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#3430813 - 07/21/14 03:08 AM Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils?
Leonardo629 Offline


Registered: 05/09/05
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Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?

http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/

The specs link are not even available...and supposedly the oil came out three months ago? I'm especially interested in the 0W40 grade for my M3.
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#3430815 - 07/21/14 03:35 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
Olas Offline


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I followed the link, it shows some overlap between US and Euro oils..
My question is: What do you guys class as Euro oils? Country of manufacture? ACEA but not API/Dexos? Add pack?

5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?
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#3430855 - 07/21/14 06:54 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Olas]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: Olas
My question is: What do you guys class as Euro oils? Country of manufacture? ACEA but not API/Dexos? Add pack?

ACEA A3/B4 and European car manufacturer specs.


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5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?

Not quite. Most of the 5w-30 oils sold in the US are resource conserving, low HT/HS oils. Such oils don't meet the requirements of most Euro manufacturers.

On other other hand, a Euro 5w-30 oil will be a thick 30 grade with HT/HS of at least 3.5 cP.
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#3430858 - 07/21/14 06:59 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Olas]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
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Loc: Fiume, EU
Originally Posted By: Olas
I followed the link, it shows some overlap between US and Euro oils..
My question is: What do you guys class as Euro oils? Country of manufacture? ACEA but not API/Dexos? Add pack?

5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?


From what i understand US oils are something like ACEA A1/B1 with maximum HTHS of 2.9., and their Euro oils are with minimum HTHS of 3.5.
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#3430957 - 07/21/14 09:29 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
BMWTurboDzl Offline


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BMW dealerships should be selling LL04/LL01 Penzoil in a couple of months being that the Castrol contract was not renewed.


Edited by BMWTurboDzl (07/21/14 09:32 AM)
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#3431975 - 07/22/14 07:59 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: chrisri]
BrianC Offline


Registered: 03/13/13
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From what i understand US oils are something like ACEA A1/B1 with maximum HTHS of 2.9., and their Euro oils are with minimum HTHS of 3.5.


XXw-20 in the US is HTHS 2.6 min.

XXw-30 in the US is HTHS 2.9 min.

ACEA oils A1 and A5 oils are 2.9 to 3.5

ACEA oils A3 are 3.5 min

http://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/2012_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf

This is a helful tool in understanding euro standards...

http://lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdditives/ACEA/RelativePerformanceTool/default.html


Edited by BrianC (07/22/14 08:04 AM)
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#3431997 - 07/22/14 08:28 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13031
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?

http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/

The specs link are not even available...and supposedly the oil came out three months ago? I'm especially interested in the 0W40 grade for my M3.



I'm still holding out for Ultra Euro 0w40.
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#3432004 - 07/22/14 08:37 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Olas]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Olas
5w30 is 5w30 no matter where you buy it or use it. RIght?

In addition to what others mentioned, there are also 5w-30 HDEOs, which are certainly not the same as North American ILSAC type 5w-30 grades.
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#3432208 - 07/22/14 11:49 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
route66mike Offline


Registered: 07/09/14
Posts: 147
Loc: Ft. Collins
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?


With Mobil1 0w-40 and Castrol 0w-40 available at Walmart for cheap, it doesn't matter much what Pennzoil does. And Belgian/Germam Castrol 0w-30 at Autozone or PepBoys etc. for more.

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#3432595 - 07/22/14 06:09 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: route66mike]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: route66mike
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Will we ever see the new Pennzoil Platinum Euro grades?


With Mobil1 0w-40 and Castrol 0w-40 available at Walmart for cheap, it doesn't matter much what Pennzoil does. And Belgian/Germam Castrol 0w-30 at Autozone or PepBoys etc. for more.

Yeah, Castrol obviously figured out that M1 0W40 is killing them in Euro market oil segment bcs of price and availability.
It seems Pennzoil still needs some time to come to same conclusion.
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#3432885 - 07/22/14 11:29 PM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
artificialist Offline


Registered: 09/23/07
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There is a Pennzoil 0w40 oil sold in US Chrysler dealerships. Could it be considered a Euro oil?

I'm still going to use Castrol 0w40 anyway.
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#3432944 - 07/23/14 03:28 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: artificialist]
BrianC Offline


Registered: 03/13/13
Posts: 262
Loc: Central Florida
Originally Posted By: artificialist
There is a Pennzoil 0w40 oil sold in US Chrysler dealerships. Could it be considered a Euro oil?




According to the PDS, No.

http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploa...sler-en-TDS.pdf
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#3433086 - 07/23/14 08:34 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: BrianC]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13031
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: BrianC
Originally Posted By: artificialist
There is a Pennzoil 0w40 oil sold in US Chrysler dealerships. Could it be considered a Euro oil?




According to the PDS, No.

http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploa...sler-en-TDS.pdf



I'm sure it could pass many of the Euro requirements. I would not have any hesitation using it in a Euro car that's spec'd for ACEA A3/B4, though obviously it carries no OEM approvals so a car still under warranty is probably not the smartest application.
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#3433101 - 07/23/14 08:59 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Leonardo629]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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With a NOACK of 13%, it wouldn't be able to pass many of the Euro mfg approvals.
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#3433194 - 07/23/14 10:57 AM Re: Will we ever see Pennzoil Platinum Euro oils? [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 2836
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
With a NOACK of 13%, it wouldn't be able to pass many of the Euro mfg approvals.

Yeah, seems more like Castrol 5W40 Made in USA.
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