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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The US mass media is owned by corporations, which in turn own the US gov't. The US media never says anything "bad" about our leaders because they are bought and paid for.

I guess we Canadians get a different Fox News and different talking heads on CNN than they do in the States.
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The US mass media is owned by corporations, which in turn own the US gov't. The US media never says anything "bad" about our leaders because they are bought and paid for.

I guess we Canadians get a different Fox News and different talking heads on CNN than they do in the States.
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Obviously antiqueshell has not read NBC's "Meet the Press" transcript from this morning. NBC does not have the reputation of an overly critical network to President Obama.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
The US mass media is owned by corporations, which in turn own the US gov't. The US media never says anything "bad" about our leaders because they are bought and paid for.

I guess we Canadians get a different Fox News and different talking heads on CNN than they do in the States.
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We must. I've never seen any Fox News program that wasn't trashing Obama and the current administration.
Huh?
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Go find a uncensored political forum and let me know i will joint and go at it with you all day.
Time to move on.


Since you've made no substantive answer, I guess that there isn't one.
The simple fact that toward the end of the war German troops fled to the American lines to surrender to them rather than fall into the hands of the Red Army is really all anyone needs to know.
This is historical fact, not just a theory.
 
WWII is all you have? America and the USSR were different places 70 years ago than today.
The war was fought much differently against the Soviets than the USA or Britain or did the Germans inflict a scorched earth policy on America that we all missed?
Why go into WWII history or the DDR, it is irrelevant today.

The only political difference today between the US and Russia is one is a sudo socialist state and the other a sudo Democratic state you figure which one applies.
This thread is going nowhere and its getting way too political.
 
The downing of flight MH17 could be a blessing for Ukraine. Putin may reconsider an annexation of a new Russian province while there is significant international pressure about the extent of Russian responsibility in destabilizing Ukraine.

The state controlled media in Russia is having difficulties to come up with conspiracy theories to dismiss Russia's involvement of shooting down MH17.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


Thanks for that response, FJ. It is sadly true that history is re-written often, and if repeated enough the story becomes accepted as fact.


And who owns the all the major Western publishing houses?
You know the ones who essentially "write" the history books because they decide which ones to publish?
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Perhaps when your ideological fervor dissipates you'll realize I was not specific about what is re-written. It happens a lot, not just in specific areas we watch...
 
On the contrary, history is absolutely relevant to the manner in which a nation state evolves.
The only reason that Germany didn't inflict a scorched earth policy on the UK and the US is that they lacked the means to do so, although they tried in the case of Britain.
The US and Britain did, of course, do all that they could to destroy Germany, but when the war was won, both nations allowed it to recede into the past.
If you really believe what you've written about the differences between Russia and the US today, I really don't know what to say.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
All i have to say is it has taken 6 years to undo 232 years of greatness and throw it in the trash along with the Constitution!


Now your true colors are showing up. Not sure if this partisanship or just plain racism.

This country has been declining since late 60's early 70's since Vietnam war and dollar decoupling from gold. The great Regan years was an illusion due to declining oil prices, decrease in inflation, and great debt boom (huge increase in government debt). The recent economic problems started in early 2000's when 2 unfunded wars were started and financial elites decided to accumulate wealth no matter what and no one stopped them. That created the 2008 economic crises that will go to history books. The massive NSA expansion and programs started before 2008, too.

To blame all that on the last 6 years is being hypocrite in the best case scenario.

But no worry, everything is according to the schedule. USA is following the same script Rome did nearly 2000 years.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Now your true colors are showing up. Not sure if this partisanship or just plain racism.

Don't let your anger get the better of you. Throwing the racist card around is really a low blow but typical against anyone who dares to question the regime (not a single person).
I have nothing personal against Mr Obama, he might be the nicest guy in the world and i certainly have nothing against his race. He could be purple for all i care. I don't like the mans politics. Period.
 
I can't imagine anyone liking him after his complete lack of action of any kind. But the race card? That kool aid must be very sweet.

Amateurs is the best description i have ever heard and extremely apropos.

