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#3421886 - 07/11/14 04:27 PM Traction control/ stability control safer car?
Corollaman Offline


Registered: 11/20/13
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Loc: Eastern Wa
We have a 2005 Caravan that does not have traction control or stability control, how much safer are newer cars that do have these systems?

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#3421889 - 07/11/14 04:31 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Up to the limit of tire friction, better. Then when you lose it you're like ???

I tried to help someone out of our parking lot; she had new but cheezy all season tires and it wouldn't even spin them on snow/ slush due to the traction control. I had the pedal floored and it sat there at 1500 RPM.

I guess if you get stranded at home or work b/c your car won't try to move, that's "safer". mad

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#3421890 - 07/11/14 04:35 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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They are safer. How much safer? I'd have to go read up and find whatever official documents exist.

That said, how many Caravan's have you seen in the ditch? I've seen relatively few. IMO vehicle stability control (VSC) is important on trucks/SUV's, or perhaps more properly, more important for those top-heavy vehicles. Is it helpful on other cars? Sure. Critical? Myself, I am not shopping on the basis of that. I'm content with airbags, ABS and crumple zones.

I wouldn't trade out of an '05 just because of lack of VSC. Lack of ABS, age, high miles, general distrust of vehicle, or general dislike of vehicle, sure. But I think VSC is chasing diminishing returns in terms of safety.

But that's just my opinion.
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#3421893 - 07/11/14 04:36 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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eljefino has a point about the traction control, I forgot about that. In my truck, I often have to turn TC off or it won't move in snow. Oddly enough, my Camry is fine with TC on pretty much always--the programming is vastly different. My truck is RWD, Camry is FWD, so they apparently are allowing more wheelspin in that. At least for my age Camry. Snow tires are still recommended, even with TC.
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#3421895 - 07/11/14 04:42 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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I think it's hard to directly prove that those systems are safer. Police reports don't really have a checkbox for, "did vehicle crash because it did not have stability control."

The way I see it is this: nothing is foolproof, but in a panic situation, most people would not know how to keep the car out of a ditch. There are lots of e-thugs on the auto enthusiast websites that like to brag how they drive around with those things turned off ("I know what I'm doing, those systems just annoy me"), which seems pretty stupid.

I like to think of myself as a skilled driver that can handle my car at the limits, and even I have been saved a few times by those electronic nannies.
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#3421903 - 07/11/14 04:56 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Its safer for people who don't know how to drive, or tend to panic. I personally think its a nuisance.
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#3421942 - 07/11/14 05:36 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Registered: 06/04/13
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Loc: iowa
Since we are out of snow, find a wide open wet parking lot, and try and lose control of your car. It will make you a believer of stability control. Anything new, you have to try it out with practice, not in a panic situation. And, yes, in deep snow, if you can, turn off the traction control. Practice, don't guess.

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#3421946 - 07/11/14 05:41 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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How much safer is a car with ABS than an older one without it?
How much safer is a car with a dozen airbags than one with only two?
An economist published a paper years ago in which he suggested that vehicle safety enhancements only encouraged people to take chances beyond what they would have taken without them.
IOW, the final level of safety ended up being the same.
Drivers simply relied upon the nannies to keep them safe in situations where they would have otherwise used more discretion.
If you really want to research this, vehicle fatal injury rates by year can be found with a little searching.
I think you'll find that the type of vehicle is far more significant than the presence of any particular tech.
Minivans are far and away the safest passenger vehicles on the road by fatal injury rates, incidentally.
Is it the vehicles themselves, or is it the personally secure, mature types who normally drive them?
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#3421950 - 07/11/14 05:46 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Meh ,if you if really know to drive, you won't be putting the car into situations where the nanny-ware engages. Brakes either. grin2
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#3421998 - 07/11/14 06:31 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: andyd]
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Originally Posted By: andyd
Meh ,if you if really know to drive, you won't be putting the car into situations where the nanny-ware engages.

