Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Originally Posted By: Cujet
itguy08 said:The real world data from "True Delta dot com" does not back up your statement. In fact, Honda's are stunningly reliable, as reported by actual long term owners.
I wouldn't trust Truedelta to wipe my butt. Been a while since I've been to the site but was not impressed in the least.
The owner spams pretty much all forums related to cars to get people to sign up. And then there is the "trip to the shop" thing that is basically useless. A trip to the shop for a squeak or rattle is a lot different than a trip to the shop for a new engine or transmission!
I'd rather have a car that goes in 10 times to fix a bunch of little things than have a new engine or transmission. Truedelta attempts to assign all repairs an equal rating when they are not!!!
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The reality is that Honda and Toyota build cars that match each other in long term reliability. All other manufacturers fall short of the Honda/Toyota numbers. A comparison between 1998 thru 2014 Accord's and Passat's is an eye opener! http://www.truedelta.com/Honda-Accord/reliability-108/vs-Passat-282
1st of all - VW's reliability is typically less than the industry average so that's not exactly a good comparison.
2nd - those owners tend to gloss over many issues because they have been told that they are the best. I find it hilarious that an owner of a Honda from 2000-2008 with a bum 5 speed auto prior to 100k will replace it and sing how "reliable" their Honda is? Really? You kidding me? The "junk" CD4E in the wife's Escape is 145k and still original! Or those that have an oil burning Honda V6 say how great it is! How many had Sludgy Toyotas or rusty framed Tundras that still thought they were the best? (I'd bet a lot)
I know someone that loves Hondas. Thing is he leases them - and ever 3/36k or whatever he gets a new one! Heck, even the lowest rated car would be fine in that short period of time.
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Lets talk facts and not feelings. Real world data is important.
Within every owner reported sampling there will be bias. If you are constantly told something is "the best", you will gloss over any issues. After all, if it's the best and blows trannys, how bad is the worst?
The best "fact" would be warranty repairs or parts sales data. Sadly warranty repairs would never been made public. Since people don't generally buy parts until something is wrong that would be a good indicator of long term reliability.
Sorry, I'm not buying the theory that Honda/Toyota is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. It's been bunk for a LONG time now.
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