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#3417207 - 07/07/14 02:45 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3347
Loc: SE PA
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Yeah Trav. That is true. No way I will ever pay that again. MMO is much cheaper and Kreen is also cheaper. And they work.

I am done. Let them make whatever silly comments they want to make. After all, it reflects on them.


Rx works for me but again I don't follow the 'instructions'. According to the 'lunchtime legends' that invalidates the results. I can live with that


Don't plat their stupid game Sprint. Especially from one who hates the product and maker so much that any favorable post draws ire and.


As for "silly comments", the truth isn't one.

Here's another "silly comment"... or two....

"Auto-RX is the ONLY oil additive that I am 100% certain works. I am pretty much turned off from oil additives anyway, but not Auto-RX."

"I fully support Auto-RX and Frank also. As far as Frank is concerned, I have very rarely ever dealt with a nicer person. Two of the nicest people I have ever bought stuff from are Tim Mills (who sells Schaeffer's Oil products) and Frank of Auto-RX."

Truth can't be denied.


Edited by Trajan (07/07/14 02:47 PM)
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#3417520 - 07/07/14 07:39 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 9919
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: Trajan

Don't plat their stupid game Sprint.

How original. If you need some original material let me know. I thought drive it like a Kamikaze on crack was pretty good myself. It sure got old Sprintmans knickers in a twist. LOL

You two are a laugh a minute, my evening entertainment.
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#3417628 - 07/07/14 09:17 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trav]
Mystic Offline


Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 7516
Loc: Colorado
The question I have is if Trajan ever figured out if he had tried Auto-RX or does not use it. In a reply of his above in this post nobody could figure out what he was saying. Because in the same reply he both said he had tried Auto-RX and that he does not use it.

Once he seemed to think that MMO was really something special but I doubt he would be willing to say that now.

So now he says that Auto-RX is great, the one oil additive that he believes in. But in his reply above in this post, that anybody can read, at one point he says he does not use Auto-RX.

I asked Trajan about all of this in this post and I asked if he would clarify all of this. He has not responded. So we still have him IN THE SAME REPLY in this post both saying that he tried Auto-RX and that he does not use it. Anybody can read all of that a few replies above.

And Trav, I did like the Kamikaze on crack. That was funny.

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#3417684 - 07/07/14 10:03 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Trajan]
Mystic Offline


Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 7516
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years.


It wasn't me who wrote all those posts. It was you. It was those posts that played a big part in my using it during my anecdote acceptance years.

So don't blame me if you now reject what is by your lights evidence. And don't whine about it now.

I'm giving you credit for steering me to use a product that in your own words many people have used with success.

Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over.

Shouldn't of called me out in an above post Mystic.




Trajan sometimes seems to not remember what he wrote. So here is what he said in his own words.

He says (Quote): Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either."

I find it kind of strange that somebody would say an oil supplement was the only one he believes in, and encourages people to use it, and to use his own words: "I haven't used it either.' So if he does not use the product, WHY IS HE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE IT AND WHY DOES HE SAY HE IS 100% CONVINCED THAT AUTO-RX WORKS?

Now, Auto-RX is a cleaning product and is not really intended to be used all the time. Although a person is encouraged to use a maintenance dose. I know. I used Auto-RX years ago. But if I believed in a product I would certainly use it. And if Trajan believes in this product so strongly he should still be using maintenance doses. But he says that he has not used it. Read his own words.

Meanwhile, sprintman always encourages people to use double the recommended amount and drive further than the directions state. Is a double dose actually required? Is more mileage than in the directions actually required?

I would much rather take advice from Trav (a professional mechanic) and demarpaint. In the case of demarpaint he has used MMO for some 40 years. And Trav has had success with Kreen in some dirty engines and Kreen is made by Kano Labs, a professional company.


Edited by Mystic (07/07/14 10:04 PM)

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#3417728 - 07/07/14 10:36 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
rockydee Offline


Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Yea I read a lot of Demars posts too, my findings are similar, only he has a few years on me, and probably used a lot more Marvel.

I must say these threads are very entertaining, and I've learned what to stay clear of.

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#3417744 - 07/07/14 11:00 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
Mystic Offline


Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 7516
Loc: Colorado
I don't care what a guy wants to use. If a guy wants to use Auto-RX that is fine. It is a free country. If a guy wants to use MMO or Kreen or Lubegard Engine Flush that is fine. People should be allowed to use whatever products they want to use. It is their money and their choices.