Sadly, this is where the industry is going. More and more nannies to make up for people's lack of driving skills and for all the distractions that we subject ourselves to. And with each generation, the general population's ability to actually drive will continue to diminish, until finally most will not know how to do it at all and we'll all be relying on our cars' computers to take us from A to B. The technology is already here, but not yet ready for prime... but soon.
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#3422009 - 07/11/14 06:50 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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I personally think that it does help in certain situations even for skilled drivers .... and options like hill descent are priceless sometimes ... try doing that manually ...

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#3422014 - 07/11/14 06:55 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Quattro Pete]
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

Sadly, this is where the industry is going. More and more nannies to make up for people's lack of driving skills and for all the distractions that we subject ourselves to. And with each generation, the general population's ability to actually drive will continue to diminish, until finally most will not know how to do it at all and we'll all be relying on our cars' computers to take us from A to B. The technology is already here, but not yet ready for prime... but soon.


That's the problem with society as a whole; people are too lazy or stupid to learn to do things properly. They want a quick fix that doesn't require any significant effort or thought on their part. And more and more they expect the Nanny State to supply the fix.
Read The Marching Morons if you want a textbook example of speculative fiction becoming fact.
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#3422022 - 07/11/14 07:04 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
Seb Offline


Registered: 01/27/08
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Loc: Matawan, NJ
Much safer. The people that are telling you that its worthless nanny gear are a bunch of Luddites. I bet there still mad about fuel injection and unleaded gasoline. Doesn't mean your car is a deathtrap but you just need to be more vigilant about driving in nasty conditions if you don't have it.

Here is 5th gear explaining and testing traction and stability control. LINK
Today cars traction control is a part of stability control. Wasn't always the case, my moms 2001 ES300 has traction control but does not have stability control, it was a optional that you had to pay extra for if you wanted it.

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#3422023 - 07/11/14 07:04 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: eljefino]
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Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 6357
Loc: Northern Kentucky
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Up to the limit of tire friction, better. Then when you lose it you're like ???

I tried to help someone out of our parking lot; she had new but cheezy all season tires and it wouldn't even spin them on snow/ slush due to the traction control. I had the pedal floored and it sat there at 1500 RPM.

I guess if you get stranded at home or work b/c your car won't try to move, that's "safer". mad


Most systems that don't have a disable switch will disable if you put them in 1,2 or low depending on the brand.

Traction control isn't going to help in snow unless you've got some serious snow tires on awd
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#3422040 - 07/11/14 07:27 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: MCompact]
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete

Sadly, this is where the industry is going. More and more nannies to make up for people's lack of driving skills and for all the distractions that we subject ourselves to. And with each generation, the general population's ability to actually drive will continue to diminish, until finally most will not know how to do it at all and we'll all be relying on our cars' computers to take us from A to B. The technology is already here, but not yet ready for prime... but soon.


That's the problem with society as a whole; people are too lazy or stupid to learn to do things properly. They want a quick fix that doesn't require any significant effort or thought on their part. And more and more they expect the Nanny State to supply the fix.
Read The Marching Morons if you want a textbook example of speculative fiction becoming fact.


I think that it's safe to say that everyone here really enjoys cars and the act of driving.
I know that I enjoy almost every mile, whether I'm trying to drive fast or just see whether I can drive carefully enough and avoid enough braking to gain a best-ever mpg average out of a tank of fuel.
Many, maybe most of us drove crazy in our youths.
We learned a lot about car control in the process and we feel confident and tuned in under any conditions today.
Not everyone thinks that way.
They may need to drive to get where they need to go, but the act of driving is no more than an irritating distraction from the phone glued to their ears or the screen before their eyes on which they're busily answering texts or emails.
Driving in any machine is really fun, but many people have never grasped that.
For them, more automation is something desirable.
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#3422051 - 07/11/14 07:44 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: asand1]
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Registered: 10/23/05
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Originally Posted By: asand1
Its safer for people who don't know how to drive, or tend to panic. I personally think its a nuisance.


