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#3412287 - 07/02/14 07:31 AM Cleaning Engine Internals
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Registered: 01/23/03
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Loc: ON
What is the general consensus about the best additive to help clean an older sludged engine? I am helping someone clean an older pushrod V8 with a carburetor that has a some sludge due to lack of use and a very slight lifter noise.

Would Auto RX be a good choice? Or maybe something solvent based? Maybe just run a HDEO? Obviously being an old engine I wouldn't want to damage any seals either.

Any opinions?

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#3412293 - 07/02/14 07:38 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
Olas Offline


Registered: 12/11/13
Posts: 654
Loc: Manchester, England
With the engine still in one piece and in the car, add 1qt of diesel to the sump, idle for 10 mins, replace filter, repeat. (As many times as necessary till the fluid stays clean.

If the engine is out/stripped then brake cleaner, pressure washer, autoclave, bucket full of nasty solvents etc..
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#3412310 - 07/02/14 08:09 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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No need for additives. Many oils now contain plenty of cleaning agents. Try Maxlife or PP.
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#3412323 - 07/02/14 08:29 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
4wheeldog Offline


Registered: 04/23/12
Posts: 231
Loc: East Mountains, NM
I personally would not use diesel, or any other harsh solvent. I have (In the distant past, which seems to be where your project comes from) had good luck using Rislone to turn sludge into a drainable liquid, and also to work some magic on noisy lifters. You could use it with an HDEO, maybe a couple of short OCIs.

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#3412342 - 07/02/14 09:00 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
OneEyeJack Offline


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Auto-Rx.
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#3412368 - 07/02/14 09:23 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
Danh Offline


Registered: 10/16/10
Posts: 672
Loc: Illinois
Why not try a product designed to help engines that are older and/or neglected: a high-mileage oil like Mobil1 HM or Valvoline MaxLife? Mobil is confident enough in M1 HM's cleaning abilities to say the first few OCIs should be short (3-5k) to deal with the crud the oil is dissolving.

There are lots of opinions here, but one is that cleaning that is done too rapidly via introduction of a solvent can do more harm than good as sludge and whatnot is displaced too quickly, clogging filters, oil pickup screens, valve lifters, oil feed lines, etc. I'd try the HM route and see if it worked before resorting to more drastic measures.

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#3412370 - 07/02/14 09:26 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Danh]
Kuato Offline


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Originally Posted By: Danh
....
There are lots of opinions here, but one is that cleaning that is done too rapidly via introduction of a solvent can do more harm than good as sludge and whatnot is displaced too quickly, clogging filters, oil pickup screens, valve lifters, oil feed lines, etc. I'd try the HM route and see if it worked before resorting to more drastic measures.


I agree here; a too rapid cleaning can lead to blockage.

I have used ARX and it works as advertised, cleaning gradually over 1500 miles, so that would be how I went about it.

Using a known cleaning oil after a couple of ARX treatments would complete the job.
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#3412390 - 07/02/14 09:49 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Short interval oil changes. No additives.
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#3412394 - 07/02/14 09:52 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: OneEyeJack]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3382
Loc: SE PA
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Auto-Rx.


Yep. Works well.

Cue the..........
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#3412438 - 07/02/14 10:52 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 10249
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Any pictures of how much sludge?.
I strongly urge you to look through old threads on this ARX product especially the ones about posters being paid to promote this stuff.
After spending a lot of money on this product with zero results i would not buy another bottle or recommend it to anyone.

Look up some of my Honda engine cleaning threads about cleaning an engine. There are a few ways to do it and a few chemicals that may work better than others but there is nothing that is a one size fits all.
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#3412445 - 07/02/14 10:57 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Danh]
bigt61 Offline


Registered: 02/12/13
Posts: 1272
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: Danh
Why not try a product designed to help engines that are older and/or neglected: a high-mileage oil like Mobil1 HM or Valvoline MaxLife? Mobil is confident enough in M1 HM's cleaning abilities to say the first few OCIs should be short (3-5k) to deal with the crud the oil is dissolving.

There are lots of opinions here, but one is that cleaning that is done too rapidly via introduction of a solvent can do more harm than good as sludge and whatnot is displaced too quickly, clogging filters, oil pickup screens, valve lifters, oil feed lines, etc. I'd try the HM route and see if it worked before resorting to more drastic measures.

+1 - MaxLife red bottle is all you need. A couple of 3000 mile OCI and then maintain normally. Avoid all special cleaning additives.
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#3412658 - 07/02/14 03:15 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
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Loc: Northeastern MT
Originally Posted By: Trav

I strongly urge you to look through old threads on this ARX product especially the ones about posters being paid to promote this stuff.


FWIW I have received nothing from ARX except their product, at my expense.


Originally Posted By: Trav

After spending a lot of money on this product with zero results i would not buy another bottle or recommend it to anyone.

Look up some of my Honda engine cleaning threads about cleaning an engine. There are a few ways to do it and a few chemicals that may work better than others but there is nothing that is a one size fits all.



Perhaps your engine was too clean to benefit! I have used ARX on at least 3 used vehicles I purchased, and each time it worked as advertised.


Originally Posted By: Trav

Any pictures of how much sludge?.


Now that I agree with 100%! smile


Edited by Kuato (07/02/14 03:18 PM)
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#3412670 - 07/02/14 03:31 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3382
Loc: SE PA
So, who are the posters paid to promote it?

Only one I know of, who has no credibility given his multiple impersonations.

As for old postings. I have several that praise it over and over. Even one post that declares it miraculous.


Edited by Trajan (07/02/14 03:34 PM)
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#3412675 - 07/02/14 03:44 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 15279
Loc: Sunny Florida
I am an Auto RX client. I bought more than one, my own fault, I know.

When I inquired about a refund I was ridiculed both by email and online. A truly non friendly company and a product that we were unable to eke out even the tiniest benefit out of.

All this hoo ha about rapid cleaning is just that, baloney. I have used Kreen in about a dozen vehicles with fantastic results in all but one. The stuff works.

And the company backs it up with a no-quibble guarantee that they actually honor...
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#3412709 - 07/02/14 04:31 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 9120
Loc: Middlesex County CT
Some people have had good luck with autorx (like myself), others not. I believe there is a thread from dnewton where he got before and after compression readings and it certainly improved the #s.

I've taken aspirin to relieve a headache and it hasn't worked; that certainly doesn't disqualify it as a pain reliever when others ask for a recommendation.
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#3412725 - 07/02/14 04:51 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
Oldswagon Offline


Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 766
Loc: ON
We just had the valve covers off the engine (probably the first time in over 25 years) and the valve train had some sludge, which is what made me think have cleaning it up a bit. Overall, it's not to the point of being catastrophic, just it's not overly clean. Plus with the minor lifter noise I figured the engine could benefit from some sort of cleaning.

I used Auto-RX on an old Chev 350 I used to own, but I am not sure if it really did much. To be honest it didn't really need a major cleaning (it was a very high mileage engine), I did it more as a preventative when Auto-RX was all the rage on this board.

It seems that there is more apprehension around using Auto-RX now, and I am still not sure about using solvent based engine cleaners, especially on a 40+ year old engine with old seals.

Will a HM oil clean up the engine better than a HDEO? I am leaning toward just sticking with the gentle approach with high detergent oil and short OCI.

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#3412739 - 07/02/14 05:02 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Kuato]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 10249
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: Trav

I strongly urge you to look through old threads on this ARX product especially the ones about posters being paid to promote this stuff.


FWIW I have received nothing from ARX except their product, at my expense.


Originally Posted By: Trav

After spending a lot of money on this product with zero results i would not buy another bottle or recommend it to anyone.

Look up some of my Honda engine cleaning threads about cleaning an engine. There are a few ways to do it and a few chemicals that may work better than others but there is nothing that is a one size fits all.



Perhaps your engine was too clean to benefit! I have used ARX on at least 3 used vehicles I purchased, and each time it worked as advertised.


Originally Posted By: Trav

Any pictures of how much sludge?.


Now that I agree with 100%! smile


Everything that needs to be said about this product has been said many times over. No need to rehash it.
Search the old threads.
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#3412759 - 07/02/14 05:24 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: simple_gifts]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 10249
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Some people have had good luck with autorx (like myself), others not. I believe there is a thread from dnewton where he got before and after compression readings and it certainly improved the #s.

I've taken aspirin to relieve a headache and it hasn't worked; that certainly doesn't disqualify it as a pain reliever when others ask for a recommendation.


You want compression readings) I can give all you want, how much of a difference would you like?
Don't ask me for proof. If thats the case show me his or are only certain people held to different standards?

Show me them on a recording compression tester if you want them to have any merit. I don't care who did it, if its not recorded by the actual tester its worthless.
No offense to you some people want to believe, show me the paper or lets stop the trash talk.

Lets see one done with this tool (or similar) and we can talk about compression reading results.
These testers are accepted by BMW, Mercedes, VW/Audi/Porsche, Dekra, TÜV, etc as proof for warranty work needed or completed repairs and are calibrated before use.
The card must be attached to the RO or they treat it as no proof provided. New cars use different methods also but this is the old standby.

http://www.motometer.de/recording-compression-tester.html
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#3412832 - 07/02/14 07:17 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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#3412895 - 07/02/14 08:14 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 7567
Loc: Colorado
The one thing I know for sure is that Kreen is made by Kano Labs, a chemical company. I would assume that a company that has been around for a while and has professional credentials can come up with professional products that are tested and work.

But there is another thing I know-Trav here is a professional mechanic in Germany and I believe he is well respected at this website. He has used Kreen. I will take his word also that Kreen works.

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#3412908 - 07/02/14 08:28 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Registered: 03/05/03
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And Trajan, before you say it-yes, I did use Auto-RX in the past and at first I thought it worked, because a seal leak stopped after I used Auto-RX. But after no one was able to provide solid evidence that Auto-RX actually cleaned the interiors of engines, after I was flat out attacked personally for daring to suggest that other products besides Auto-RX should be discussed in the Oil Additives Section, and one of more former posters here said they had been paid (with product) to promote a product here, which I don't know if that was the truth or not but it angered me, and after the behavior of certain people at this website who promote Auto-RX, I stopped using it. I stopped using it years ago.

So there, Trajan. I saved you from having to get into all of that.


Edited by Mystic (07/02/14 08:32 PM)

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#3412933 - 07/02/14 08:52 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3382
Loc: SE PA
Care to list all those posts? Or would you rather I do it?

Nobody would make post after post over various threads praising it unless it worked.

And now you repudiate all your claims?

I have to question your.............. veracity perhaps?
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#3412960 - 07/02/14 09:19 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 7567
Loc: Colorado
Same old tune, play it again. Same old tune, play it again. Same old tune, play it again.

Last time I checked Trajan this was still a free country. And a person is free to change their mind also. I changed my mind about Auto-RX years ago. I have not used Auto-RX in several years. I gave my last two bottles away to a guy here at bobistheoilguy.com.

