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#3413338 - 07/03/14 11:01 AM Any additives that offer "the full package"
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
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Out of interest, are there any addtives OTC that offer a full package of wear protection and detergent type addtives ?

i.e. would bring an hydraulic oil up to basic automotive (yard equipment) specs ?

Not too fussed on VIIs or whatever, but a simple AW/detergency package.

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#3413387 - 07/03/14 12:02 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
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Registered: 11/20/06
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Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
There was something years ago that claimed to be just that. Not a mechanic in a can but a replacement add pack for engine oil.
They advertised don't change the oil replenish the parts of the oil that wear out.
I haven't seen it in 35 years. So its of no help whatsoever but thanks for sending me down memory lane.
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#3413392 - 07/03/14 12:06 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
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You might be thinking of STP 6000-mile 'oil extender'...stopped selling it years ago. TallPaul was a huge fan of the stuff.
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#3413406 - 07/03/14 12:20 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: addyguy]
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Could well be i just don't remember, i want to say it was a yellowish can.
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#3413471 - 07/03/14 02:00 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
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Posts: 450
Loc: Calgary AB
Here is one that claims to have a combination of additive components like you are looking for:

Quote:
Additive Package Overview
Viscosity Index Improvers: Enhanced VII maintain lubricant flow and improve shear stability of the oil, especially at extreme temperatures.

Detergents and Dispersants: Maintains cleanliness and keeps contaminants in suspension. May remove varnish buildup in older engines.

Extreme Pressure/Anti-Wear additives: Polarized AW, Friction Modifier and EP components provide unequaled protection in high load, high friction conditions. Fluid strength in increased allowing for significant friction reduction and protection of vital engine components. Polarized film protects during start up conditions.

Oxidation Inhibitors and Acid Neutralizers: Enhanced alkaline reserve prevent oil breakdown during service life. Reduces oil acidity caused by blow-by gases

Rust and Corrosion Inhibitors: protect against adverse effects of moisture and oil oxidation caused by free wear metals present in oil.

Carefully balanced formula is designed to complement and enhance the existing API oil formulations.


On the website they recommend it be used with API approved oils for extended drain intervals when mixing with an engine oil. They also have one designed for Hydraulic oils and gear oils, but I'm sure they aren't designed for turning an AW46 hydraulic oil into a functioning engine oil. For that just buy engine oil.

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#3413807 - 07/03/14 07:42 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
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Yeah, I know...

Was just asking if there was same...enquiring minds etc.

Have used Delo Gold Ultra (pretty high add levels), and Canola/ATF in the past in games bringing it down to "regular" levels and slightly thinner.

Just wanted another toy for the shelf.

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#3413886 - 07/03/14 08:41 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
Solarent Offline


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Posts: 450
Loc: Calgary AB
Not long ago I mentioned someone I know who is doing an engine flush with a mix of diesel fuel, engine oil and that additive. His land cruiser is still running the flush (has been for about 4 months) as far as I know it is still running fine, and he's planning on getting me before and after pics so I can post them. (He had such bad sludging the oil pickup screen was almost completely blocked - not to mention the rest of the engine)

Point being even though it may not be exactly what you are looking for, it might be as you call it a toy to play with...

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#3413939 - 07/03/14 09:30 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
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I still wish that someone would make a real, high quality 'TBN booster' type additive as well with; calcium, magnesium, and maybe a good dose of boron, but NO other AW/AF additives, especially not ZDDP.

This could be useful to extend OCIs out until it is possible to do the change, for the very busy folk. wink
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#3414192 - 07/04/14 07:05 AM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: dailydriver]
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Loc: Calgary AB
I agree that would be nice, but most calcium and magnesium compounds are multifunctional and double as detergents so I would be concerned that there would be too much surface competition if it didn't have the extra aw stuff to help balance it out.

That said I could see use for a TBN and detergency boost for those who want to do a cleaning cycle for an oil change. I wonder how easy it would be to put somethIng together that wouldn't throw your oil out of spec.

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#3414822 - 07/04/14 09:17 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
2KBMW Offline


Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 465
Loc: Ontario Canada
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Out of interest, are there any addtives OTC that offer a full package of wear protection and detergent type addtives ?

i.e. would bring an hydraulic oil up to basic automotive (yard equipment) specs ?

Not too fussed on VIIs or whatever, but a simple AW/detergency package.


The only additive I can think of that I have used in new engines approved by GM is
their EOS additive. My brother had it analysed at his work and it had zinc, calcium
and moly. The zinc didn't seem like much but the moly count was high.

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#3414887 - 07/04/14 10:57 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
Shannow Online   content


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Will have to see if that's still available in Oz...and find a VOA of it...from recollection when I was messing with the stuff 20 years ago, it had a sort of opalescent sheen to it.

Thanks

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#3415568 - 07/05/14 07:17 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: 2KBMW]
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Originally Posted By: 2KBMW
The only additive I can think of that I have used in new engines approved by GM is
their EOS additive. My brother had it analysed at his work and it had zinc, calcium
and moly. The zinc didn't seem like much but the moly count was high.


^^^I always heard/thought that this additive had sky high levels of ZDDP in it, and not much else, let alone much soluble moly?? shrug

Do you have that VOA on it posted anywhere?
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#3415632 - 07/05/14 08:44 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
ElastoHydro Offline


Registered: 06/30/14
Posts: 218
Loc: Florida
First get the internal goo package inside the Fram High Mileage Oil Filter to boost TBN http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/fram-high-mileage-oil-filter.aspx then put in LM MoS2 additive, and you have a great booster.

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#3415757 - 07/05/14 11:02 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: dailydriver]
2KBMW Offline


Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 465
Loc: Ontario Canada
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: 2KBMW
The only additive I can think of that I have used in new engines approved by GM is
their EOS additive. My brother had it analysed at his work and it had zinc, calcium
and moly. The zinc didn't seem like much but the moly count was high.


^^^I always heard/thought that this additive had sky high levels of ZDDP in it, and not much else, let alone much soluble moly?? shrug

Do you have that VOA on it posted anywhere?


No. I never did post it and I don't have it any more. I had heard that the formula changed
over the years. I remember it being a very dark liquid. Now it looks like regular motor oil.
In the past it probably had more zinc but reduced it now and added moly in it's place. I think it's the best additive out there. It doesn't thicken the oil but adds zinc, calcium and moly to your oil.

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#3425905 - 07/15/14 08:11 PM Re: Any additives that offer "the full package" [Re: Shannow]
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Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 465
Loc: Ontario Canada
I finally found that VOA of the GM EOS. I just have the most important elements listed.

Boron: 201 ppm
Calcium: 3969 ppm
Magnesium: 9 ppm
Molybdenum: >200 ppm(detection limit)
Phosphorus: 1447 ppm
Zinc: 1618 ppm

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