+1. IMO over time it can degrade a driver's skill, as they start to rely on it more and more. I am willing to say that most new drivers today don't know how to handle a vehicle without it.
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#3422071 - 07/11/14 08:01 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 7043
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GM needed to make a notice on modern Corvettes stating something like Traction control makes the most of a low traction situation, but it can't be depended on careless or illegal driving.

I guess they were threatened by legal action by people who crashed and thought that traction control made the car 100% safe in any situation.
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#3422080 - 07/11/14 08:06 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
LT4 Vette Offline


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Posts: 12835
Loc: USA
Just because a car has all those safety features, doesn't make the a *better* driver.

I've seen so called 'experienced' drivers wreck their car at the track.

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#3422081 - 07/11/14 08:06 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: artificialist]
Kuato Offline


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Originally Posted By: artificialist
GM needed to make a notice on modern Corvettes stating something like Traction control makes the most of a low traction situation, but it can't be depended on careless or illegal driving.

I guess they were threatened by legal action by people who crashed and thought that traction control made the car 100% safe in any situation.


I have seen a newer owner's manual that states something to the effect it can help in an emergency situation, but cannot overcome the laws of physics.

See Scotty's comment here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trekkin'

laugh
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#3422129 - 07/11/14 08:56 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: eljefino]
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Up to the limit of tire friction, better. Then when you lose it you're like ???

I tried to help someone out of our parking lot; she had new but cheezy all season tires and it wouldn't even spin them on snow/ slush due to the traction control. I had the pedal floored and it sat there at 1500 RPM.

I guess if you get stranded at home or work b/c your car won't try to move, that's "safer". mad


Or you slide through an intersection because ABS won't let the tires skid to help stop at low speesd ...
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#3422143 - 07/11/14 09:09 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Amen to the above

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#3422177 - 07/11/14 09:59 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
thrace Offline


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Posts: 331
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ESC helps more often than it hurts safety. Have not disposed of old cars that do not have ESC because they do not have ESC but would prefer ESC if buying a new or used car today.

" There are significant reductions in fatal crash rates when passenger vehicles are
equipped with ESC. ESC leads to reductions especially
for fatal single-vehicle crashes, but there also are
reductions for fatal multiple-vehicle crashes. As
ESC has expanded from sports and luxury vehicles into
the general fleet, the overall estimate of its effectiv
eness has declined by appr
oximately 10 percentage
points compared with an earlier estimate using identical
statistical procedures. However, it still is one of
the most effective technologies yet developed for preventing serious crashes. "

http://www.iihs.org/frontend/iihs/documents/masterfiledocs.ashx?id=1740

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#3422348 - 07/12/14 05:06 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 15432
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: Corollaman
We have a 2005 Caravan that does not have traction control or stability control, how much safer are newer cars that do have these systems?


Hugely platform dependent. All cars do not use the same software or hardware, and programming varies hugely by mfgr and model. ABS cyclic speeds are also hugely different from car model to model. Some cars have complete control of the engine and transmission. Newer ones can stop you and some can even alter the course of the car to match up with the steering angle. And more and more...

There is no doubt that it makes the average lowest common denominator type of driver a bit safer.

At Skip Barber class we were taught to use the stability control system on my car as a training aid. If you felt intervention it meant you were not smooth enough! But that is a 'performance tuned' system, which is leagues different than an economy commuter car.
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#3422529 - 07/12/14 09:43 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

There is no doubt that it makes the average lowest common denominator type of driver a bit safer.

At Skip Barber class we were taught to use the stability control system on my car as a training aid. If you felt intervention it meant you were not smooth enough! But that is a 'performance tuned' system, which is leagues different than an economy commuter car.