So you want to question my....veracity perhaps? Let us take a look at yours. At one time you thought very highly of MMO. You said so here. But besides that, you put down MMO and Kreen every chance you get but Auto-RX is the real deal, right?

I have been waiting for the proof for many years now.

There are several reasons I moved on from Auto-RX. Some of those reasons are listed above. If that is not good enough for you too bad.

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#3412984 - 07/02/14 09:43 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
Mystic Online   content


Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 7567
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Mystic
And Trajan, before you say it-yes, I did use Auto-RX in the past and at first I thought it worked, because a seal leak stopped after I used Auto-RX. But after no one was able to provide solid evidence that Auto-RX actually cleaned the interiors of engines, after I was flat out attacked personally for daring to suggest that other products besides Auto-RX should be discussed in the Oil Additives Section, and one of more former posters here said they had been paid (with product) to promote a product here, which I don't know if that was the truth or not but it angered me, and after the behavior of certain people at this website who promote Auto-RX, I stopped using it. I stopped using it years ago.

So there, Trajan. I saved you from having to get into all of that.


Just one more thing, Trajan. Here is what I said earlier. Check this: "...and after the behavior of certain people at this website who promote Auto-RX, I stopped using it."

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#3413130 - 07/03/14 04:13 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 15279
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
...and I am still not sure about using solvent based engine cleaners, especially on a 40+ year old engine with old seals.

Will a HM oil clean up the engine better than a HDEO? I am leaning toward just sticking with the gentle approach with high detergent oil and short OCI.


Since Kano Labs has been selling Kreen for about that long it seems like a good fit!

But seriously, Maxlife comes in a synthetic and a blend and is a wonderful oil. It cleans quite well, if a bit slowly...
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#3413225 - 07/03/14 08:16 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Olas]
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Registered: 01/21/14
Posts: 236
Loc: AZ
Originally Posted By: Olas
With the engine still in one piece and in the car, add 1qt of diesel to the sump, idle for 10 mins, replace filter, repeat. (As many times as necessary till the fluid stays clean.

If the engine is out/stripped then brake cleaner, pressure washer, autoclave, bucket full of nasty solvents etc..



this^^^^^^^^^^^^^

butt, id drain the oil out or fill it to the (full) mark if its low on oil...

i just got an engine with super super black thick looking 30/40 wt.

2 quarts diesel, 3 quarts fill oil, 3/5 10 minute idles.

fluid came out black, valve covers showed a spotless looking motor.

let it drain till nothing drips out, fill with favorite oil and enjoy

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#3414241 - 07/04/14 08:02 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 9120
Loc: Middlesex County CT
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Some people have had good luck with autorx (like myself), others not. I believe there is a thread from dnewton where he got before and after compression readings and it certainly improved the #s.

I've taken aspirin to relieve a headache and it hasn't worked; that certainly doesn't disqualify it as a pain reliever when others ask for a recommendation.


You want compression readings) I can give all you want, how much of a difference would you like?
Don't ask me for proof. If thats the case show me his or are only certain people held to different standards?

Show me them on a recording compression tester if you want them to have any merit. I don't care who did it, if its not recorded by the actual tester its worthless.
No offense to you some people want to believe, show me the paper or lets stop the trash talk.

Lets see one done with this tool (or similar) and we can talk about compression reading results.
These testers are accepted by BMW, Mercedes, VW/Audi/Porsche, Dekra, TÜV, etc as proof for warranty work needed or completed repairs and are calibrated before use.
The card must be attached to the RO or they treat it as no proof provided. New cars use different methods also but this is the old standby.

http://www.motometer.de/recording-compression-tester.html


I don't understand your response or my original intent was misunderstood.

My only point is that it works for some, and not others; because it hasn't worked for 1 person or 5 doesn't disqualify it as an effective product for someone else.

There is a myriad of reasons it is recommended, perhaps it is more suitable for solving some issues than others.
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#3414340 - 07/04/14 10:11 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: simple_gifts]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 10249
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
If 10 people buy paint remover and it doesn't remove paint but it removed paint for one person those are not good odds.

If the instructions were simply, put this in with your oil, run it 3K then run anther oil change for 3K to wash it out and your done.
If it doesn't clean your engine or you are not satisfied we will give you your money back no questions asked and they stood by it i have no problem with it.

It never worked that way. Instead customers were abused, accused of not following directions, buying counterfeit product, lying or not even buying the product.
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#3414354 - 07/04/14 10:28 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
I'm still pretty new here, so I took the advise a few times about reading old threads, and came to the conclusion my fav, MMO gives the best bang for the buck. I've used it on a few beater cars, project cars, and a clunker my daughter bought, along with clunkers buddies bought and the stuff works [good cleaner and hushes lifter noises in SB Chevy engines, if dirt is the problem].

I have a pretty long history with it like several members here and it works. At close to $30 a bottle for the rx, stuff and the controversy around it, I pass. I would test a free sample of it though, next time I run into someone with an engine needing it.

The Kano people make good stuff too, I trust them too.

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#3414427 - 07/04/14 11:46 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3382
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Originally Posted By: Trav
If 10 people buy paint remover and it doesn't remove paint but it removed paint for one person those are not good odds.

If the instructions were simply, put this in with your oil, run it 3K then run anther oil change for 3K to wash it out and your done.
If it doesn't clean your engine or you are not satisfied we will give you your money back no questions asked and they stood by it i have no problem with it.

It never worked that way. Instead customers were abused, accused of not following directions, buying counterfeit product, lying or not even buying the product.



And despite it all, it has been proven to work.

Dnewton, who was a skeptic, showed it worked. With more data presented than I've ever seen for kreen/mmo.

Artem showed pics in which it worked better than kreen. Which led to you claiming he was a shill.

Mystic has posted over and over and over that it worked.

SteveSRT8 had posted that it takes care of everything. That it is miraculous. (Compared to mmo in the oil.)

simple_gifts, and Kuato have posted it works. And you go after the former for it.

To say nothing of the late Gary Allan.

Even Molakule has good things to say about it IIRC.

What further proof do you need?


Edited by Trajan (07/04/14 11:55 AM)
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#3414449 - 07/04/14 12:04 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years. I gave my last two bottles away to a guy here at bobistheoilguy.com. Let me repeat in case you don't understand: I STOPPED USING AUTO-RX YEARS AGO! The next time you mention my name you be sure to include that.

You also mention SteveSRT8. Unlike you I am not going to try to talk for another person. But anybody can read SteveSRT8's reply above. He talked about the way he had been treated as an Auto-RX customer. He certainly does not seem very happy about how he was treated. Anybody can read what he said and draw his own conclusions.

Trav also talked about how he had been treated as an Auto-RX user. Trav is a professional mechanic in Germany and he has talked about how Kreen worked for him in cleaning some engines.

You talk about how wonderful Auto-RX is and put down other products. But you fail to mention the posters here who have had bad experiences with customer service after buying Auto-RX.

The next time you use my name to try to promote Auto-RX be sure to include I stopped using Auto-RX years ago.


Edited by Mystic (07/04/14 12:11 PM)

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#3414459 - 07/04/14 12:17 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Trav
If 10 people buy paint remover and it doesn't remove paint but it removed paint for one person those are not good odds.

If the instructions were simply, put this in with your oil, run it 3K then run anther oil change for 3K to wash it out and your done.
If it doesn't clean your engine or you are not satisfied we will give you your money back no questions asked and they stood by it i have no problem with it.

It never worked that way. Instead customers were abused, accused of not following directions, buying counterfeit product, lying or not even buying the product.



And despite it all, it has been proven to work.

Dnewton, who was a skeptic, showed it worked. With more data presented than I've ever seen for kreen/mmo.

Artem showed pics in which it worked better than kreen. Which led to you claiming he was a shill.

Mystic has posted over and over and over that it worked.

SteveSRT8 had posted that it takes care of everything. That it is miraculous. (Compared to mmo in the oil.)

simple_gifts, and Kuato have posted it works. And you go after the former for it.

To say nothing of the late Gary Allan.

Even Molakule has good things to say about it IIRC.

What further proof do you need?


Good point. I did my own homework, to back up why I keep reaching for MMO. What I did was counted people posting positively and negatively about MMO and rx. I found more positive about mmo and a lot less controversy. No science just a common sense approach. That plus price, my own observations, which I really don't care what anyone thinks about them keeps me using mmo. It seems anytime someone posts observations they risk a harpoon attack here. The compression results, I've seen a few threads showing mmo and rx have raised it.

Scientific data, good luck finding that. The only science I was able to dig up was mmo looks real good in UOA reports. Some see those as the Holy Grail, so it worked for me seeing mmo did well. Lets not forget long time posters using Kano products and mmo for 40 years or more. Why would they lie? Especially when there's nothing in it for them.

I also see there are some people with more credibility than others here dnewton is one Trav is another. Seeing Trav is an actual master mechanic I seem to lean toward him. Website hype, or test results posted on a site, baloney IMO. But hey that's just me, not dissing anyone, telling it like I see it.

Lastly people can build a case for mmo, rx, kreen, and risoline. If it works for you, use it. Enjoy the 4th.

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#3414599 - 07/04/14 03:02 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Originally Posted By: rockydee

Scientific data, good luck finding that.


Data doesn't have to be scientific. But, making statements like "I get 2mpg more after using mmo" doesn't mean very much without some mpg readings before using it, during its use, and after its use.

Some people complain about those who want to see before and after compression tests, they moan about an unknown compression tester being used. (Unknown to them, but they ignore that.)

But they'll take claims out of thin air, or butt dynos of unknown quality at the drop of a hat.

As one poster stated, (not me), "This is BITOG. In God we trust, all others must bring data."

But people would rather accept anecdotes. (But only ones they agree with.)

As for "website hype" that can apply to *any* claim made by people on a website.


Edited by Trajan (07/04/14 03:10 PM)
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#3414646 - 07/04/14 04:20 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: rockydee

Scientific data, good luck finding that.


Data doesn't have to be scientific. But, making statements like "I get 2mpg more after using mmo" doesn't mean very much without some mpg readings before using it, during its use, and after its use.

Some people complain about those who want to see before and after compression tests, they moan about an unknown compression tester being used. (Unknown to them, but they ignore that.)

But they'll take claims out of thin air, or butt dynos of unknown quality at the drop of a hat.

As one poster stated, (not me), "This is BITOG. In God we trust, all others must bring data."

But people would rather accept anecdotes. (But only ones they agree with.)

As for "website hype" that can apply to *any* claim made by people on a website.


I looked at data in the form of uoa, just for [censored] and giggles, and mmo did well. I already knew it from my own anecdotal evidence, and those of others. I see guys like Trav, SteveStr8, and a few others posting negatively, and then taking harpoon attacks, being called liars etc it gets me thinking, and wanting to investigate more. After doing so, I'm going to stick to mmo.

