Another Chrysler Minivan recall?

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Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........
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Chrysler has announced that it is recalling certain Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Journey, and Dodge Grand Caravan models for an issue with the ignition system. The problem is similar to that which has forced a widespread recall of a number of General Motors vehicles over the past few months, though the parts on the Chrysler and Dodge vehicles are not related to those on GM vehicles.

The problem, however, is eerily similar: The ignition key in the affected Chrysler and Dodge vehicles can also inadvertently move into the "Off" or "Accessory" position, turning the engine off, which in turn depowers various key systems including the airbags, power steering, and power braking. In the event of a crash following an accidental rotation of the key the airbags would fail to deploy. An earlier recall for the same issue included 196,000 vehicles from the 2010 model year.


http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140702/CARNEWS/140709981&template=mobileart
 
Originally Posted By: whip
Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........


Seriously? I have only received one recall notice for our 2012.


I will say, we had a really weird situation once where the van just shut off. The key was in the normal position, the van just lost all power. Shut the key off and it started right back up again and hasn't happened since.
 
In LA the new Dodge mini-vans used in patient transfers and taxi service require 2 to 3 times the downtime and maintenance work as the ex-police used Crown Vics that start they taxi service at about 100K miles, for the same amount of service mileage. They are being phased out early in their life.
 
Originally Posted By: whip
Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........


Uhhh... seriously?

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Actually the most impressive thing about that graph is how good GM would look on that chart if it weren't for 2014!
 
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
In LA the new Dodge mini-vans used in patient transfers and taxi service require 2 to 3 times the downtime and maintenance work as the ex-police used Crown Vics that start they taxi service at about 100K miles, for the same amount of service mileage. They are being phased out early in their life.


Surprised? Its a front-drive. Name me any front-drive that fares as well in heavy service as a rear-drive. And let's see how the front-drive Ford Taurus and Explorer "Police Interceptors" (what an insult to the name!) hold up in similar service compared to the Crown Vic.

The other factor is that the Crown Vic was an extraordinarily reliable and rugged machine by ANY standard.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: whip
Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........


Uhhh... seriously?

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Actually the most impressive thing about that graph is how good GM would look on that chart if it weren't for 2014!


That's from 6-19-14, meaning that GM has many, many more recalls than that.


This is sad:
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All told, GM has been recalling far more vehicles than it has been selling. Since the end of 2003, U.S. buyers have driven away in 33.1 million new GMs and the company has urged customers to bring in 57.4 million vehicles for repairs.


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Source: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/201...els-unblemished
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Surprised? Its a front-drive. Name me any front-drive that fares as well in heavy service as a rear-drive. And let's see how the front-drive Ford Taurus and Explorer "Police Interceptors" (what an insult to the name!) hold up in similar service compared to the Crown Vic.

The other factor is that the Crown Vic was an extraordinarily reliable and rugged machine by ANY standard.
Amen, brother.

Front-wheel drive is for tricycles.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
The other factor is that the Crown Vic was an extraordinarily reliable and rugged machine by ANY standard.


If it was so "rugged", then why was it not rebuilt like the Caprices were?

For some reason, the Crown Vic is a 'throw-away' car here... put around 90,000 miles on it, and then the municipalities walk away from them.

The early to mid-90's Caprices were run to 125,000 miles, shipped off to be refurb'd, and then were put back in the streets for another 125,000 miles.

The taxi of choice here are Gen 4 and Gen 5 Dodge/Chrysler minivans.
 
Not complicated: new Vics, unlike Caprices, were AVAILABLE!

Plenty of them run 100k in police service, then another 250-300k as livery cars!
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Actually the most impressive thing about that graph is how good GM would look on that chart if it weren't for 2014!


To be fair, it sounds like GM itself has indicated that some of these should or could have been recalled much earlier, and that it's going through its "closet" to find stuff that should have been taken care of years ago. That's probably why their graph looks so lop-sided. It may not have been much lower in aggregate, but the 2014 section might have been a much smaller percentage of the total.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: whip
Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........


Uhhh... seriously?

feat_gm26__04__614x365.jpg


Actually the most impressive thing about that graph is how good GM would look on that chart if it weren't for 2014!


The graph is also in order by the number of vehicles sold by each manufacturer...
 
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: whip
Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........


Uhhh... seriously?

feat_gm26__04__614x365.jpg


Actually the most impressive thing about that graph is how good GM would look on that chart if it weren't for 2014!