Exactly; the performance oriented systems don't really bother me if they have a very late intervention threshold. The ones I can't stand are the "Stability Controls for Dummies" that kick in before the vehicle is even remotely out of shape. Ditto for the ones that cannot be completely disabled...
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#3423630 - 07/13/14 04:22 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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I keep it on in any car I drive on the street, on the Track yea you have to turn it off.

I have plenty of Auto Cross Experience to correct and I keep the systems on. I understand how it intervenes, I understand when it can intervene and I use it as an extension for car control.


I do not understand people who turn it off every time they drive for no reason other than to turn it off.

Even if you know how to correct overseer...understeer...etc its just easier to leave the system on as it can correct more efficiently(stopping individual wheels) and faster then you can, and most importantly with much less needed space.









Edited by thescreensavers (07/13/14 04:26 PM)
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#3423758 - 07/13/14 07:18 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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They do help in emergency situations. I'm not the best driver and know it. I do appreciate having a system that will help me avoid a collision, or even assist in keeping the car out of the ditch when hitting that one patch of black ice on a clear street.
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#3424457 - 07/14/14 02:22 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: MCompact]
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

There is no doubt that it makes the average lowest common denominator type of driver a bit safer.

At Skip Barber class we were taught to use the stability control system on my car as a training aid. If you felt intervention it meant you were not smooth enough! But that is a 'performance tuned' system, which is leagues different than an economy commuter car.


Exactly; the performance oriented systems don't really bother me if they have a very late intervention threshold. The ones I can't stand are the "Stability Controls for Dummies" that kick in before the vehicle is even remotely out of shape. Ditto for the ones that cannot be completely disabled...


Totally agreed. I actually 'tuned' my car to get the nannies pushed back, the extremely minor performance improvements were definitely not worth it. But the HUGE difference in traction control and yaw reactions was! Now the car does not intervene unless you are pretty far out of shape, it really made it much better IMO...
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#3425230 - 07/15/14 07:13 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Traction control is stupid. I hate it. The only way to overcome it is to have quality snow tires.

Stability control, on the other hand, can be a life saver. Going around snowy corners it's annoying and makes you lose momentum. But on the road/highway at speed, it can keep you pointing the correct direction during emergency maneuvers. This, I have experienced.
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#3425273 - 07/15/14 08:13 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Track and street are completely different environments.

Any competent driver at the track does NOT want stability controls going. Sometimes, you want to bring the rear end around a little, and SC can impede that. Five pushes of the button, and DSTC is disabled on mine on track day.

Conversely, I don't want to see tail outs in crowded traffic from the 18 year olds on 476 around Philly. The more SC there, the better.

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#3425335 - 07/15/14 09:31 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Volvohead]
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This makes me think of another Rush song, based upon this story from a 1973 Road & Track magazine...

Morning Drive


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#3425960 - 07/15/14 08:57 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Volvohead]
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Originally Posted By: Volvohead
Any competent driver at the track does NOT want stability controls going.

If F1 and other racing series didn't ban it, I guarantee every team would use traction and stability control. Are F1 drivers not competent?
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#3425972 - 07/15/14 09:07 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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An F1 car on the track is infinitely different with respect to acceleration, cornering, and braking forces.
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#3426153 - 07/16/14 04:54 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: whip]
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Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: Volvohead
Any competent driver at the track does NOT want stability controls going.

If F1 and other racing series didn't ban it, I guarantee every team would use traction and stability control. Are F1 drivers not competent?


Seems they might be better than most, eh?

And imagining that any competent driver doesn't want any help getting a faster lap? When your car has a specific tuned suite of integrated systems that can signal you well before you can FEEL anything that traction loss is imminent you can learn to drive faster and smoother. I repeat that these systems vary wildly from mfgr to mfgr, and even from model to model within lines of cars.

Some of us of course are already professionals, or at least imagine they are...
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#3426204 - 07/16/14 06:43 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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Any vehicle is only as safe as the driver. Some of us have had half a century of safe driving in all types of weather, without the aid of traction and stability controls.