As far as Mystic, I consider him one of the guys who changed their mind about a product. That happens, I could have sworn I read somewhere you posted positively about mmo at some point. If I'm wrong, sorry. You changed your mind it happens, and I see nothing wrong with it. Some people change their minds because of a companies policy and how they treat their customers, that doesn't make them bad. Maybe that's what changed mystic's mind, and he found cheaper products [because of the reports others posted here] to do as, good as or a better job than rx.

Like I said if you like a product use it. But don't rain on someone else's parade or discredit them for their pov, or because they changed their mind. [censored] I changed my mind more than once, am I a bad guy? lol

BTW I don't read much into mpg claims either, so we agree there. I do believe my eyes and ears though. When I look down the ole fill hole and see an improvement, or don't here a lifter tick, tick, ticking, I'm a believer. Now does someone else have to believe me, I really don't care.


Edited by rockydee (07/04/14 04:26 PM)

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#3414745 - 07/04/14 07:21 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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How about i got more MPG at idle.
Yep some poster actually tried to sell that one based on the cars instant MPG gauge. Why don't you look up who that was and question him about his MPG claims. LOL

At least this guy is claiming he got 2 MPG improvement while actually driving the car.
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#3414769 - 07/04/14 08:04 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
How about i got more MPG at idle.
Yep some poster actually tried to sell that one based on the cars instant MPG gauge. Why don't you look up who that was and question him about his MPG claims. LOL



Lol is that the same as more mpg coasting with the engine off, then braggin about it? I read some pretty cool stuff here, like driving at 4000 rpm+ for 20 mins or something like that to clean up a DI engine. Tough to do in most areas, and I wouldn't want to do it with an auto trans in a lower gear for that long, but what do I know. lol


Edited by rockydee (07/04/14 08:19 PM)

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#3414797 - 07/04/14 08:42 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: Trav
How about i got more MPG at idle.
Yep some poster actually tried to sell that one based on the cars instant MPG gauge. Why don't you look up who that was and question him about his MPG claims. LOL



Lol is that the same as more mpg coasting with the engine off, then braggin about it? I read some pretty cool stuff here, like driving at 4000 rpm+ for 20 mins or something like that to clean up a DI engine. Tough to do in most areas, and I wouldn't want to do it with an auto trans in a lower gear for that long, but what do I know. lol


Not sure why it would be difficult to hold 4000rpm anywhere that consistent speeds can be maintained, provided the vehicle has some sort of gear selector.

The 3000rpm (not 4000rpm) carbon deposit removal detail is not a myth, and is actually in patent documentation that VW published (see here on the US patent site).

Quote:
An additional approach for reducing the formation of carbon deposits on the intake valves is to increase the intake valve temperature, at least temporarily, since, surprisingly, it was found that any carbon deposits possibly present are removed at temperatures above 380.degree. C. To this end, the intake valve unit, which comprises, among other components, the intake valves and the valve stem guide, is designed with means that hinder heat dissipation in such a way that increased surface temperatures of more than 380.degree. C. develop at least in the area of the neck of the intake valves in at least one predetermined region of the load characteristic diagram of the internal combustion engine. This is illustrated in FIG. 4. The intake valve temperature is above 380.degree. C. in the shaded region 112b of the characteristic diagram. At these temperatures, carbon deposits on the intake valves are removed. This region 112b of the characteristic diagram occurs, for example, at speeds over 3,000 rpm, and in that speed range. extends essentially to full load. Even if the internal combustion engine is not operated most of the time in the region 112b during normal driving operation of a motor vehicle, nevertheless, carbon deposits that could adversely affect the operation of the internal combustion engine cannot build up, since their removal in the shaded region 112b of the characteristic diagram occurs very quickly. For example, operation of the internal combustion engine in this region 112b of the characteristic diagram for a period of, for example, 20 min., is sufficient to remove even a thick layer of carbon deposits. In other words, a routine expressway trip cleans the intake valves sufficiently. In addition, this region of the characteristic diagram can be entered in the course of maintenance or repair work on the internal combustion engine in an automotive workshop.


--Matt


Edited by mkosem (07/04/14 08:46 PM)

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#3414804 - 07/04/14 08:50 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: mkosem]
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Originally Posted By: mkosem
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: Trav
How about i got more MPG at idle.
Yep some poster actually tried to sell that one based on the cars instant MPG gauge. Why don't you look up who that was and question him about his MPG claims. LOL



Lol is that the same as more mpg coasting with the engine off, then braggin about it? I read some pretty cool stuff here, like driving at 4000 rpm+ for 20 mins or something like that to clean up a DI engine. Tough to do in most areas, and I wouldn't want to do it with an auto trans in a lower gear for that long, but what do I know. lol


Not sure why it would be difficult to hold 4000rpm anywhere that consistent speeds can be maintained, provided the vehicle has some sort of gear selector.

The 3000rpm (not 4000rpm) carbon deposit removal detail is not a myth, and is actually in patent documentation that VW published (see here on the US patent site).

--Matt


I'm just stating what I read on bitog, it was 4K or 4K+ not 3K. Holding the legal limit @ 4K with an auto trans in a low gear to keep it legal for 20 mins isn't something I'd want to where I'm living. Seems others felt the same. OTOH holding 3k would be pretty easy.

Oops- it was 4,500 rpm that makes it harder. The quote was in one of the DI threads, I can't find it after closing bitog to let my daughter on the laptop.

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral


Is there any accepted preventative for these deposits, other than frequent oil changes with a low-NOACK, carmaker-approved oil?


Yes, keeping the RPMs above 4500 for 20+min every now and again to help prevent and clean.

Prevention is aided with regular injector cleaning, running premium oil and not changing the oil too often.


I think I took this a bit OT. Sorry


Edited by rockydee (07/04/14 09:05 PM)

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#3414940 - 07/04/14 11:56 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: mkosem]
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So why is VW/Audi still doing the walnut shell blasting?
You can patent anything you like but that doesn't mean it works.
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#3414946 - 07/05/14 12:07 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
So why is VW/Audi still doing the walnut shell blasting?
You can patent anything you like but that doesn't mean it works.


Because their 3000 rpm runs don't always work.

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#3415020 - 07/05/14 06:07 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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It might work on some valves but not on all. Stuff like this is not a one size fits all solution, if it was then there would be no problems.

A simple 20 min run at 3K RPM and its all set. No its not working like that.
In some turbo/boosted engines they are using sodium filled or titanium valves on the intake not just the exhaust so the valve is designed to dissipate heat quickly. IIRC even the LS engines are using titanium intakes.
You will not bring these up to the temps that would be needed.

The other point is its not just the rear of the valves that is an issue, its the whole pocket.
No way are you getting that area up to those sorts of temps.
This procedure was probably intended for one group of engines, when info like this gets out in the wild it has a habit of becoming the be all and end all fix for every engine.
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#3415395 - 07/05/14 04:18 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years. I gave my last two bottles away to a guy here at bobistheoilguy.com. Let me repeat in case you don't understand: I STOPPED USING AUTO-RX YEARS AGO! The next time you mention my name you be sure to include that.

You also mention SteveSRT8. Unlike you I am not going to try to talk for another person. But anybody can read SteveSRT8's reply above. He talked about the way he had been treated as an Auto-RX customer. He certainly does not seem very happy about how he was treated. Anybody can read what he said and draw his own conclusions.

Trav also talked about how he had been treated as an Auto-RX user. Trav is a professional mechanic in Germany and he has talked about how Kreen worked for him in cleaning some engines.

You talk about how wonderful Auto-RX is and put down other products. But you fail to mention the posters here who have had bad experiences with customer service after buying Auto-RX.

The next time you use my name to try to promote Auto-RX be sure to include I stopped using Auto-RX years ago.


I respect someone's decision to stop using a product because of poor customer service, and have done so myself.

As far as my backing this product, to reiterate - it did nothing when used in a properly maintained vehicle I had from new, but DID work as advertised on a vehicle that was purchased used, with an unknown maintenance history. I will say again, that for those that it does nothing, perhaps your engine is too clean/too well maintained to need that cleaning.

In any case, I have 1 bottle left which will be used in the 88 Dodge my wife just bought herself. After that, I don't plan to need to use a cleaner again.

The thing is, BITOGers will argue about anything, we are a diverse bunch with diverse opinions, and most of us have our preferences when it comes to ... any product. I always try to keep in mind that even though I may not agree with someone else, that doesn't necessarily make them wrong.


Edited by Kuato (07/05/14 04:20 PM)
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#3415401 - 07/05/14 04:27 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Kuato]
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years.


It wasn't me who wrote all those posts. It was you. It was those posts that played a big part in my using it during my anecdote acceptance years.

So don't blame me if you now reject what is by your lights evidence. And don't whine about it now.

I'm giving you credit for steering me to use a product that in your own words many people have used with success.

Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over.

Shouldn't of called me out in an above post Mystic.




Edited by Trajan (07/05/14 04:32 PM)
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#3415428 - 07/05/14 05:00 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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popcorn
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#3415455 - 07/05/14 05:43 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Turk]
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Originally Posted By: Turk

popcorn




Add a beer. Cheers2

Imagine people getting harpooned for changing their minds about a product.

Trajan used and praised mmo from what I've read here, now he attacks it every chance he gets. Mystic used rx, spoke positively about it, now he feels different. Trajan used rx because Mystic endorsed it. WHO CARES? I wonder how many people tried products because they were mentioned here? Careful if you guys like something, post about and then have a different opinion later.

After all this I started reading more old threads, I wouldn't touch the rx stuff with a 10' pole now. So what, who cares? I also noticed people hate products they never tried, because someone else likes it. Is this elementary school?
Bottom line use whatever the [censored] you think is going to clean your engine, if it even needs to be cleaned. If it works shout it out, if it doesn't work, lets hear it.

Have a beer, and lighten up, life it too short.

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#3415495 - 07/05/14 06:32 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Turk]
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Originally Posted By: Turk

popcorn



Need any butter?
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#3415500 - 07/05/14 06:37 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Turk

popcorn



Need any butter?


Not for me. Now salted pretzels, bring'em on.

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#3415596 - 07/05/14 07:50 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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I'll take some honey roasted peanuts and a six pack. Thanks.
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#3415628 - 07/05/14 08:32 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Hey rockydee, thanks for what you said. I just barely came back and turned on the computer and here was all of this nonsense.

I have never denied that I used Auto-RX for a while and I thought at first that it worked. It seemed to stop a seal leak on a car I used to own. Maybe it is good for that purpose. But for a lot of reasons I changed my mind about Auto-RX. Like you said, "Imagine people getting harpooned for changing their minds about a product." I did change my mind a long time ago. And I mean a LONG time ago. I can't remember how long it has been since I used Auto-RX. I gave away my last two bottles of Auto-RX to a guy here at bobistheoilguy.com and those bottles had been sitting for so long I had to wipe the dust away before I could ship them.

I get sick and tired of having to list again and again all the reasons I stopped using Auto-RX. I think I had some good reasons and a person is allowed to change their mind-I think.