OK, now make a chart showing recalls as a percentage of vehicles produced.

I expect Chrysler to recall fewer vehicles because they produce fewer vehicles.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/275520/ranking-of-car-manufacturers-based-on-global-sales/

Based on that link, Fiat/Chrysler isn't even in the top 10 of vehicle manufacturers for 2013 and yet they have nearly as many recalls as Ford (#4 on the list).
 
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
In LA the new Dodge mini-vans used in patient transfers and taxi service require 2 to 3 times the downtime and maintenance work as the ex-police used Crown Vics that start they taxi service at about 100K miles, for the same amount of service mileage. They are being phased out early in their life.


more info please. crown vics get into taxi service post police life. so by the yardstick, tell us more about the vans you are seeing. are they 2008s? 2010s? 2014s? 2008-2010 models are terrible years to own, for instance.
 
Originally Posted By: strat81
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: whip
Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........


Uhhh... seriously?

feat_gm26__04__614x365.jpg


Actually the most impressive thing about that graph is how good GM would look on that chart if it weren't for 2014!


OK, now make a chart showing recalls as a percentage of vehicles produced.

I expect Chrysler to recall fewer vehicles because they produce fewer vehicles.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/275520/ranking-of-car-manufacturers-based-on-global-sales/

Based on that link, Fiat/Chrysler isn't even in the top 10 of vehicle manufacturers for 2013 and yet they have nearly as many recalls as Ford (#4 on the list).



Invalid comparison of GLOBAL market share to NORTH AMERICAN recall data.

The correct comparison is North American sales to North American recalls. Chrysler is #4 in North American market share, so they actually sell more cars IN THE MARKET WHERE THE RECALL DATA COMES FROM than Honda, which had more recalls. Actually Honda pulled ahead by a very small margin in 2011-2012 before falling behind Chrysler again, but they're very close. Look at the two graphs at the top of this link, and then at the table below the graphs:

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#autosalesD
 
I didn't realize that Toyota had so many recalled vehicles!

Most of Ford's recalls are from people who can't figure out a touch screen radio.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: strat81
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: whip
Man, what is going on at Chrysler? It seems like all they do is make recalls........


Uhhh... seriously?

feat_gm26__04__614x365.jpg


Actually the most impressive thing about that graph is how good GM would look on that chart if it weren't for 2014!


OK, now make a chart showing recalls as a percentage of vehicles produced.

I expect Chrysler to recall fewer vehicles because they produce fewer vehicles.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/275520/ranking-of-car-manufacturers-based-on-global-sales/

Based on that link, Fiat/Chrysler isn't even in the top 10 of vehicle manufacturers for 2013 and yet they have nearly as many recalls as Ford (#4 on the list).



Invalid comparison of GLOBAL market share to NORTH AMERICAN recall data.

The correct comparison is North American sales to North American recalls. Chrysler is #4 in North American market share, so they actually sell more cars IN THE MARKET WHERE THE RECALL DATA COMES FROM than Honda, which had more recalls. Actually Honda pulled ahead by a very small margin in 2011-2012 before falling behind Chrysler again, but they're very close. Look at the two graphs at the top of this link, and then at the table below the graphs:

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#autosalesD


OK, it still indicates that Chrysler recalled almost as many vehicles as Ford, despite Chrysler selling far fewer.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Most of Ford's recalls are from people who can't figure out a touch screen radio.


I'm pretty sure the MyFord Touch issues were not NHTSA-backed safety recalls, as this graph likely shows. Unfortunately, a source isn't given for the chart or for its data, but I bet that it's graphing the safety recalls. Ford did "recall" a lot of vehicles for software updates, but those were done with internal campaigns by Ford and not through NHTSA's safety recall program (so those numbers should not be reflected in this graph).
 
Originally Posted By: strat81

OK, it still indicates that Chrysler recalled almost as many vehicles as Ford, despite Chrysler selling far fewer.


And recalled fewer than Honda, despite selling more.

The claim that "all Chrysler seems to make is recalls" is absurd, plain and simple. The numbers prove it.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: strat81

OK, it still indicates that Chrysler recalled almost as many vehicles as Ford, despite Chrysler selling far fewer.


And recalled fewer than Honda, despite selling more.

The claim that "all Chrysler seems to make is recalls" is absurd, plain and simple. The numbers prove it.


Doesn't matter the brand, there's always someone here to knock 'em...
 
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