 3.5

ACEA oils A3 are 3.5 min

http://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/2012_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf

This is a helful tool in understanding euro standards...

http://lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdditives/ACEA/RelativePerformanceTool/default.html


Edited by BrianC (07/22/14 08:04 AM)
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#3431997 - 07/22/14 08:28 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
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Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?

http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/

The specs link are not even available...and supposedly the oil came out three months ago? I'm especially interested in the 0W40 grade for my M3.



I'm still holding out for Ultra Euro 0w40.
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#3432004 - 07/22/14 08:37 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Olas]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Olas
5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?

In addition to what others mentioned, there are also 5w-30 HDEOs, which are certainly not the same as North American ILSAC type 5w-30 grades.
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#3432208 - 07/22/14 11:49 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
route66mike Offline


Registered: 07/09/14
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Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?


With Mobil1 0w-40 and Castrol 0w-40 available at Walmart for cheap, it doesn't matter much what Pennzoil does. And Belgian/Germam Castrol 0w-30 at Autozone or PepBoys etc. for more.

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#3432595 - 07/22/14 06:09 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: route66mike]
edyvw Offline


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Originally Posted By: route66mike
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?


With Mobil1 0w-40 and Castrol 0w-40 available at Walmart for cheap, it doesn't matter much what Pennzoil does. And Belgian/Germam Castrol 0w-30 at Autozone or PepBoys etc. for more.

Yeah, Castrol obviously figured out that M1 0W40 is killing them in Euro market oil segment bcs of price and availability.
It seems Pennzoil still needs some time to come to same conclusion.
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#3432885 - 07/22/14 11:29 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
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There is a Pennzoil 0w40 oil sold in US Chrysler dealerships. Could it be considered a Euro oil?

I'm still going to use Castrol 0w40 anyway.
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#3432944 - 07/23/14 03:28 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: artificialist]
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Registered: 03/13/13
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Loc: Central Florida
Originally Posted By: artificialist
There is a Pennzoil 0w40 oil sold in US Chrysler dealerships. Could it be considered a Euro oil?




According to the PDS, No.

http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploa...sler-en-TDS.pdf
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#3433086 - 07/23/14 08:34 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: BrianC]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
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Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: BrianC
Originally Posted By: artificialist
There is a Pennzoil 0w40 oil sold in US Chrysler dealerships. Could it be considered a Euro oil?




According to the PDS, No.

http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploa...sler-en-TDS.pdf



I'm sure it could pass many of the Euro requirements. I would not have any hesitation using it in a Euro car that's spec'd for ACEA A3/B4, though obviously it carries no OEM approvals so a car still under warranty is probably not the smartest application.
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#3433101 - 07/23/14 08:59 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
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With a NOACK of 13%, it wouldn't be able to pass many of the Euro mfg approvals.
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#3433194 - 07/23/14 10:57 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
With a NOACK of 13%, it wouldn't be able to pass many of the Euro mfg approvals.

Yeah, seems more like Castrol 5W40 Made in USA.
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#3442467 - 08/01/14 04:51 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
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Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
BMW dealerships should be selling LL04/LL01 Penzoil in a couple of months being that the Castrol contract was not renewed.


BMW are having big problems with oil leaks (according to a tech that used to work at our place and is now a BMW tech), I wonder if that has something to do with the change?

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#3442655 - 08/01/14 09:59 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: riggaz]
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Originally Posted By: riggaz
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
BMW dealerships should be selling LL04/LL01 Penzoil in a couple of months being that the Castrol contract was not renewed.


BMW are having big problems with oil leaks (according to a tech that used to work at our place and is now a BMW tech), I wonder if that has something to do with the change?


Interesting note: With the BMW 5w-30 (Castrol product) in the sump my valve cover gaskets on the M5 leaked. I was thinking I had to replace them. As soon as I started running M1 0w-40, the leak stopped and hasn't returned shrug That has been a few years now.
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#3442679 - 08/01/14 10:22 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: OVERKILL]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
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The same thing happend when i changed from some HDEO to Mobil Super 3000x1 on wife's Punto. This car have gasket between head and cam deckel and is major pain to change it. Mobil stop the leak completely.
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#3442725 - 08/01/14 11:07 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: OVERKILL]
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It's not beyond the realm of possibility. He said literally every car that comes in for a service that's about 3-4 years or older he's guaranteed to find oil leaks.

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#3442858 - 08/01/14 01:12 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: riggaz]
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Registered: 04/15/10
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Loc: Atlanta,GA
Originally Posted By: riggaz
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
BMW dealerships should be selling LL04/LL01 Penzoil in a couple of months being that the Castrol contract was not renewed.


BMW are having big problems with oil leaks (according to a tech that used to work at our place and is now a BMW tech), I wonder if that has something to do with the change?


Naw. Gasket leaks are common for BMW'S. Especially valve cover and where the oil filter housing is attached to the block. I think it's the choice of material. Who knows... I think the leak around the oil filter housing is a result of over tightening the oil filter cap.


Edited by BMWTurboDzl (08/01/14 01:14 PM)
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#3442914 - 08/01/14 01:57 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
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Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Naw. Gasket leaks are common for BMW'S. Especially valve cover and where the oil filter housing is attached to the block. I think it's the choice of material.

This is my understanding as well. The materials they use become brittle over time and when subject to heat cycling, they eventually give in, much sooner than you'd expect them to.
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#3442932 - 08/01/14 02:16 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
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It is butyl rubber IIRC, at least for the VCG's. Ford uses Silcone gaskets and you know, they don't have VCG leaking problems smirk I've mentioned this in the past on a discussion about it.

Similar thing with the VANOS piston o-rings that get hard and stop sealing, the only car not affected by the problem was the M5 (conveniently) that had upgraded VITON seals factory.

BMW does some weird things. Gasket/seal material choice is one of those things.
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#3442964 - 08/01/14 03:09 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: OVERKILL]
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This is true, on friends late e46 rubber around windshield deteriorated heavily. Not cool for garaged premium German car.
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#3443198 - 08/01/14 07:13 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: chrisri]
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Originally Posted By: chrisri
This is true, on friends late e46 rubber around windshield deteriorated heavily. Not cool for garaged premium German car.


Something about a EU reg regarding biodegradable materials?
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#3443544 - 08/02/14 04:22 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: BMWTurboDzl]
chrisri Offline


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Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: chrisri
This is true, on friends late e46 rubber around windshield deteriorated heavily. Not cool for garaged premium German car.


Something about a EU reg regarding biodegradable materials?


Not sure, but i never saw window gaskets in such a poor condition on a newer car. Maybe from some car wash chemicals? Just gueesing really, but headlamps plastic cover deteriorates quickly on some cars also when washed in automated car wash.
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