But this Trajan guy keeps coming back again and again that I used to use Auto-RX and he is saying now he started to use Auto-RX because of my recommendations. I can't remember him ever saying that before-maybe he did. I am not going to get into all of that.

A long time ago he praised MMO and I had to copy what he had said and post what he had said for him to agree that he said he had used MMO. Again, I have never denied that I used to use Auto-RX. I used Auto-RX for a while. And I think I had some good reasons to stop using Auto-RX.

Do I really have to go through again all the reasons?

I kept waiting for proof that Auto-RX worked and it never seemed to come. And some people started to complain about the customer service for Auto-RX. Anybody who has any questions about that can talk to people like Steve and Trav. I can't remember exactly but I think demarpaint also complained about the customer service for Auto-RX. And there were others.

There used to be so many posts here in the Oil Additives Section about Auto-RX that virtually nothing else was being discussed. I posted that there needed to be more discussion about other products (I was still using Auto-RX at the time) and I was flat out attacked. I did not appreciate that very much.

One or more guys stated here that they had been receiving product to promote Auto-RX. Were they telling the truth? I don't know. But I became very angry and stopped using Auto-RX right after that.

These are some of the reasons I stopped using Auto-RX. Are they good enough reasons for somebody to stop using a product?

Trajan is now attacking me for he says encouraging him to use Auto-RX. That is silly on the face of it. He promotes Auto-RX here and apparently believes it works. So why would it bother him that I encouraged him to try Auto-RX? If he believes in Auto-RX why would it matter if the guy who encouraged him to try Auto-RX no longer believes in it? Can everybody see how silly that is? And check out what he says-HE SAYS HE DOES NOT USE IT HIMSELF! And yet he promotes it any time he can and puts down products like MMO and Kreen. If somebody is not even using a product why would they promote that product every chance they get?


Edited by Mystic (07/05/14 08:37 PM)

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#3415647 - 07/05/14 08:56 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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In fact, I am going to add something to what I said above. This is what Trajan said above:

"Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over."

He says that HE HAS NOT USED IT! So if he has not used Auto-RX, why does he promote it and how does he know if it works or not? I have at least used the product. I like Lubegard products and I have used some Lubegard products. I have used MMO. I have used Tufoil and I think that entitles me to be able to speak about Tufoil. I have used various other products.

And Trajan-a person is allowed to change their mind. I changed my mind and for the reasons given above and other reasons. And maybe the next time you promote Auto-RX you need to tell people that you have not used it yourself but you hear it is good. Because, quote: "I haven't used it either."

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#3415668 - 07/05/14 09:21 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
It might work on some valves but not on all. Stuff like this is not a one size fits all solution, if it was then there would be no problems.

A simple 20 min run at 3K RPM and its all set. No its not working like that.
In some turbo/boosted engines they are using sodium filled or titanium valves on the intake not just the exhaust so the valve is designed to dissipate heat quickly. IIRC even the LS engines are using titanium intakes.
You will not bring these up to the temps that would be needed.

The other point is its not just the rear of the valves that is an issue, its the whole pocket.
No way are you getting that area up to those sorts of temps.
This procedure was probably intended for one group of engines, when info like this gets out in the wild it has a habit of becoming the be all and end all fix for every engine.


Exactly. Their design seems dependent upon that 3000rpm condition being the norm, and just running a car that has been running tons of city miles or low RPM cruising for 20 minutes at those conditions isn't enough to undo all those deposits.

Having owned one of the original FSI engines, and having it walnut shell blasted at 50k miles (shortly after I took ownership of it as the second owner) I can certainly attest to the fact that deposits absolutely form on the intake valves of these engines. After that point, with a PCV mod in-place and routine applications of the 3000rpm for 20 minute process, I found only minimal deposits when I pulled the intake manifold again 20k miles later. That said, I had it blasted again anyways.

Under Autobahn conditions, it's probably easy to stay in that range much of the time while driving without any tom foolery (like driving in less than the top gear at high speeds). In the US, where we commonly have much lower speed limits (60-65 on motorways where I live primarily) it isn't really the case in the top gear. IIRC, 70 mph in that GTI was just over 2500rpm in 6th gear so it was well under that point during the majority of my highway driving.

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#3415675 - 07/05/14 09:35 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
In fact, I am going to add something to what I said above. This is what Trajan said above:

"Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over."

He says that HE HAS NOT USED IT! So if he has not used Auto-RX, why does he promote it and how does he know if it works or not? I have at least used the product. I like Lubegard products and I have used some Lubegard products. I have used MMO. I have used Tufoil and I think that entitles me to be able to speak about Tufoil. I have used various other products.

And Trajan-a person is allowed to change their mind. I changed my mind and for the reasons given above and other reasons. And maybe the next time you promote Auto-RX you need to tell people that you have not used it yourself but you hear it is good. Because, quote: "I haven't used it either."


Yea trajan confused me too. Like I said, who cares who uses what? If it works go for it, people with a brain should search the old threads and read them, the locked ones catch my eye. Lots of agenda it seems. I was doing a count of positives and negatives for rx and mmo just for the heck of it. Then I weeded out the guys dumping in threads that never used a product but dumped on it. You know, my own informal way of making a decision w/o hardcore DATA. Based on my findings I'll keep using mmo, when-if I need to clean up an engine. But hey that's just me, and at the end of the day who cares?

Have a beer mystic, and don't take any of this [censored] to heart! I think some guys just like messing around with other guys, seeing if they can piz them off.

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#3415685 - 07/05/14 09:44 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years.


It wasn't me who wrote all those posts. It was you. It was those posts that played a big part in my using it during my anecdote acceptance years.

So don't blame me if you now reject what is by your lights evidence. And don't whine about it now.

I'm giving you credit for steering me to use a product that in your own words many people have used with success.

Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over.

Shouldn't of called me out in an above post Mystic.




Actually, in the same post, Trajan says he has used Auto-RX and that he has not used it. He says:

"It was those posts that played a big part in my using it during my anecdote acceptance years."

And IN THE SAME POST he says this:

"I haven't used it either."

So which is it? He has either used Auto-RX or he has not.

It really makes no difference. If he does use Auto-RX it should make no difference if the guy who encouraged him to use Auto-RX no longer uses it or not.

If he does not use Auto-RX, THEN WHY DOES HE PROMOTE IT? He should at least say, 'I don't use the product myself but I hear that it is good.'

If anybody can figure out from Trajan's post if he uses Auto-RX or not let me know. Because IN THE SAME POST (or rather reply in a post) he both says that he used it and that he has not used it.

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#3415692 - 07/05/14 09:50 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
I'll take some honey roasted peanuts and a six pack.

A man has to believe in something. I believe I'll have a beer.
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#3415709 - 07/05/14 10:11 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: dave5358]
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I think I need a beer.

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#3415721 - 07/05/14 10:17 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think I need a beer.


Cheers2

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#3415725 - 07/05/14 10:21 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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And some peanuts. I like peanuts with my beer. Cheers!


Edited by Mystic (07/05/14 10:21 PM)

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#3415840 - 07/06/14 06:06 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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I'll stick with RX. And no, I DON'T follow the instructions!

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#3415859 - 07/06/14 07:04 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Yeah we know. Drive it 6K miles like a Kamikaze pilot on crack and it works fine.
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#3415883 - 07/06/14 07:43 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
sprintman Offline


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Originally Posted By: Trav
Yeah we know. Drive it 6K miles like a Kamikaze pilot on crack and it works fine.


Oh dear.........one day you'll grow up but we won't hold our breath.

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#3415886 - 07/06/14 07:49 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
I'll take some honey roasted peanuts and a six pack. Thanks.


Heck, make some for me, too, please.

It's so great, with the 'support crew' here, you don't even have to type anymore, they do it for us! Keep speaking up for me, boys....
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#3415912 - 07/06/14 08:21 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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It didn't take too many posts for this thread to get emotional.
To answer your question, I've used ARx and had good results.
It is rather spendy, though.
I've never tried MMO but I will when and if the need arises.
Same for Kreen.
Enough members report good results with these products that they'd be worth a shot.
Rislone also has its advocates, so might be worth a try, particularly for a lifter tick.
In your position, I'd probably give MMO a try, just to see what happens.
You can try something more agressive, like Kreen, should the MMO fail to produce results.
If this engine has suffered disuse, just putting it back to work with regular changes using any oil will probably go a long way in cleaning it up as well as in eliminating the lifter noise.
Let us know what course you decide on and what results you see.
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#3415916 - 07/06/14 08:25 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
I'll stick with RX. And no, I DON'T follow the instructions!


I'm pretty new here, I noticed you're one of the big rx fans. Why not follow directions? If the product was designed and tested Wouldn't the maker of the product know the best way to use it? After all he wants his stuff to work, doesn't he? What gives? If you have a better way of using the stuff why don't they use your way for their directions? Wonder'in that's all, looking for an answer not a harpoon attack here. Cheers.

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#3415918 - 07/06/14 08:31 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Yeah, that is what sprintman was saying alright. Drive it hard 6000 miles AND use two bottles instead of just one. Like sprintman says, he does not follow directions. Apparently it takes two bottles and not one and the stuff is kind of expensive.

And of course sprintman was the guy who allegedly proved that Auto-RX works with his compression testing. No need for any additional testing. He did all the testing required.

And people wonder why I stopped using Auto-RX years ago?


Edited by Mystic (07/06/14 08:32 AM)

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#3415925 - 07/06/14 08:40 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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It was the behavior of the guys who promote Auto-RX that made me stop using the product more than anything else. And their behavior is on display now. Their behavior speaks for itself.

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#3415931 - 07/06/14 08:47 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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I used ARX once and it did the job quite well. I did use two bottles but over a three oil change at 5k miles per OCI. The middle change was straight oil, no ARX.

Worked a miracle actually. Went from using a quart of oil every 500 miles to a quart in 5k miles.

I would not consider it a product to use for regular maintenance though. This was on a used engine that obviously did not get proper oil change maintenance before.

I saw elsewhere on this forum some use Kreen. I would think that product would work well too.

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#3415938 - 07/06/14 08:53 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
What is the general consensus about the best additive to help clean an older sludged engine? I am helping someone clean an older pushrod V8 with a carburetor that has a some sludge due to lack of use and a very slight lifter noise.

Would Auto RX be a good choice? Or maybe something solvent based? Maybe just run a HDEO? Obviously being an old engine I wouldn't want to damage any seals either.

Any opinions?


If you are serious about getting it clean without loss of good lube by cutting the weight of the motor oil just start using Mobil 1 10W-40 High Mileage in an old gas carbed engine to clean it up over time and protect the seals.

I saved a 2003 GM 5.3L engine from loss of oil pressure due to the known issue of the oil pump pressure relief valve sticking OPEN. I did use 8 oz of Seafoam in an new dino oil change for 160 miles that helped with NO oil pressure on a hot start up and it was thin and black but it was after running the Mobil 1 HM that the oil gauge needle stopped jumping around when driving at 3000 RPM on the interstate locked out of OD.