Unfortunately we have a large driver skill disparity on the roads today, and vehicles have been mandated to try to keep the poor drivers safer, and protect the rest of us from both the poor drivers and the race driver wannabe's who think that the roadways are their personal race track.

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#3426205 - 07/16/14 06:43 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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For the average daily driver I believe it is a much safer vehicle and even for the "experts" who occasionally get distracted :-)). Ed
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#3426223 - 07/16/14 07:05 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: thescreensavers]
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Originally Posted By: thescreensavers
I keep it on in any car I drive on the street, on the Track yea you have to turn it off.

I have plenty of Auto Cross Experience to correct and I keep the systems on. I understand how it intervenes, I understand when it can intervene and I use it as an extension for car control.


I do not understand people who turn it off every time they drive for no reason other than to turn it off.

Even if you know how to correct overseer...understeer...etc its just easier to leave the system on as it can correct more efficiently(stopping individual wheels) and faster then you can, and most importantly with much less needed space.


I have a Hyundai Genesis Coupe with the ESC. The only time I turn it off is when I;m on the track. It really helps in snow when the tail end starts to go out on you. There are many stories of those who turn it off then spin out on went roads because they don't know how to drive or don't know the car's potential.

It does intrude on the impromptu WOT blast though when you shift. frown

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#3426317 - 07/16/14 09:10 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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I have been pleasantly surprised by how unobtrusive the stability control system is on my Mazdaspeed. It's so good that I usually leave it on when I'm running on a wet track.
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#3426338 - 07/16/14 09:33 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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I read an interesting article about possible future implementations of automotive stability control systems. Supermaneuverable aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon and the F-22 Raptor are inherently unstable; they cannot be flown without assistence from the flight computers. I'm simplfying this a great deal but in essence the instability of the aircraft is what allows them to have supermaneuverable abilities. The article went on to discuss whether similar principles could be applied to cars. One example I could think of would be a car like the original 911 Turbo(930), which was notorious in many quarters for its lift throttle oversteer. Perhaps a sophisticated stability cotrol system would allow the vehicle to rotate faster about its yaw axis wihout loss of control or over-rotation.
Food for thought, anyway...
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#3428791 - 07/18/14 09:03 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: MCompact]
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Originally Posted By: MCompact
One example I could think of would be a car like the original 911 Turbo(930), which was notorious in many quarters for its lift throttle oversteer. Perhaps a sophisticated stability cotrol system would allow the vehicle to rotate faster about its yaw axis wihout loss of control or over-rotation.
Food for thought, anyway...

Mitsubishi called their system "AYC" Active Yaw control on some versions of the EVO, and called it "Super AWC" Super All Wheel Control on the Evo X. It is supposed to stop that problem, but because I have never driven an Evo, I'm not sure how well it works. The US Evo 8 and 9 didn't have it, so I am even less likely to drive a car with that system.
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#3428875 - 07/18/14 10:18 PM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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I like all of the new vehicle technology improvements. My first car was a 1960 Ford Sunliner. Single master cylinder braking system. 352 Marauder V8. 3 speed auto trans.

We have come a long way from those days.
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#3429001 - 07/19/14 05:53 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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It can in specific situations.

Last winter we got nasty black ice in a 3 way interesection in front of my house. No one stops and then takes a 90 turn sometimes with speed. For those who do not know black ice is in patches and hidden from eye and typically random on a otherwise perfect appearing road with otherwise great traction.

Guess which vehicles went straight into the snow bank vs making(albiet still close) the corner? Anything older hit the snow bank while modern/luxury car just rounded the corner without serious drama.

It helps.
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#3430882 - 07/21/14 07:32 AM Re: Traction control/ stability control safer car? [Re: Corollaman]
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I always find it fascinating that whenever one of these threads breaks out, the person wailing the loudest about how worthless stability control systems are doesn't know the difference between stability control and traction control.

They might use practically all of the same components, but stability control and traction control are not the same thing.
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