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#3418796 - 07/08/14 08:40 PM Seal Swell in HM
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
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Loc: Sta Catarina, Br
Have you ever smelled the HM oil? They have seal swell to mostly differentiate it from normal engine oils. But it smell like Brake Fluid DOT 4! So I ask:

Is the seal swell the same additive that goes in brake fluids DOT4 ? What is it? Can one mix them? I don't think so.
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#3418801 - 07/08/14 08:42 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
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Registered: 04/20/14
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Don't mix brake fluid with oil to run in an engine.

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#3418819 - 07/08/14 08:48 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
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ATP-205 is basically a pure seal swelling additive.
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#3418902 - 07/08/14 09:31 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
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What oils are you talking about?

A similar discussion is going on here:

HM OILS

Each type of lubricant has a different PI (additive) package and base oils.

Never add brake fluid to motor oil.



Edited by MolaKule (07/08/14 09:33 PM)
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#3418968 - 07/08/14 10:36 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
Rosetta Offline


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Trying to discover the additive to seal swell. I know brake fluids have it in them. The smell is familiar. Never mix engine oil and brake fluids, of course. would a seal swell work in a velumoid gasket? or just synthetic rubbers like bunna and stuff?
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#3418996 - 07/08/14 11:11 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
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Yes. If you're nose can identify specific chemical compounds and you feel you have identified said compound in an 'additive' such as brake fluid, then I say go for it.

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#3419002 - 07/08/14 11:15 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: 147_Grain]
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
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Originally Posted By: 147_Grain
ATP-205 is basically a pure seal swelling additive.


Oh yeah, the resealer, sold at amazon ... tere should be pure swellers.
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#3419067 - 07/09/14 12:29 AM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
MolaKule Offline


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Quote:
Trying to discover the additive to seal swell.


WHY?

For engine oils and ATFs:

tris (C8-C24 hydrocarbyl) phosphite

Bis(2-ethylhexyl) phosphoric acid

Dihexyl Phthalate

and the azelamides such as:
N,N'-dimethyl-N,N'-dihexylazelamide, N,N'-dimethyl-N,N'-di2-ethylhexylazelamide, N,N'-dimethyl-N,N'-di-2-ethylhexylsebacamide

beta-thiopropionitrile

di(2-ethylhexyl)-adipate


For brake fluids: IP

You can't go by odor to determine chemical makeup.

Quit sniffing that stuff or your brain will fall out! LOL


Edited by MolaKule (07/09/14 12:39 AM)
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#3419075 - 07/09/14 12:36 AM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
MolaKule Offline


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Originally Posted By: Rosetta
... would a seal swell work in a velumoid gasket? or just synthetic rubbers like bunna and stuff?


Seal conditioners are for conditioning elastomer "seals" such as the nitriles, not gaskets.
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#3419651 - 07/09/14 02:47 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
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Thanks for the info MolaKule. Even though was just out of curiosity, I knew I'd get it in here.
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#3419817 - 07/09/14 05:45 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: MolaKule]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quit sniffing that stuff or your brain will fall out!

I made the mistake of sniffing anhydrous ammonia in an organic chemistry lab once. I was lucky; I didn't hit the floor. wink
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#3419882 - 07/09/14 06:46 PM Re: Seal Swell in HM [Re: Rosetta]
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
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Wow, harder then a Ajax plus blondor ... lol
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