Follow the warning Mobil puts on High Mileage bottles when moving to it in old engines.


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#3415950 - 07/06/14 09:01 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: GaleHawkins]
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Yeah, it is probably a very good idea just to try a good cleaning motor oil first before you try anything else. Some Pennzoil synthetic motor oils and Mobil 1 are supposed to clean very well. It would probably be a good idea for a guy with a dirty engine to try short OCIs with something like Mobil 1. As long as the engine is not a leaker, because otherwise it might leak even worse.

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#3415960 - 07/06/14 09:13 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah, it is probably a very good idea just to try a good cleaning motor oil first before you try anything else. Some Pennzoil synthetic motor oils and Mobil 1 are supposed to clean very well. It would probably be a good idea for a guy with a dirty engine to try short OCIs with something like Mobil 1. As long as the engine is not a leaker, because otherwise it might leak even worse.


These things are last resort products for me. If short ocis and good synthetics don't work I break out the mmo, or if I have a project car, or help a friend with a problem. Otherwise the Marvel stays at Walmart till the next time I need it. No need for any of this stuff in a healthy well maintained engine.

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#3415973 - 07/06/14 09:37 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Pennzoil was claiming that the Pennzoil Ultra is very good at cleaning. The problem I have with Pennzoil is that I could never find the Pennzoil Ultra anywhere in my area. I get very tired of the Pennzoil games of advertising this Ultra oil and a person cannot find it. If somebody could actually find some of the Pennzoil Ultra well great.

So that is the reason I say Mobil 1. At least a person can find the Mobil 1 and it is supposed to clean well also.

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#3415993 - 07/06/14 09:58 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Trav
Yeah we know. Drive it 6K miles like a Kamikaze pilot on crack and it works fine.


Oh dear.........one day you'll grow up but we won't hold our breath.


I think you have been holding your breath too long already. LOL
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#3416009 - 07/06/14 10:23 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Trav
I'll take some honey roasted peanuts and a six pack. Thanks.


Heck, make some for me, too, please.

It's so great, with the 'support crew' here, you don't even have to type anymore, they do it for us! Keep speaking up for me, boys....


Yep i had six Schneider Weisse and Nürnberger Bratwurst on rolls with hot mustard last night then honey roasted peanuts with beer.
For lunch today Rouladen with Kloßteig and a few bottles of Spitfire, life is good.

They are all on board digging their own holes as usual. They can keep digging while i have a nice lunch.
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#3416010 - 07/06/14 10:23 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
What is the general consensus about the best additive to help clean an older sludged engine? I am helping someone clean an older pushrod V8 with a carburetor that has a some sludge due to lack of use and a very slight lifter noise. Would Auto RX be a good choice? Or maybe something solvent based? Maybe just run a HDEO? Obviously being an old engine I wouldn't want to damage any seals either.

Why not try these steps. Put in a quality synthetic oil. M-1 is good, but most brands should work. Drive the car a few hundred (or thousand) miles. Then, when the engine is very hot, drain the oil. If you can angle the vehicle to get more drainage (e.g. lower the oil drain hole) that will help. Let it drain as long as anything comes out - 30 minutes or an hour or overnight.

You might repeat the above steps a second time.

If you are determined to try something more aggressive, you could add a quart of MMO to the oil. It is very thin - about like 10w oil. The thin nature of MMO might help cleaning, plus it has a high solvent content. Again, drive a few hundred (or thousand) miles, drain the oil when the engine is very hot.

Do the above steps first. The only other thing you might try is dropping the pan and cleaning the pan while off the engine. That's where most of the crud will end up - particularly after doing the above.

At that point, refill with a good quality synthetic oil, most of which are high detergent and will attract and hold crud in suspension. Any crud that remains in the engine should come out with subsequent oil changes.
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#3416033 - 07/06/14 10:58 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: dave5358]
rockydee Offline


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Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
What is the general consensus about the best additive to help clean an older sludged engine? I am helping someone clean an older pushrod V8 with a carburetor that has a some sludge due to lack of use and a very slight lifter noise. Would Auto RX be a good choice? Or maybe something solvent based? Maybe just run a HDEO? Obviously being an old engine I wouldn't want to damage any seals either.

Why not try these steps. Put in a quality synthetic oil. M-1 is good, but most brands should work. Drive the car a few hundred (or thousand) miles. Then, when the engine is very hot, drain the oil. If you can angle the vehicle to get more drainage (e.g. lower the oil drain hole) that will help. Let it drain as long as anything comes out - 30 minutes or an hour or overnight.

You might repeat the above steps a second time.

If you are determined to try something more aggressive, you could add a quart of MMO to the oil. It is very thin - about like 10w oil. The thin nature of MMO might help cleaning, plus it has a high solvent content. Again, drive a few hundred (or thousand) miles, drain the oil when the engine is very hot.

Do the above steps first. The only other thing you might try is dropping the pan and cleaning the pan while off the engine. That's where most of the crud will end up - particularly after doing the above.

At that point, refill with a good quality synthetic oil, most of which are high detergent and will attract and hold crud in suspension. Any crud that remains in the engine should come out with subsequent oil changes.


For such a short interval I'd use something more powerful like Kreen. I don't think a good synthetic, or oil spiked with mmo will do a whole lot in such a short interval. Been there done that. But hey give it a shot and report back.

I'd add mmo about 1k miles before the oci, dump it. Then run mmo the full oci. Different strokes for different folks.

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#3416058 - 07/06/14 11:17 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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The Auto-RX crew never seems to understand that to sell a product you have to have good customer relations. And of course a product that works.

So yes Trav, might as well enjoy yourself. I will be gone for a while here soon. Yesterday I was gone for a while and Trajan went after me. Maybe somebody will go after me today.

Some of the stuff that is said is so illogical I don't know how to respond. Like a guy blaming me for encouraging him to use Auto-RX and he likes Auto-RX and says that it works. Say what? If he likes Auto-RX and encourages other guys to use it why does it matter if I (the guy he said encouraged him to try it) still use it or not?

And then he can't make up his mind if he actually used Auto-RX or not. In the very same reply he says that he tried it and that he never used it. Say what? I really don't know what to say about that. Maybe he means that he tried in once or twice or whatever but does not use it now. But I should not have to write for him.

And of course a person is never allowed to change their mind about a product. And if you liked a product in the past but it has been years since you used it and you don't like the product any more, you will be reminded forever that you liked the product in the past.

So you might as well enjoy your beer and your food.

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#3416084 - 07/06/14 11:43 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
+ Yesterday I was gone for a while and Trajan went after me. .


You really need to see a professional about your persecution complex.

No one is going after you. The truth is you have used it. Said it worked. Said it's at the top of your list. Posted positive results about it over and over.

Now, if you don't want to use it any more, that is your right. But you can't claim that it doesn't work after claiming over and over that it does.

Not without your credibility and veracity being called into question.
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#3416271 - 07/06/14 03:37 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Trajan, you keep talking about my credibility and veracity. Well, I am not impressed with YOUR credibility and veracity.

I can remember when I had to copy and paste your praise of MMO before your remembered your praise of MMO. Do you recall that? Or would I have to copy and paste again?

And I don't think you are qualified to evaluate my 'persecution complex.'

I can see you are going to try to continue to discredit me by saying I praised Auto-RX in the past. The thing I repeatedly said in the past that made me think the product worked was that a seal leak stopped after I used it.

The Auto-RX crowd really need to rethink things here. They get nowhere by attacking anybody who does not like Auto-RX and they get nowhere by trying to discredit anybody who experienced poor customer care. Several guys here at this website who used Auto-RX can attest to that poor quality customer care.

I moved away from Auto-RX for several reasons. I am done repeating those reasons over and over again for your satisfaction. They are very good reasons to stop using a product.

People here are not dumb. They are not going to believe a product works and use it just because one guy says he did compression testing to prove that the product works. And if people receive poor customer care they are not going to go back.

From your posts above Trajan nobody can figure out if you actually used Auto-RX or not. Did you? Maybe you can do better than the reply above where you both said you had used Auto-RX because of my recommendation and that you do not use it. Care to clarify?

Then you make the silly comment that you are angry at me because you followed my recommendations to try Auto-RX but I later stopped using the product. Well, if you like Auto-RX and you actually use it then IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF I STOPPED USING THE PRODUCT OR NOT! Is that not correct? If you like the product why would you be upset about me recommending it? Can you not see that makes no sense?

Do not mention me again as a user of Auto-RX who was satisfied. Because I was not happy about being attacked for merely suggesting that other products could be talked about in the Oil Additives Section. I was not happy about a guy saying that he received product in exchange for promoting the product. Was that guy telling the truth? I don't know. But by that time I had had enough. And I quit using it right after that. That was YEARS AGO Trajan! I almost quit using Auto-RX, and should had stopped using Auto-RX, after I was attacked for merely suggesting that other things besides Auto-RX should be discussed in the Oil Additives Section. That individual is no longer a member of bobistheoilguy.com. He was banned. Although not for that reason.

After what I experienced as a loyal customer of Auto-RX I will never use the product again. Not ever. I was a good customer and I was treated very badly. I have used and will continue to use MMO and I might use Kreen someday. Lots of guys here talk about MMO and Kreen and are happy with those products. Nobody here has to promote MMO. It is readily and cheaply available from a Wal-Mart Store in my area. Kreen is available from Kano Labs, which is a reputable company as far as I know.

I think I will go get that beer and peanuts now.

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#3416280 - 07/06/14 03:51 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Do you remember this statement from you Trajan? It was back in 7/21/2005.

"My V6 Camaro (3.8) would ping on leaving a light/stop sign. Techron, Seafoam, Regane didn't stop it. But MMO does. It also seems quieter."

Now you put down MMO all the time. I had to copy and paste that statement from you above for you to even admit to it. You like to bring up all the time that since I praised Auto-RX in the past I can't now say anything bad about Auto-RX.

Well, from now on when I see you putting down MMO and saying it does not work, I am going to remind you about how you praised MMO and said that it worked for you when other products did not.

You say I can't say anything negative about Auto-RX because I praised it in the past. Well, in that case you can't say anything negative about MMO. Because you praised MMO in the past.


Edited by Mystic (07/06/14 03:52 PM)

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#3416287 - 07/06/14 04:04 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
rockydee Offline


Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Do you remember this statement from you Trajan? It was back in 7/21/2005.

"My V6 Camaro (3.8) would ping on leaving a light/stop sign. Techron, Seafoam, Regane didn't stop it. But MMO does. It also seems quieter."

Now you put down MMO all the time. I had to copy and paste that statement from you above for you to even admit to it. You like to bring up all the time that since I praised Auto-RX in the past I can't now say anything bad about Auto-RX.

Well, from now on when I see you putting down MMO and saying it does not work, I am going to remind you about how you praised MMO and said that it worked for you when other products did not.

