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#3414226 - 07/04/14 07:47 AM Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic?
riggaz Offline


Registered: 01/26/10
Posts: 481
Loc: England
A bit of a yawn but was looking at the msds and tds to see how much zddp was in this oil and saw it listed as synthetic oil on one of the data sheets. I thought it was a misprint but it's got a pour point of -45 degree C, bit low for a mineral oil.

next week on inane information...

regards Riggaz

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#3414236 - 07/04/14 07:56 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: riggaz]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Odd. The TDS for the US market still shows pour point of -30C.
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#3414249 - 07/04/14 08:05 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: Quattro Pete]
riggaz Offline


Registered: 01/26/10
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Maybe they'll update the formulation?...

http://www.epc.shell.com/

UK one is defo saying -45'c and when you look on composition is says synthetic base oil as the major ingredient

msds sheet no 001E7481


Edited by riggaz (07/04/14 08:12 AM)

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#3414257 - 07/04/14 08:20 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: riggaz]
Quattro Pete Offline


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I think this is the TDS that you're referring to that shows pour point of -45C:

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_Loc...n-GB%29_TDS.pdf

They're so proud of it, they listed the pour point twice. smile

For us here in the US, I don't think we even have the Helix line here. I've never seen it. We do have the Rotella line where a 15w-40 mineral oil is available, alas, it's HDEO. They've recently added the T5 15w-40 which is a synthetic blend.

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#3414270 - 07/04/14 08:33 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: Quattro Pete]
riggaz Offline


Registered: 01/26/10
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lol, I spotted that

they usually sell all Shell UK products as Pennzoil in your manor I think but there doesn't seem to be a 15w40 in the list, must not be a popular viscosity for car engines in the US.


Edited by riggaz (07/04/14 08:37 AM)

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#3414277 - 07/04/14 08:43 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: riggaz]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Originally Posted By: riggaz
but there doesn't seem to be a 15w40 in the list, must not be a popular viscosity for car engines in the US.

Yup. CAFE/EPA made sure of that over here. smile
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#3414313 - 07/04/14 09:29 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: riggaz]
bigjl Offline


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I though HX5 was always a semi synth

And that HX3 was the mineral oil
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#3414482 - 07/04/14 12:44 PM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: riggaz]
chrisri Offline


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Maybe they are using old ultra base in helix 5 now they moved to GTL for their top oil.
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#3414978 - 07/05/14 03:17 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: chrisri]
riggaz Offline


Registered: 01/26/10
Posts: 481
Loc: England
I think it's the GTL base oil in the HX5, they seem call it interchangable low viscosity base oil in the msds. The old ultra base oil didn't have a pour point that low from memory.

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#3414980 - 07/05/14 03:20 AM Re: Shell Helix HX5 SN 15w40 mineral now synthetic? [Re: bigjl]
riggaz Offline


Registered: 01/26/10
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Loc: England
HX3 is a mineral
HX5 was also mineral oil
HX7 is the semi

must be cheaper to make the GTL than the mineral oil i guess.

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