In the Oil Additives Section here people should be allowed to discuss various products. Is that not what this section is for? But whenever somebody tries to discuss MMO or Kreen the same group of people show up attacking what people say about MMO and Kreen and promoting their own product.

Compare the behavior of some people here as compared to Trav and demarpaint. I think that Trav and demarpaint are professional and knowledgeable. I consider them to be two of the most respected members here.

And if somebody changes their mind about a product and stops using it that should be fine also. I changed my mind YEARS AGO about Auto-RX and Trajan keeps bringing up forever that I used the product and thought that the product worked. I did use Auto-RX and I thought it worked because a seal leak stopped on a car I used to own. I don't use Auto-RX anymore. Can we move on?

The behavior of people reveals a lot about themselves. Don't look just at what somebody says. Look at how they behave. If you are buying a product how do you want for the seller of that product to act? Don't you want professional and knowledgeable people as the sellers? Or do you want to buy a product from somebody who is constantly attacking other people and telling you they use twice the recommended amount of product and use it for twice the recommended mileage?

Do you want to buy a product from somebody who says everything else is trash and only their product is worthwhile? I think I want to make that decision for myself.

Now I am not saying that sprintman and Trajan are selling Auto-RX. But they certainly seem to encourage people here to buy Auto-RX. And Trajan says he does not use it and I tend to be kind of leery of somebody who tells me to use something and apparently does not use it himself.

I am not saying either that Trav and demarpaint are selling MMO and Kreen. Nobody here is going to be promoting MMO unless that person believes in it. A bottle of MMO at my local Wal-Mart costs about $5.00, or less. Kreen is sold by Kano Labs.

I think that any reasonable person can look at what I have said here and realize that I have made honest statements.

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#3417806 - 07/08/14 12:44 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
rockydee Offline


Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Well Mystic- I don't care what a person uses either. When it comes right down to it find a product that's cost effective, simple to use, and that has a good following. Good following to me means, [%] of actual users with positive results, vs. complaints. Like I said before, I did some digging for [censored] & giggles, and was amazed and entertained at the same time.

What caught my eye in this tread is the attacks against you for changing your mind. I find that crazy. Then trying to get you all fired up. Childish behavior allowed on such a well respected site should be a no-no.

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#3417811 - 07/08/14 12:58 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
expat Offline


Registered: 05/12/09
Posts: 3819
Loc: Canada
There is a sticky at the top of this forum for good reason.

I'd bet that more threads have been locked and more members given a vacation (sometimes permanent) over this product than any other.

The Arx story is (mostly) in the archives, I'd guess it would make good reading to someone that is really interested.

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#3417819 - 07/08/14 01:08 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: expat]
rockydee Offline


Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: expat
There is a sticky at the top of this forum for good reason.

I'd bet that more threads have been locked and more members given a vacation (sometimes permanent) over this product than any other.

The Arx story is (mostly) in the archives, I'd guess it would make good reading to someone that is really interested.


It was a great read for me. The locked threads were very informative, and will keep me using olde faithful if the need ever arises again. It will be a while before I tackle another project car, I want to do some more traveling.

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#3417872 - 07/08/14 05:29 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
sprintman Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 11006
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."


Thanks for the correction, spell check taken for granted. I read some of the late GA's posts too.He had a gift for writing. He had some success with mmo too, then became an rx consultant at some point. Employee of sorts? I haven't read all of it.

Perceive, good word, unless my eyes are failing I've actually seen results. Don't believe me, I don't expect you too. Perceive applies to rx too if you think about it.

I also read that rx gets real thick and almost freezes in the winter. People left it in the garage and it was useless until heated. That doesn't mess with the so called delicate balance of the oil? Any proof? Or is it something the maker will tell you is fine?

I could have sworn I read somewhere of a guy putting it in a transfer case during the winter and it rendered it useless, he had to heat it up to get it out so the trans case would work again.

I think we might possibly agree on one point. A good oil needs nothing in a well maintained engine that's clean. So leave the mmo on the store shelf, and the rx in Florida if you have a good running well maintained engine. smile


-4C when I added RX the other day without a problem as I have for 12 years. Some people just go looking for problems and yes they usually find 'em.

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#3417874 - 07/08/14 05:33 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
sprintman Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 11006
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Don't speak for me Trajan. I will speak for myself. I have not used Auto-RX in years.