You say I can't say anything negative about Auto-RX because I praised it in the past. Well, in that case you can't say anything negative about MMO. Because you praised MMO in the past.


Yea I read that thread, no biggie. The bottom line is people change their minds that's cool. But when mind changers attack mind changers for changing their minds I have a problem with that, and they should be warned. But if the mods don't care there's not much you're going to do about it.

This thread should die already.

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#3416350 - 07/06/14 05:24 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.
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#3416380 - 07/06/14 06:07 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
rockydee Offline


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Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: Trav
Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.



You got that right. I did a lot of digging through old threads, the picture is very clear just about every time the engine cleaning topic comes up.

This time, once again it seems like Mystic is a primary target, and changing his mind was the crime. lol Show me a person who never changed their mind, and I'll show you a liar.

In another day or so I hop in my Wrangler, head east to Utah on my slow way back to VA, so I'll be missing out on the fun. God it feels good to retire early.

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#3416382 - 07/06/14 06:11 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.



I do then hand over $500-600 for a case depending on exchange rate at the time. Cheap as really

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#3416393 - 07/06/14 06:23 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Trav
Don't play this stupid game he is just trying to get you wound up so you get yourself banned.
Anyone who is really interested will dig though a lot of old threads and think twice before laying $28 out.



I do then hand over $500-600 for a case depending on exchange rate at the time. Cheap as really


Glad I don't have to pay anywhere near that if I was to buy it again.

As for the rest.............

Post a favorable comment on the product, and the ARX haters come out right on cue. Looks like Pavlovian conditioning isn't limited to dogs.


Edited by Trajan (07/06/14 06:27 PM)
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#3416396 - 07/06/14 06:29 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.

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#3416485 - 07/06/14 07:48 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: Trajan


As for the rest.............

Post a favorable comment on the product, and the ARX haters come out right on cue. Looks like Pavlovian conditioning isn't limited to dogs.


As a fairly new member it looks to me like the knife cuts both ways. Usually a stupid comment about mmo or one of the rx competing products starts the ball rolling and the fun begins. At least from my reading these past few days. MMO seems the most hated though. I wonder why it bothers guys so much, especially those who never tried it? I have to do a bit more reading and figure that out.

This stuff makes for some good Sunday afternoon/evening entertainment.

But what I find most entertaining, is changing your mind brings on major attacks, I hope I never post about changing my mind.

Trav- I found your information very informative, and from your credentials it has a lot weight and gained my respect fast. Keep up the good work man.

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#3416780 - 07/07/14 01:06 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.


Rx works for me but again I don't follow the 'instructions'. According to the 'lunchtime legends' that invalidates the results. I can live with that

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#3416836 - 07/07/14 07:00 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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So what you are saying is they have no idea how their product works enough to even publish correct instructions for its use.
Sounds like a tried and test product to me. Grab your shovel and dig in that hole a little. LOL
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#3416910 - 07/07/14 08:34 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.


Rx works for me but again I don't follow the 'instructions'. According to the 'lunchtime legends' that invalidates the results. I can live with that


Cool if that's what it takes for that stuff to work. That's close to $60, and if you have to do a second treatment, a 120 bucks. I have better things to spend $60-$120 on, especially when a $5 qt. of Marvel worked for me for lots of years. If/when needed.

Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.

But like I said before, use it if it makes you happy. .

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#3416937 - 07/07/14 09:09 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."


Edited by Trajan (07/07/14 09:10 AM)
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#3416968 - 07/07/14 09:36 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
rockydee Offline


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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."


Thanks for the correction, spell check taken for granted. I read some of the late GA's posts too.He had a gift for writing. He had some success with mmo too, then became an rx consultant at some point. Employee of sorts? I haven't read all of it.

Perceive, good word, unless my eyes are failing I've actually seen results. Don't believe me, I don't expect you too. Perceive applies to rx too if you think about it.

I also read that rx gets real thick and almost freezes in the winter. People left it in the garage and it was useless until heated. That doesn't mess with the so called delicate balance of the oil? Any proof? Or is it something the maker will tell you is fine?

I could have sworn I read somewhere of a guy putting it in a transfer case during the winter and it rendered it useless, he had to heat it up to get it out so the trans case would work again.

I think we might possibly agree on one point. A good oil needs nothing in a well maintained engine that's clean. So leave the mmo on the store shelf, and the rx in Florida if you have a good running well maintained engine. smile


Edited by rockydee (07/07/14 09:44 AM)

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#3417207 - 07/07/14 02:45 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.


Rx works for me but again I don't follow the 'instructions'. According to the 'lunchtime legends' that invalidates the results. I can live with that


Don't plat their stupid game Sprint. Especially from one who hates the product and maker so much that any favorable post draws ire and.


As for "silly comments", the truth isn't one.

Here's another "silly comment"... or two....

"Auto-RX is the ONLY oil additive that I am 100% certain works. I am pretty much turned off from oil additives anyway, but not Auto-RX."

"I fully support Auto-RX and Frank also. As far as Frank is concerned, I have very rarely ever dealt with a nicer person. Two of the nicest people I have ever bought stuff from are Tim Mills (who sells Schaeffer's Oil products) and Frank of Auto-RX."

Truth can't be denied.


Edited by Trajan (07/07/14 02:47 PM)
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#3417520 - 07/07/14 07:39 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan

Don't plat their stupid game Sprint.

How original. If you need some original material let me know. I thought drive it like a Kamikaze on crack was pretty good myself. It sure got old Sprintmans knickers in a twist. LOL

You two are a laugh a minute, my evening entertainment.
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#3417628 - 07/07/14 09:17 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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The question I have is if Trajan ever figured out if he had tried Auto-RX or does not use it. In a reply of his above in this post nobody could figure out what he was saying. Because in the same reply he both said he had tried Auto-RX and that he does not use it.

Once he seemed to think that MMO was really something special but I doubt he would be willing to say that now.

So now he says that Auto-RX is great, the one oil additive that he believes in. But in his reply above in this post, that anybody can read, at one point he says he does not use Auto-RX.

I asked Trajan about all of this in this post and I asked if he would clarify all of this. He has not responded. So we still have him IN THE SAME REPLY in this post both saying that he tried Auto-RX and that he does not use it. Anybody can read all of that a few replies above.

And Trav, I did like the Kamikaze on crack. That was funny.

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#3417684 - 07/07/14 10:03 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years.


It wasn't me who wrote all those posts. It was you. It was those posts that played a big part in my using it during my anecdote acceptance years.

So don't blame me if you now reject what is by your lights evidence. And don't whine about it now.

I'm giving you credit for steering me to use a product that in your own words many people have used with success.

Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over.

Shouldn't of called me out in an above post Mystic.




Trajan sometimes seems to not remember what he wrote. So here is what he said in his own words.

He says (Quote): Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either."

I find it kind of strange that somebody would say an oil supplement was the only one he believes in, and encourages people to use it, and to use his own words: "I haven't used it either.' So if he does not use the product, WHY IS HE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE IT AND WHY DOES HE SAY HE IS 100% CONVINCED THAT AUTO-RX WORKS?

Now, Auto-RX is a cleaning product and is not really intended to be used all the time. Although a person is encouraged to use a maintenance dose. I know. I used Auto-RX years ago. But if I believed in a product I would certainly use it. And if Trajan believes in this product so strongly he should still be using maintenance doses. But he says that he has not used it. Read his own words.

Meanwhile, sprintman always encourages people to use double the recommended amount and drive further than the directions state. Is a double dose actually required? Is more mileage than in the directions actually required?

I would much rather take advice from Trav (a professional mechanic) and demarpaint. In the case of demarpaint he has used MMO for some 40 years. And Trav has had success with Kreen in some dirty engines and Kreen is made by Kano Labs, a professional company.


Edited by Mystic (07/07/14 10:04 PM)

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#3417728 - 07/07/14 10:36 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Yea I read a lot of Demars posts too, my findings are similar, only he has a few years on me, and probably used a lot more Marvel.

I must say these threads are very entertaining, and I've learned what to stay clear of.

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#3417744 - 07/07/14 11:00 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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I don't care what a guy wants to use. If a guy wants to use Auto-RX that is fine. It is a free country. If a guy wants to use MMO or Kreen or Lubegard Engine Flush that is fine. People should be allowed to use whatever products they want to use. It is their money and their choices.

In the Oil Additives Section here people should be allowed to discuss various products. Is that not what this section is for? But whenever somebody tries to discuss MMO or Kreen the same group of people show up attacking what people say about MMO and Kreen and promoting their own product.

Compare the behavior of some people here as compared to Trav and demarpaint. I think that Trav and demarpaint are professional and knowledgeable. I consider them to be two of the most respected members here.

And if somebody changes their mind about a product and stops using it that should be fine also. I changed my mind YEARS AGO about Auto-RX and Trajan keeps bringing up forever that I used the product and thought that the product worked. I did use Auto-RX and I thought it worked because a seal leak stopped on a car I used to own. I don't use Auto-RX anymore. Can we move on?

The behavior of people reveals a lot about themselves. Don't look just at what somebody says. Look at how they behave. If you are buying a product how do you want for the seller of that product to act? Don't you want professional and knowledgeable people as the sellers? Or do you want to buy a product from somebody who is constantly attacking other people and telling you they use twice the recommended amount of product and use it for twice the recommended mileage?

Do you want to buy a product from somebody who says everything else is trash and only their product is worthwhile? I think I want to make that decision for myself.

Now I am not saying that sprintman and Trajan are selling Auto-RX. But they certainly seem to encourage people here to buy Auto-RX. And Trajan says he does not use it and I tend to be kind of leery of somebody who tells me to use something and apparently does not use it himself.

I am not saying either that Trav and demarpaint are selling MMO and Kreen. Nobody here is going to be promoting MMO unless that person believes in it. A bottle of MMO at my local Wal-Mart costs about $5.00, or less. Kreen is sold by Kano Labs.

I think that any reasonable person can look at what I have said here and realize that I have made honest statements.

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#3417806 - 07/08/14 12:44 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Well Mystic- I don't care what a person uses either. When it comes right down to it find a product that's cost effective, simple to use, and that has a good following. Good following to me means, [%] of actual users with positive results, vs. complaints. Like I said before, I did some digging for [censored] & giggles, and was amazed and entertained at the same time.

What caught my eye in this tread is the attacks against you for changing your mind. I find that crazy. Then trying to get you all fired up. Childish behavior allowed on such a well respected site should be a no-no.

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#3417811 - 07/08/14 12:58 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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There is a sticky at the top of this forum for good reason.

I'd bet that more threads have been locked and more members given a vacation (sometimes permanent) over this product than any other.

The Arx story is (mostly) in the archives, I'd guess it would make good reading to someone that is really interested.

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#3417819 - 07/08/14 01:08 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: expat]
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Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: expat
There is a sticky at the top of this forum for good reason.