But I would agree that these guys are all puppets of their corporate masters, it is impossible to distinguish between them easily...
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I can't imagine anyone liking him after his complete lack of action of any kind.


This.

Good leadership requires at times requires immediate action.

"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing."
Theodore Roosevelt
 
Well, unfortunately, since he is not for re-election, how would you be able to answer the question as to how many people still like him? What would you do if his successor turns out to be somebody who is even more hated by people like you? Are you going to still repeat "I can't imagine anyone liking her!"

Looks like moderators are on vacation here ...
 
It would be a shame if this particular thread was closed. Information about this Russian incursion has provided many valuable lessons and offers a viewpoint of many different diverse people.
 
My only complaint is the current office holder largely critiqued his predecessor, then continued doing the largely the same thing.

I do agree, we are on the path Rome took 2000 years ago. It's not one party or the other, it's the idea that DC knows best, regardless who is in office.

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Trav
All i have to say is it has taken 6 years to undo 232 years of greatness and throw it in the trash along with the Constitution!


Now your true colors are showing up. Not sure if this partisanship or just plain racism.

This country has been declining since late 60's early 70's since Vietnam war and dollar decoupling from gold. The great Regan years was an illusion due to declining oil prices, decrease in inflation, and great debt boom (huge increase in government debt). The recent economic problems started in early 2000's when 2 unfunded wars were started and financial elites decided to accumulate wealth no matter what and no one stopped them. That created the 2008 economic crises that will go to history books. The massive NSA expansion and programs started before 2008, too.

To blame all that on the last 6 years is being hypocrite in the best case scenario.

But no worry, everything is according to the schedule. USA is following the same script Rome did nearly 2000 years.
 
I believe Hitler and his subordinates thought he could entice Britain and the US to join him. He definitely felt differently about them than he did the Russians. I'm sure that too, as well as the geographic constraints, impacted how he approached war on each front.

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
On the contrary, history is absolutely relevant to the manner in which a nation state evolves.
The only reason that Germany didn't inflict a scorched earth policy on the UK and the US is that they lacked the means to do so, although they tried in the case of Britain.
The US and Britain did, of course, do all that they could to destroy Germany, but when the war was won, both nations allowed it to recede into the past.
If you really believe what you've written about the differences between Russia and the US today, I really don't know what to say.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Now your true colors are showing up. Not sure if this partisanship or just plain racism.

Don't let your anger get the better of you. Throwing the racist card around is really a low blow but typical against anyone who dares to question the regime (not a single person).
I have nothing personal against Mr Obama, he might be the nicest guy in the world and i certainly have nothing against his race. He could be purple for all i care. I don't like the mans politics. Period.


Indeed, the point is that it doesn't matter which side of the filthy coin is "in charge" at the time in the USA, the entire government is controlled by ONE entity that uses the ILLUSION of different parties to create the "PERCEPTION" of choice, and difference, when in fact it is ALL part of the same
cabal, controlled by globalist banking and financial interests which do NOT act according to the Supreme Law Of The Land,
(US Constitution) and as a result injure and damage US citizens as well....

It is called TYRANNY.


One of the last bastions of resistance to these globalist and cabalistic interests lie in Russia, Iran, and other small nations that refuse to let the IMF control their money systems.


An interesting aside...

Go take a look at the Ukraine 500 currency note..

what do we see?


It has the blatant illuminist symbol showing the eye of Horus inside the outline of the pyramid.

Of course our US dollar bill has a more subtle version of this on the reverse side with just the pyramid and cap stone.
 
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Do you really have so little faith in the resiliancy of your adopted country?
We have survived worse and come out the better for it.
The current administration is playing a very tough hand dealt to the previous one and then passed across the table.
I'm trying to avoid politics, but there is plenty of finger pointing on all sides of the arena here as well as everywhere else.
I don't see our current government as doing any more or less to trash our historic traditions than any one of the past couple of centuries or so.
Putin and his personality cult government is another matter.
When did you last see an American head of state posing for glamour shots, just as an example?
 
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