GM employee warned of ignition issue in 2005

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DETROIT -- General Motors recalled 3.4 million large cars last month after finding a 9-year-old email from an employee in its files warning of trouble, according to documents released by the government Thursday.
The 2005 email, unearthed in April during a companywide review of ignition-switch problems, is more evidence that GM knew about safety problems for years but failed to recall troubled cars until recently.
So far this year, GM has recalled 17.1 million vehicles to fix ignition-switch problems, raising questions about the safety of switches across the auto industry. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the government's road safety agency, has asked for ignition data from all automakers and is looking into potential safety problems.

GM's troubles began early this year when it began recalling older small cars such as the Chevrolet Cobalt and Saturn Ion to fix faulty ignition switches. The company admitted knowing about the problem for at least a decade, yet it failed to start recalling the cars until February. GM says the switches have caused more than 13 deaths, although lawmakers say the death toll is closer to 100.
The small-car switches can slip out of the "run" position, causing engines to shut down, knocking out power steering and brakes. That can cause drivers to lose control, and if they crash, the air bags won't inflate. GM's reluctance to recall the cars for years has brought multiple federal investigations, a $35 million fine from NHTSA and numerous lawsuits from crash victims.
A company-funded investigation blamed the problem on a dysfunctional corporate culture and misconduct by some employees. Fifteen workers were dismissed.
After the problem surfaced, GM began looking for other safety problems across its model lineup that may not have been fixed. That's resulted in 54 recalls involving a record 29 million vehicles so far this year.
The 2005 email warned that a 2006 Chevrolet Impala being tested before production had stalled because the ignition slipped from "run" to "accessory" after going over a bump. GM began testing switches in the Impala and other full-size cars in May, and found that they didn't meet company specifications. That led to a June 16 recall of 3.4 million cars, according to the document released by NHTSA.
In a chronology of the Impala recall, GM said the employee who wrote the email was driving an Impala that was in a fleet of vehicles being tested before production. The employee wasn't identified in the document, but a GM spokesman confirmed it was Laura Andres. Her email was disclosed during congressional hearings last month. GM would not comment further.
According to the chronology, GM engineers tested the car Andres was driving in August of 2005 but could not make it stall. They returned it to her and apparently made no changes. Her warning also was brushed off by GM ignition-switch engineer Ray DeGiorgio, who replied that he had recently driven an '06 Impala and "did not experience this condition."
In April of this year, GM investigators found Andres' email while doing the companywide safety review. She reported hitting a bump at 45 mph and the car stalled. A car behind her had to swerve to avoid a crash. She took it to a shop, and a technician identified the most likely culprit as a faulty ignition switch.
In the email to 11 GM colleagues, she warned of a serious safety problem and a big recall. "I don't like to imagine a customer driving with their kids in the back seat, on I-75 and hitting a pothole, in rush hour traffic," she wrote.
Testing by GM done in May and June found that the switches could be pulled out of the "run" position if key chains were loaded with heavier items and the car went over a bump. The standard Impala keys have a wide slot to hold key rings, and that allows them to swing, creating force on the switches.
GM is recalling the cars to put an insert into the key ring slots that converts it to a small hole. That cuts the force generated by swinging key rings and stops the cars from stalling, GM said.
The recall affects Impalas, Cadillac Devilles and five other models. GM says owners should remove everything from their key rings until repairs are made.
 
Actually BEFORE this GM employee relayed their concern, engineers at the OEM vendor, Continental AG, informed GM about their concern as well. I wish I could find the article, I'll keep looking.

What puzzles me is why these officials have not
subpoenaed former GM CEO Rick Wagoner. I have been paying close attention to this case and he has been laying LOW, really low, he had to have known about this, the guy must have some very powerful friends in DC and in the media because his name has not come up ONCE in the major media concerning the issue from what I have seen. Instead rags like Automotive News have mentioned him in issues totally unrelated as if to keep people distracted from the FACT that Rick Wagoner was the darn Head Brass Tack and CEO at GM when this all started.
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I'm just glad GM's computer did not "crash".
Back to the op, does anyone think this is hurting GM?
Sales numbers tell a different story, why aren't people concerned with the safety on new GM cars? Or are they somehow different?
 
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You are ALWAYS going to have a certain number of "bad apples" at any large organization, it doesn't matter which industry they are in.