I'd bet that more threads have been locked and more members given a vacation (sometimes permanent) over this product than any other.

The Arx story is (mostly) in the archives, I'd guess it would make good reading to someone that is really interested.


It was a great read for me. The locked threads were very informative, and will keep me using olde faithful if the need ever arises again. It will be a while before I tackle another project car, I want to do some more traveling.

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#3417872 - 07/08/14 05:29 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 11006
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."


Thanks for the correction, spell check taken for granted. I read some of the late GA's posts too.He had a gift for writing. He had some success with mmo too, then became an rx consultant at some point. Employee of sorts? I haven't read all of it.

Perceive, good word, unless my eyes are failing I've actually seen results. Don't believe me, I don't expect you too. Perceive applies to rx too if you think about it.

I also read that rx gets real thick and almost freezes in the winter. People left it in the garage and it was useless until heated. That doesn't mess with the so called delicate balance of the oil? Any proof? Or is it something the maker will tell you is fine?

I could have sworn I read somewhere of a guy putting it in a transfer case during the winter and it rendered it useless, he had to heat it up to get it out so the trans case would work again.

I think we might possibly agree on one point. A good oil needs nothing in a well maintained engine that's clean. So leave the mmo on the store shelf, and the rx in Florida if you have a good running well maintained engine. smile


-4C when I added RX the other day without a problem as I have for 12 years. Some people just go looking for problems and yes they usually find 'em.

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#3417874 - 07/08/14 05:33 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
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Posts: 11006
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years.


It wasn't me who wrote all those posts. It was you. It was those posts that played a big part in my using it during my anecdote acceptance years.

So don't blame me if you now reject what is by your lights evidence. And don't whine about it now.

I'm giving you credit for steering me to use a product that in your own words many people have used with success.

Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over.

Shouldn't of called me out in an above post Mystic.




Trajan sometimes seems to not remember what he wrote. So here is what he said in his own words.

He says (Quote): Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either."

I find it kind of strange that somebody would say an oil supplement was the only one he believes in, and encourages people to use it, and to use his own words: "I haven't used it either.' So if he does not use the product, WHY IS HE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE IT AND WHY DOES HE SAY HE IS 100% CONVINCED THAT AUTO-RX WORKS?

Now, Auto-RX is a cleaning product and is not really intended to be used all the time. Although a person is encouraged to use a maintenance dose. I know. I used Auto-RX years ago. But if I believed in a product I would certainly use it. And if Trajan believes in this product so strongly he should still be using maintenance doses. But he says that he has not used it. Read his own words.

Meanwhile, sprintman always encourages people to use double the recommended amount and drive further than the directions state. Is a double dose actually required? Is more mileage than in the directions actually required?

I would much rather take advice from Trav (a professional mechanic) and demarpaint. In the case of demarpaint he has used MMO for some 40 years. And Trav has had success with Kreen in some dirty engines and Kreen is made by Kano Labs, a professional company.


depending on sump size. One bottle in an 8 quart sump like my Falcon won't be as good as one bottle in my 4 quart sump Forester. Stands to reason so the Falcon usually gets two bottles until recently. Trying a new methodology on the Falcon but very early days...........

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#3417979 - 07/08/14 08:27 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Posts: 151
Loc: VA
sprintman-how many times do u have to clean a engine? Are you getting them clean the first time? You said-"Your Falcon usually gets two bottles until recently." I cleaned project car engines up, and engines neglected by friends and prev. owners and they stayed clean once good oil was used and changed when required. Just asking that's all.

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#3418153 - 07/08/14 11:44 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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That is exactly correct. How many times does a person have to clean an engine? Isn't the cleaning product working?

When I used Auto-RX a long time ago in the past it was supposed to clean the engine after the cleaning and rinse phrases and then a smaller maintenance dose was recommended to keep the engine clean. And I don't remember two or more bottles of Auto-RX being recommended unless a person had an engine with a very large oil sump. During the rinse phrase no Auto-RX was supposed to be used and the maintenance dose was something like 4 oz. I also think a person was supposed to drive only 3000 miles during the cleaning phrase. But it has been a long time and I can't remember exactly.

A lot easier (and cheaper) just to buy Kreen and use it. Or MMO with 20% or 25% being MMO and the rest being oil.

Again, before using any of these cleaning products, it would probably be a good idea just to try a good cleaning motor oil (like Mobil 1) with short OCIs. If that gets the job done fine. As long as you use an oil of the correct viscosity and that meets all of the vehicle requirements there is no way you will get in trouble just using a good cleaning motor oil with short OCIs.

You should be able to see that I am not trying to convince anybody to use a certain product. I am not saying that a certain product is the best and everything else is trash. I am not trying to promote any product. In fact I say try a good cleaning motor oil first. And there are various motor oils that are supposed to be good such as Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Ultra.

MMO is readily available at my local Wal-Mart Store. A bottle costs about $5.00 or less. I still use it in the fuel of my car and in the fuel of my lawnmower and I am going to use it in the fuel of my wheeled weed trimmer. So I actually use the product.

I have not used Kreen. It is available from Kano Labs. Trav says that he had success with it cleaning some engines and Trav is a professional mechanic. I might use it someday.

There are other products. Auto-RX of course. Lubegard Engine Flush. Amsoil Engine Flush. Take your pick. Does it look like I am promoting a certain product?

I don't have any sort of connections to any of the companies that make these products. All I care about is that a product works and is not too expensive.

I read the Oil Additives Section here to find out about various products. If people are allowed to write about various products here and not interrupted by somebody trying to promote some product.

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#3418193 - 07/08/14 12:37 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3382
Loc: SE PA
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."


Thanks for the correction, spell check taken for granted. I read some of the late GA's posts too.He had a gift for writing. He had some success with mmo too, then became an rx consultant at some point. Employee of sorts? I haven't read all of it.

Perceive, good word, unless my eyes are failing I've actually seen results. Don't believe me, I don't expect you too. Perceive applies to rx too if you think about it.

I also read that rx gets real thick and almost freezes in the winter. People left it in the garage and it was useless until heated. That doesn't mess with the so called delicate balance of the oil? Any proof? Or is it something the maker will tell you is fine?

I could have sworn I read somewhere of a guy putting it in a transfer case during the winter and it rendered it useless, he had to heat it up to get it out so the trans case would work again.

I think we might possibly agree on one point. A good oil needs nothing in a well maintained engine that's clean. So leave the mmo on the store shelf, and the rx in Florida if you have a good running well maintained engine. smile


-4C when I added RX the other day without a problem as I have for 12 years. Some people just go looking for problems and yes they usually find 'em.


The last bottle I had from the original purchase many years ago I added to the Z4. In winter. And the car never saw the inside of a garage.

Not only did it not freeze, it fixed a problem MMO failed to. (thought the latter did, but said problem returned.
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#3418210 - 07/08/14 12:49 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3382
Loc: SE PA
Originally Posted By: Mystic
The question

So now he says that Auto-RX is great, the one oil additive that he believes in. But in his reply above in this post, that anybody can read, at one point he says he does not use Auto-RX.


Ummm, it was *you* who uttered those words.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5952#Post265952

I fully support Auto-RX and Frank also. As far as Frank is concerned, I have very rarely ever dealt with a nicer person. Two of the nicest people I have ever bought stuff from are Tim Mills (who sells Schaeffer's Oil products) and Frank of Auto-RX.

Auto-RX works. I don't work for GM or Ford or Toyota but I can tell you it works. I had some seepage of oil around gaskets and I tried Valvoline MaxLife, which is supposed to stop and prevent oil leakage. Although the Valvoline seemed to work good in my car as a motor oil, it really did nothing for the oil leakage. But after I did two treatments with Auto-RX the oil seepage stopped. My car also runs better and I think that this is a combination of finding fuel system cleaners that work, and Auto-RX.


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5078#Post265078

Let me tell you, w8liftr, Auto-RX really works!
I would recommend Auto-RX to anybody..... Frank Miller, the guy who sells Auto-RX, is really a cool guy.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5178#Post265178

had a slight seal leak, so I tried Valvoline MaxLife oil, which is supposed to have special seal conditioners. I actually liked the oil-it seemed to run good in my car. But MaxLife did nothing about the seal leak. I then tried Auto-RX, and after a couple of treatments it stopped the leak! I have no evidence or anything, but I think those high mileage oils are over-rated, at least when it comes to solving oil leaks from seals. I think a person is better off using a good conventional oil, like Castrol GTX, Pennzoil, or Chevron, and using Auto-RX. After the cleaning, 3 oz. of Auto-RX can be used in the oil to keep the engine clean. Auto-RX is the ONLY oil additive that I am 100% certain works. I am pretty much turned off from oil additives anyway, but not Auto-RX.

It's nice to have an eidetic memory.

Oh and yes, in reply to your "I haven't used ARX in years", the reply was that I haven't either. Which means, I haven't used it years either.


Edited by Trajan (07/08/14 12:53 PM)
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#3418224 - 07/08/14 12:59 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Just wondering why when placed in a freezer the stuff just about freezes? Then I read or heard about it having to be heated up to get it out of a transfer case in the winter. I keep reading about oil formulations being a delicate blend of additives tested etc, and rx has no impact, yet other additives have or can have a negative impact. What's it gonna be fellas?

Something that needs to be heated to pour if stored in a cold space is not something I want to pour in my engine. Anyone have a bottle of rx laying around toss in in your freezer over night and report back. Let me know if you'd add it to your oil, especially when thin is supposed to be in.

Hey Trajan toss a bottle in the freezer and report back. Added to oil it has no impact, funny mmo thins, lucas thickens, rx no impact? Sorry I'm not believing it.


Edited by rockydee (07/08/14 01:07 PM)

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#3418245 - 07/08/14 01:14 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
rockydee Offline


Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic
The question

So now he says that Auto-RX is great, the one oil additive that he believes in. But in his reply above in this post, that anybody can read, at one point he says he does not use Auto-RX.


Ummm, it was *you* who uttered those words.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5952#Post265952

I fully support Auto-RX and Frank also. As far as Frank is concerned, I have very rarely ever dealt with a nicer person. Two of the nicest people I have ever bought stuff from are Tim Mills (who sells Schaeffer's Oil products) and Frank of Auto-RX.

Auto-RX works. I don't work for GM or Ford or Toyota but I can tell you it works. I had some seepage of oil around gaskets and I tried Valvoline MaxLife, which is supposed to stop and prevent oil leakage. Although the Valvoline seemed to work good in my car as a motor oil, it really did nothing for the oil leakage. But after I did two treatments with Auto-RX the oil seepage stopped. My car also runs better and I think that this is a combination of finding fuel system cleaners that work, and Auto-RX.