It wasn't me who wrote all those posts. It was you. It was those posts that played a big part in my using it during my anecdote acceptance years.

So don't blame me if you now reject what is by your lights evidence. And don't whine about it now.

I'm giving you credit for steering me to use a product that in your own words many people have used with success.

Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either. But that doesn't change the fact that you praised it over and over.

Shouldn't of called me out in an above post Mystic.




Trajan sometimes seems to not remember what he wrote. So here is what he said in his own words.

He says (Quote): Don't care if you stopped using it. I haven't used it either."

I find it kind of strange that somebody would say an oil supplement was the only one he believes in, and encourages people to use it, and to use his own words: "I haven't used it either.' So if he does not use the product, WHY IS HE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE IT AND WHY DOES HE SAY HE IS 100% CONVINCED THAT AUTO-RX WORKS?

Now, Auto-RX is a cleaning product and is not really intended to be used all the time. Although a person is encouraged to use a maintenance dose. I know. I used Auto-RX years ago. But if I believed in a product I would certainly use it. And if Trajan believes in this product so strongly he should still be using maintenance doses. But he says that he has not used it. Read his own words.

Meanwhile, sprintman always encourages people to use double the recommended amount and drive further than the directions state. Is a double dose actually required? Is more mileage than in the directions actually required?

I would much rather take advice from Trav (a professional mechanic) and demarpaint. In the case of demarpaint he has used MMO for some 40 years. And Trav has had success with Kreen in some dirty engines and Kreen is made by Kano Labs, a professional company.


depending on sump size. One bottle in an 8 quart sump like my Falcon won't be as good as one bottle in my 4 quart sump Forester. Stands to reason so the Falcon usually gets two bottles until recently. Trying a new methodology on the Falcon but very early days...........

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#3417979 - 07/08/14 08:27 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Oldswagon]
rockydee Offline


Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 151
Loc: VA
sprintman-how many times do u have to clean a engine? Are you getting them clean the first time? You said-"Your Falcon usually gets two bottles until recently." I cleaned project car engines up, and engines neglected by friends and prev. owners and they stayed clean once good oil was used and changed when required. Just asking that's all.

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#3418153 - 07/08/14 11:44 AM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: rockydee]
Mystic Offline


Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 7516
Loc: Colorado
That is exactly correct. How many times does a person have to clean an engine? Isn't the cleaning product working?

When I used Auto-RX a long time ago in the past it was supposed to clean the engine after the cleaning and rinse phrases and then a smaller maintenance dose was recommended to keep the engine clean. And I don't remember two or more bottles of Auto-RX being recommended unless a person had an engine with a very large oil sump. During the rinse phrase no Auto-RX was supposed to be used and the maintenance dose was something like 4 oz. I also think a person was supposed to drive only 3000 miles during the cleaning phrase. But it has been a long time and I can't remember exactly.

A lot easier (and cheaper) just to buy Kreen and use it. Or MMO with 20% or 25% being MMO and the rest being oil.

Again, before using any of these cleaning products, it would probably be a good idea just to try a good cleaning motor oil (like Mobil 1) with short OCIs. If that gets the job done fine. As long as you use an oil of the correct viscosity and that meets all of the vehicle requirements there is no way you will get in trouble just using a good cleaning motor oil with short OCIs.

You should be able to see that I am not trying to convince anybody to use a certain product. I am not saying that a certain product is the best and everything else is trash. I am not trying to promote any product. In fact I say try a good cleaning motor oil first. And there are various motor oils that are supposed to be good such as Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Ultra.

MMO is readily available at my local Wal-Mart Store. A bottle costs about $5.00 or less. I still use it in the fuel of my car and in the fuel of my lawnmower and I am going to use it in the fuel of my wheeled weed trimmer. So I actually use the product.

I have not used Kreen. It is available from Kano Labs. Trav says that he had success with it cleaning some engines and Trav is a professional mechanic. I might use it someday.

There are other products. Auto-RX of course. Lubegard Engine Flush. Amsoil Engine Flush. Take your pick. Does it look like I am promoting a certain product?

I don't have any sort of connections to any of the companies that make these products. All I care about is that a product works and is not too expensive.

I read the Oil Additives Section here to find out about various products. If people are allowed to write about various products here and not interrupted by somebody trying to promote some product.