I think most consumers, rightly so, realize that these bad apples have been weeded out (CEO Rick Wagoner was FIRED from the company!) and that GM is committed to making the best and safest product possible. I believe GM no less reputable than Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, VW, or any other large car makers.
 
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Let's face it, there is always engineering risk, and hazard assessments, and risks and probability/magnitudes are tracked.

This may well have shown up on a chart, amongst a hundred other engineering risks and foreseen or potentially foreseen issues.

Some things practically manifest themselves in reality and others don't.

The issue is not recalling faulty parts once they knew there was indeed an issue and started recalling the first ones. Most any system is known to have risks, and knowing of the potential is part of the engineering of any system.
 
This sounds like company line.
So in previous decade, when GM was building these now faulty cars they were not committed to making the best and safest product possible? This answer will always be given no matter the calendar date. My concern is decade from today what excuses will be given for recalls on currently new cars?
 
Originally Posted By: GreenFocus
This sounds like company line.
So in previous decade, when (insert major car maker name here) was building these now faulty cars they were not committed to making the best and safest product possible? This answer will always be given no matter the calendar date. My concern is decade from today what excuses will be given for recalls on currently new cars?


You can insert Ford instead of GM, or even Toyota as well.

You haven't forgotten the Ford Pinto, or Explorer issues have you?
 
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Unfortunately, all automakers seem to balance risk (lawsuit risk) vs. cost of recalls-and GM bean counters have been damaging their company's reputation since at least the '70s.
 
No question that as the bean counters have gained more and more influence over the past few decades the quality and safety has been falling as far as I am concerned at ALL the major auto makers.
Just pure, unadulterated, greed.
 
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Originally Posted By: CapitalTruck
I thought the original OEM of the switch was Delphi?



It could be that Continential AG was making it under license maybe for Opel and SAAB vehicles? The Germans scutinize stuff like this very closely TUV might have been looking into this.
 
I have lost a great deal of respect for GM over this issue. Their Mea culpa came only after they got caught. Only the victims investigations even brought this out in the light.

Rick Wagner ran the company into the ground as the pathetic board of directors collected their paychecks
 
Kind of ironic....Toyotas won't shut off when you want them to and GM cars shut off when you don't want them to.

Time for another joint venture.
 
Wait a second. GM went bankrupt and was reborn as a different company, with different stock. Those past flaws are as bankrupt as the vendors who never got paid.
 
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Wait a second. GM went bankrupt and was reborn as a different company, with different stock. Those past flaws are as bankrupt as the vendors who never got paid.


They went bankrupt, but honored all past warranties.
 
Originally Posted By: GreenFocus
I'm just glad GM's computer did not "crash".
Back to the op, does anyone think this is hurting GM?
Sales numbers tell a different story, why aren't people concerned with the safety on new GM cars? Or are they somehow different?


Up here in the GWN, the GM dealers in the GTA have filed a class action lawsuit against GM over lost sales and revenue due to not only this, but the elimination of Pontiac, which was a successful brand in Canada, and the fact that the US dealer network got financial support to deal with these things whilst the Canadian one didn't.
 
From the article: "GM is recalling the cars to put an insert into the key ring slots that converts it to a small hole. That cuts the force generated by swinging key rings and stops the cars from stalling, GM said.
The recall affects Impalas, Cadillac Devilles and five other models. GM says owners should remove everything from their key rings until repairs are made."

Am I reading this correctly? Is the "fix" to make the hole in the key smaller, not to replace the switch that can turn off by itself?

I imagine people who drive other makes also load their keyrings with junk. Is this a problem with other manufacturers?
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
Kind of ironic....Toyotas won't shut off when you want them to and GM cars shut off when you don't want them to.

Time for another joint venture.


lol
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: GreenFocus
I'm just glad GM's computer did not "crash".
Back to the op, does anyone think this is hurting GM?
Sales numbers tell a different story, why aren't people concerned with the safety on new GM cars? Or are they somehow different?


Up here in the GWN, the GM dealers in the GTA have filed a class action lawsuit against GM over lost sales and revenue due to not only this, but the elimination of Pontiac, which was a successful brand in Canada, and the fact that the US dealer network got financial support to deal with these things whilst the Canadian one didn't.


The Canadian Dealers got a raw deal from GM. I would have expected more given the Canadian government gave GM cash
 
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