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#3428683 - 07/18/14 06:46 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Danh]
Nick R Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
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Loc: NEO
Originally Posted By: KitaCam
I know it sounds ultra complex...."updated software"...for a clutch, but it is important in these computer driven engines...

The dealer had an entire new clutch installed before I got the Kitacamry...new physical components as well as master and slave cylinders and electronics...this replaced a 2nd clutch that failed after an indie shop install...

....after 22k miles it's as smooth as silk...


Sure, but in my case, it's because I'm driving a DCT, or automated manual with two clutches, so it's all computer controlled.

Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: pbm
I changed the FF ATF (a D&R which only replaces about half the fluid) in my 2011 Cruze at 25K using Castrol Dex VI and approx. 14 ounces of LG red. I now have 32K and she never shifted better.
I don't know if it's the LG but it's much smoother and far less notchy. I recommend LG highly.


LG seems to be a good product, but it surely isn't for use in a dual clutch transmission like the OP's. DCTs use a fluid much more akin to those in a manual gearbox and each DCT manufacturer seems to have its own particular formula. Ford's factory fill has a change interval of 150,000 miles - I wouldn't use anything but the Motorcraft fluid.


Yeah. I'm just happy the factory fluid got taken out and replaced, which is mainly my concern. I probably won't get it changed again, until if I have it all the way to 150k miles.
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#3428930 - 07/19/14 12:21 AM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Nick R]
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Here is a good video of the procedure. This guy has some great Ford videos.

Hold on.. tech issues
need to figure out how to post link



Edited by 1kickbuttranger (07/19/14 12:23 AM)
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#3428931 - 07/19/14 12:24 AM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Nick R]
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#3429064 - 07/19/14 07:20 AM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Nick R]
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I suppose it's good that Ford honors the warranty. That being said, I'd be rather unhappy with an 18 month old vehicle that needed repairs that were that extensive. That's quality I would have expected in the 1970's, not in the 2010's.

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#3429086 - 07/19/14 07:46 AM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Pop_Rivit]
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Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
I suppose it's good that Ford honors the warranty. That being said, I'd be rather unhappy with an 18 month old vehicle that needed repairs that were that extensive. That's quality I would have expected in the 1970's, not in the 2010's.


Every single OEM out there has replaced engines and transmissions on brand-new vehicles. Mass-produced and complicated machines like cars still get some parts that slip through quality control. It happens. That's what the warranty is there for.
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#3429251 - 07/19/14 11:53 AM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Pop_Rivit]
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Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
I suppose it's good that Ford honors the warranty. That being said, I'd be rather unhappy with an 18 month old vehicle that needed repairs that were that extensive. That's quality I would have expected in the 1970's, not in the 2010's.

This IS the gorilla in the room that everybody seems to ignore.
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#3429275 - 07/19/14 12:28 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: andrewg]
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Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 595
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
I suppose it's good that Ford honors the warranty. That being said, I'd be rather unhappy with an 18 month old vehicle that needed repairs that were that extensive. That's quality I would have expected in the 1970's, not in the 2010's.

This IS the gorilla in the room that everybody seems to ignore.

Of course no one wants it to be their car that has the issues but new technology has a learning curve.

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#3429335 - 07/19/14 02:31 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: andrewg]
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
I suppose it's good that Ford honors the warranty. That being said, I'd be rather unhappy with an 18 month old vehicle that needed repairs that were that extensive. That's quality I would have expected in the 1970's, not in the 2010's.

This IS the gorilla in the room that everybody seems to ignore.


The way the two posts above me are worded, one would think that a new car shouldn't have problems just because it's new. New does not equal problem-free. All it means is that it's quite a bit more likely to have fewer issues, and that those issues which are caused by a design or manufacturing error will be corrected at no additional cost to the purchaser.

All new cars have problems. Ours did, and they were fixed under warranty, including a few that could have turned into show-stoppers had they not been fixed in time.

New cars have been generally getting more reliable over the past decade. That still doesn't mean they're perfect.
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#3429391 - 07/19/14 04:12 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Nick R]
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Yet it's stated by someone who runs a used Hyundai elantra. Right, like no Hyundai has needed warranty repair on new subsystems. It's only a company that has to offer a longer than typical warranty because of the consumer vote of non-confidence otherwise.

I wouldn't worry about the odd logic.

It sucks that repairs are necessary on such a new vehicle, but there are manufacturing variabilities and these things do happen.

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#3429453 - 07/19/14 05:26 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: Nick R]
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Our A4 needed its CVT replaced at 12k miles. When it was replaced they put in an updated unit with more clutch discs (7 vs 6?), the replacement worked better from day 1 and we had no further troubles with the CVT. Early adoption has a price.
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#3429628 - 07/19/14 09:12 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: 1kickbuttranger]
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Originally Posted By: 1kickbuttranger


Just watched it, that was fantastic. Thanks for the video.
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#3429813 - 07/20/14 02:26 AM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: JHZR2]
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Yet it's stated by someone who runs a used Hyundai elantra. Right, like no Hyundai has needed warranty repair on new subsystems. It's only a company that has to offer a longer than typical warranty because of the consumer vote of non-confidence otherwise.

I wouldn't worry about the odd logic.

It sucks that repairs are necessary on such a new vehicle, but there are manufacturing variabilities and these things do happen.


Agreed, particularly with something that is this "new" for an OEM. This isn't like Ford was putting a 5R110 behind the engine in the Focus; their HD trannies are something they've been extremely good at in the past. This is something the Germans have been dabbling in for quite some time (semi-automatic AT's) but not Ford. So it is to be expected that there would be at least a few growing pains. And if it is covered under warranty and not a gross inconvenience, well shrug
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#3429959 - 07/20/14 08:45 AM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
This is something the Germans have been dabbling in for quite some time (semi-automatic AT's) but not Ford. So it is to be expected that there would be at least a few growing pains. And if it is covered under warranty and not a gross inconvenience, well shrug


The interesting thing is that IIRC this tranny was developed with ZF (or Getrag) so it should be decent.

But stuff happens. When I had my Infiniti G35 back in 2004, there were stories of engines being replaced in them too. As well as 6MT's that were replaced.

It happens - it's how it's handled that's the most important thing!

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#3430146 - 07/20/14 12:06 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: itguy08]
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Registered: 08/15/05
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Loc: Lexington, KY
Originally Posted By: itguy08
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It happens - it's how it's handled that's the most important thing!

For sure. How the dealer takes care of the problem and their customer makes a huge difference in customer satisfaction.

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#3431346 - 07/21/14 04:13 PM Re: Focus new clutch, and updated software [Re: itguy08]
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Originally Posted By: itguy08


But stuff happens. When I had my Infiniti G35 back in 2004, there were stories of engines being replaced in them too. As well as 6MT's that were replaced.

It happens - it's how it's handled that's the most important thing!


Yes, infiniti replaced a lot of engines for oil consumption, primarily in cars with 6mt's, also the early 6mt's were redesigned with stronger 3rd and 5th gear synchros.

Probably a small percentage of the zillions on the road had any problems.
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