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#3418193 - 07/08/14 12:37 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: sprintman]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3347
Loc: SE PA
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: rockydee


Lunchtime laggards, cool name. I don't see how it applies to a tech with Trav's credentials, but still a cool name.


Lunchtime legends actually. smile

To quote the late and much missed Gary Allan....

"Sure. MMO will probably do as you prescribe. But I have no need to adulterate perfectly blended, state of the art lubricants with it....

Auto-Rx is a much more elegant product than MMO. Yes, it's surely more expensive, but I feel that you do get what you pay for.

Feel free to use MMO and get whatever you can out of it. I just can't see tampering with a perfectly good oil to prevent something that should not occur. Auto-Rx, outside of the one natural ester component, is a friction modifier and an ester base stock. In a normal engine, a routine decoking of the rings every 50k-75k works well. In a problem engine, once clean, the maintenance dose would probably be the best way to go.

But as I said, enjoy the benefits of MMO as you perceive them."


Thanks for the correction, spell check taken for granted. I read some of the late GA's posts too.He had a gift for writing. He had some success with mmo too, then became an rx consultant at some point. Employee of sorts? I haven't read all of it.

Perceive, good word, unless my eyes are failing I've actually seen results. Don't believe me, I don't expect you too. Perceive applies to rx too if you think about it.

I also read that rx gets real thick and almost freezes in the winter. People left it in the garage and it was useless until heated. That doesn't mess with the so called delicate balance of the oil? Any proof? Or is it something the maker will tell you is fine?

I could have sworn I read somewhere of a guy putting it in a transfer case during the winter and it rendered it useless, he had to heat it up to get it out so the trans case would work again.

I think we might possibly agree on one point. A good oil needs nothing in a well maintained engine that's clean. So leave the mmo on the store shelf, and the rx in Florida if you have a good running well maintained engine. smile


-4C when I added RX the other day without a problem as I have for 12 years. Some people just go looking for problems and yes they usually find 'em.


The last bottle I had from the original purchase many years ago I added to the Z4. In winter. And the car never saw the inside of a garage.

Not only did it not freeze, it fixed a problem MMO failed to. (thought the latter did, but said problem returned.
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#3418210 - 07/08/14 12:49 PM Re: Cleaning Engine Internals [Re: Mystic]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3347
Loc: SE PA
Originally Posted By: Mystic
The question

So now he says that Auto-RX is great, the one oil additive that he believes in. But in his reply above in this post, that anybody can read, at one point he says he does not use Auto-RX.


Ummm, it was *you* who uttered those words.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5952#Post265952

I fully support Auto-RX and Frank also. As far as Frank is concerned, I have very rarely ever dealt with a nicer person. Two of the nicest people I have ever bought stuff from are Tim Mills (who sells Schaeffer's Oil products) and Frank of Auto-RX.

Auto-RX works. I don't work for GM or Ford or Toyota but I can tell you it works. I had some seepage of oil around gaskets and I tried Valvoline MaxLife, which is supposed to stop and prevent oil leakage. Although the Valvoline seemed to work good in my car as a motor oil, it really did nothing for the oil leakage. But after I did two treatments with Auto-RX the oil seepage stopped. My car also runs better and I think that this is a combination of finding fuel system cleaners that work, and Auto-RX.


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5078#Post265078

Let me tell you, w8liftr, Auto-RX really works!
I would recommend Auto-RX to anybody..... Frank Miller, the guy who sells Auto-RX, is really a cool guy.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...5178#Post265178

had a slight seal leak, so I tried Valvoline MaxLife oil, which is supposed to have special seal conditioners. I actually liked the oil-it seemed to run good in my car. But MaxLife did nothing about the seal leak. I then tried Auto-RX, and after a couple of treatments it stopped the leak! I have no evidence or anything, but I think those high mileage oils are over-rated, at least when it comes to solving oil leaks from seals. I think a person is better off using a good conventional oil, like Castrol GTX, Pennzoil, or Chevron, and using Auto-RX. After the cleaning, 3 oz. of Auto-RX can be used in the oil to keep the engine clean. Auto-RX is the ONLY oil additive that I am 100% certain works. I am pretty much turned off from oil additives anyway, but not Auto-RX.

It's nice to have an eidetic memory.

Oh and yes, in reply to your "I haven't used ARX in years", the reply was that I haven't either. Which means, I haven't used it years either.


Edited by Trajan (07/08/14 12:53 PM)
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