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5078#Post265078

Let me tell you, w8liftr, Auto-RX really works!
I would recommend Auto-RX to anybody..... Frank Miller, the guy who sells Auto-RX, is really a cool guy.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5178#Post265178

had a slight seal leak, so I tried Valvoline MaxLife oil, which is supposed to have special seal conditioners. I actually liked the oil-it seemed to run good in my car. But MaxLife did nothing about the seal leak. I then tried Auto-RX, and after a couple of treatments it stopped the leak! I have no evidence or anything, but I think those high mileage oils are over-rated, at least when it comes to solving oil leaks from seals. I think a person is better off using a good conventional oil, like Castrol GTX, Pennzoil, or Chevron, and using Auto-RX. After the cleaning, 3 oz. of Auto-RX can be used in the oil to keep the engine clean. Auto-RX is the ONLY oil additive that I am 100% certain works. I am pretty much turned off from oil additives anyway, but not Auto-RX.

It's nice to have an eidetic memory.

Oh and yes, in reply to your "I haven't used ARX in years", the reply was that I haven't either. Which means, I haven't used it years either.


He changed his mind, get over it. Ever like a person, then he/she does something and [censored] you off and you dislike that person? It happens, move on.

Maybe Mystic realized over the years and thousands of threads that rx isn't what its cracked up to be. That happens too. Look how you did an mmo about face.

In the end who cares? lol

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#3418298 - 07/08/14 01:44 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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He will keep that kind of stuff up forever rockydee. That is a reflection on what sort of person he is. At least he finally said that he did use Auto-RX. It was kind of confusing when he both said he had tried it and that he does not use it in the same reply. But I can't write his posts and replies for him. I personally have not used Auto-RX for many years.

I am not going to keep going over all of the reasons I stopped using Auto-RX. I had good reasons. But the people who promote Auto-RX and interrupt posts about MMO or Kreen turn me off. If some of these guys who promote Auto-RX were working in an auto parts store I would turn around and walk out.

I have used Auto-RX. They supposedly changed the formula somewhat a while back but what I remember is that it was so thick in the cold it would not flow out of the container. Kind of like how STP was. You had to heat the stuff to make it flow if the container had gotten cold. I was afraid to use Auto-RX in the wintertime. I thought it might interfere with the flow of the oil. I only used it in warmer temperatures and after I saw what cold temperature did to it I always stored the bottles inside my house rather than the garage.

The claim was that once it was in the oil it did not matter if it was cold. But if you put something very thick into oil it seems to me it has to have some effect on the flow characteristics of the oil.

What made me think that Auto-RX works is that a seal leak stopped after I used Auto-RX. Maybe it can stop seal leaks. But regardless what its effectiveness is as to cleaning engines there are other, cheaper products that can do the job. I have not used Kreen but Trav is a professional mechanic and I trust what he says. And demarpaint has used MMO for about 40 years. And there are other products like Amsoil engine flush, Lubegard engine flush, and so forth. Auto-RX costs something like $26.00 a bottle and in comparison Kreen I think costs something like $13.00 and MMO $5.00 a bottle or so.

But a good cleaning motor oil can potentially clean an engine up somewhat and you are going to have to change oil anyway so why not try a good cleaning motor oil first? Makes sense to me.

I was very impressed with Auto-RX when I first used it because of how the seal leak stopped. After I found out more and after all of the stuff that happened here I wished I had never heard of the stuff.

In my opinion they need to find better promoters for Auto-RX here. I don't know how it helps them for a guy to say he uses double the recommended amount and drives double the recommended distance. Right away people are going to say to themselves it is expensive and according to this guy you have to use two bottles of the stuff-it must not work too well.

I also do not think they are helped by rude guys who interrupt the posts of other people. If I am reading a post about MMO I get irritated if some guy suddenly shows up and starts saying that MMO is trash and I should use Auto-RX which is the real deal and the only oil supplement anybody ever needs. All other oil supplements are garbage.

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#3418535 - 07/08/14 05:20 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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This was fun. Smart people who want to clean an engine should check the archives. Spend time, look at the locked threads. See why they were locked down. See who has an agenda, who is the real deal, count positive reviews, and negative reviews from actual users of these sacred elixirs. Decide based on that.

Remember: A fool and his money---------.
Don't clean your engine unless it needs cleaning.
Never change your mind.
If you post about a product expect some heat.

Most important, no one really cares what you do or what you use.

I'm done!
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#3418850 - 07/08/14 09:02 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Go buy some Rislone. Enjoy!
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#3418947 - 07/08/14 10:17 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
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Originally Posted By: rockydee
sprintman-how many times do u have to clean a engine? Are you getting them clean the first time? You said-"Your Falcon usually gets two bottles until recently." I cleaned project car engines up, and engines neglected by friends and prev. owners and they stayed clean once good oil was used and changed when required. Just asking that's all.


Falcons plural. Got a newish one (2005) and now one bottle of Rx Plus on trial but it's a big sump and filter, about 8 quarts and one probably isn't enough. One in the Forester but it's a small sump. Always trying different methodologies

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#3420370 - 07/10/14 06:57 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
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Originally Posted By: Sprintman
Always trying different methodologies


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#3422011 - 07/11/14 06:51 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Sprintman
Always trying different methodologies



As usual KK doesn't get it. What a surprise....


Edited by sprintman (07/11/14 06:52 PM)

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#3422158 - 07/11/14 09:26 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
Trav Offline


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If i knew it would get your knickers in such a twist i would have posted something different. LOL
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#3422289 - 07/12/14 12:12 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
If i knew it would get your knickers in such a twist i would have posted something different. LOL


Actually I couldn't give a [censored] but whatever floats your boat...

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#3422366 - 07/12/14 06:00 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Wow after a 2 week vacation I finally got to sit down and read this thread. I mean really read it, wow.

The resident MMO junkie/shill is considering Rislone in his son's Rav4. I see it got some good reviews while I was away. That's a name that has been around longer than MMO, maybe it will become the next Bitog cleaning favorite. Who knows if it works I may even become a convert. LOL
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#3422386 - 07/12/14 06:35 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Wow after a 2 week vacation I finally got to sit down and read this thread. I mean really read it, wow.

The resident MMO junkie/shill is considering Rislone in his son's Rav4. I see it got some good reviews while I was away. That's a name that has been around longer than MMO, maybe it will become the next Bitog cleaning favorite. Who knows if it works I may even become a convert. LOL


It's always such fun around here. Hope you had a great time!
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#3422392 - 07/12/14 06:39 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Wow after a 2 week vacation I finally got to sit down and read this thread. I mean really read it, wow.

The resident MMO junkie/shill is considering Rislone in his son's Rav4. I see it got some good reviews while I was away. That's a name that has been around longer than MMO, maybe it will become the next Bitog cleaning favorite. Who knows if it works I may even become a convert. LOL


It's always such fun around here. Hope you had a great time!


I did buddy! I got to spend quality time with my son, and sail across the Pacific on a US Navy Destroyer. Awesome!
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#3422433 - 07/12/14 07:13 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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You don't look like type of person who gets "vacation" from BITOG imposed upon him :-) We can all agree that there are few here who could certainly use such a "vacation"!


Edited by Vikas (07/12/14 07:14 AM)

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#3422435 - 07/12/14 07:17 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Vikas]
demarpaint Offline


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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Vikas
You don't look like type of person who gets "vacation" from BITOG imposed upon him :-) We can all agree that there are few here who could certainly use such a "vacation"!


LOL- Thanks Vikas, this was a vacation I decided to take. I'm sure there are a few people in need of a "vacation" from Bitog, and others hoping mine was permanent.
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#3422437 - 07/12/14 07:26 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: demarpaint]
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Hey Frank.Thanks for the MMO Tshirt, pens and coffee mug promo items you sent me i got them about 4 days after you went.
How was it on the ship with your son?
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#3422457 - 07/12/14 07:54 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
demarpaint Offline


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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Trav
Hey Frank.Thanks for the MMO Tshirt, pens and coffee mug promo items you sent me i got them about 4 days after you went.
How was it on the ship with your son?


Hey buddy no problem on the MMO gear, enjoy! smile The trip was great! I'm glad to see the shenanigans, shilling, derailing, and attacks in this thread had nothing to do with me. LOL
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#3422479 - 07/12/14 08:22 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: demarpaint]
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Welcome back Frank!

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#3422481 - 07/12/14 08:26 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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^^ Thanks! ^^
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#3422519 - 07/12/14 09:23 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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I have used Rislone a couple times, it seemed okay to me but no better than MMO in my opinion and the stuff I used cost more than double what MMO cost me.
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#3422539 - 07/12/14 10:17 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: KCJeep]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have used Rislone a couple times, it seemed okay to me but no better than MMO in my opinion and the stuff I used cost more than double what MMO cost me.


I hear ya. I might just give it a shot for curiosity, nothing more. If it works and I post about it maybe they'll send me coffee mug if I push it enough. wink
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#3422554 - 07/12/14 10:35 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have used Rislone a couple times, it seemed okay to me but no better than MMO in my opinion and the stuff I used cost more than double what MMO cost me.


I hear ya. I might just give it a shot for curiosity, nothing more. If it works and I post about it maybe they'll send me coffee mug if I push it enough. wink


Remember though if shill a product on BITOG some posters (some shills would call them thugs) may stomp around in your thread and most would say rightfully so.
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#3422570 - 07/12/14 10:56 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I have used Rislone a couple times, it seemed okay to me but no better than MMO in my opinion and the stuff I used cost more than double what MMO cost me.


I hear ya. I might just give it a shot for curiosity, nothing more. If it works and I post about it maybe they'll send me coffee mug if I push it enough. wink


Remember though if shill a product on BITOG some posters (some shills would call them thugs) may stomp around in your thread and most would say rightfully so.


A thug, hide oh my.
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#3422728 - 07/12/14 03:01 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
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Where to get MMO window stickers?
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#3423058 - 07/12/14 09:15 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: MrQuackers]
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I would love to have MMO and Kreen baseball type caps and T-shirts. I would wear them to the baseball games.
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#3423416 - 07/13/14 10:42 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
Trav Offline


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Posts: 10249
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All kidding aside MMO, Kano Labs or Rislone may be a good sponsor in the oil additive section.
Get some cool Promo stuff.
All are reputable companies and may appreciate the exposure.


Edited by Trav (07/13/14 10:44 AM)
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#3423418 - 07/13/14 10:52 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: Trav
All kidding aside MMO, Kano Labs or Rislone may be a good sponsor in the oil additive section.
Get some cool Promo stuff.
All are reputable companies and may appreciate the exposure.


All three stood the test of time that's for sure.
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#3426653 - 07/16/14 03:49 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: MrQuackers]
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Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: MrQuackers
Where to get MMO window stickers?


www.marvelmysteryoil.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/507/


From above link:

We do have Marvel Mystery Oil sticker
decals. If you send us a self-addressed, stamped
envelope, we’ll send some to you for free. Please
address to:
Marvel Oil Company
Attn: MMO Decals
625 Willowbrook Centre Parkway
Willowbrook, IL 60527
Also, please make sure the envelope is at least 4
inches wide to fit the decals. Thank you!
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