9MM Suggestions

[Win]

Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Originally Posted By: Win
The Walther P99AS is striker fired, DA/SA, and has a decocker.

It's a terrific handgun for anyone wanting a striker fired polymer gun.


How can it be both striker fired ...AND DA/SA? Something new here I've never heard of?


Not that new. I got mine a year or two following Mr. Obama's coronation. That seems like a long time ago. It might have been new then.

I believe it was Agent Bond's gun in the Casino Royale movie.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Win
I believe it was Agent Bond's gun in the Casino Royale movie.

It was first used by Bond in "Tomorrow Never Dies", then in "The World is Not Enough", again in "Die Another Day", and finally in "Casino Royale". He switched back to the familiar PPK in "Quantum of Solace" and "Skyfall".

See here for full list of movies with P99 in it --> Walther P99 in Films

 

[Hokiefyd]

Pardon my ignorance, but if DA/SA is well-proven as a hammer-fired design, what is the benefit of designing a DA/SA striker-fired pistol? I thought the main attraction of a striker-fired design was that crisp trigger with a consistent break every time, first round 'till last round; no? On the other hand, strikers are certainly more compact (or seem so) than hammers, with no external appendages hanging off.

 

[zerosoma]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Pardon my ignorance, but if DA/SA is well-proven as a hammer-fired design, what is the benefit of designing a DA/SA striker-fired pistol? I thought the main attraction of a striker-fired design was that crisp trigger with a consistent break every time, first round 'till last round; no? On the other hand, strikers are certainly more compact (or seem so) than hammers, with no external appendages hanging off.


^

Also a point I was going to make if there was such a thing.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Pardon my ignorance, but if DA/SA is well-proven as a hammer-fired design, what is the benefit of designing a DA/SA striker-fired pistol? I thought the main attraction of a striker-fired design was that crisp trigger with a consistent break every time, first round 'till last round; no? On the other hand, strikers are certainly more compact (or seem so) than hammers, with no external appendages hanging off.

Some people prefer a dreadful long and heavy trigger pull on the first shot. That's all I can figure. When I moved away from DA/SA guns I was much happier.

 

[Win]

The Walther is about as far from dreadful as you can get.

And there are many excellent DAO semiauto handguns. The Sig P250 line comes immediately to mind.

 

[hatt]

It may not be dreadful but it's certainly not ideal. Training for two very different trigger pulls doesn't make any sense. And your first and most important shot having the worst pull. Just nothing to like. DAO is a different animal. Like DA revolvers.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Some people prefer a dreadful long and heavy trigger pull on the first shot. That's all I can figure. When I moved away from DA/SA guns I was much happier.


I get that...but if Walther set out to design a DA/SA gun, why didn't they make it hammer-fired, which is long proven as a reliable DA/SA system?

I think, however, that I might be able to answer my own question. It looks like the P99AS is an adaptation of the pre-existing (and very much striker-fired) P99. They just adapted a DA mode into an existing gun. Interesting.

 

[zerosoma]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Pardon my ignorance, but if DA/SA is well-proven as a hammer-fired design, what is the benefit of designing a DA/SA striker-fired pistol? I thought the main attraction of a striker-fired design was that crisp trigger with a consistent break every time, first round 'till last round; no? On the other hand, strikers are certainly more compact (or seem so) than hammers, with no external appendages hanging off.

Some people prefer a dreadful long and heavy trigger pull on the first shot. That's all I can figure. When I moved away from DA/SA guns I was much happier.


Well... to be correct here it's not the DA design that's solely responsible for a "dreadfully long" trigger pull. It's how the manufacturer designs the length of pull in the trigger and how hard it pulls. There are some DA triggers that are delightful. Others not so much.

Generally a striker trigger will be crisper but that's because it's designed to be. But some are better than others

 

[hatt]

No matter how good the DA pull is, you still have two vastly different trigger pulls. Not good for training. Back when that was what we had it may make sense to deal with it. We have moved on and have other improved systems.