Red Line 5W-30, 2014 Focus ST, 5000 mi

[STupidfaST]

Switched to Red Line on latest fill after Pennzoil Ultra was discontinued. Very pleased with the results. Going to push the next OCI out to 6K.

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OIL RL5w30 PU5w30 PU5w30 PU5w30

MILES ON OIL 5,000 5,111 5,127 3,200

MILES ON CAR 21,142 16,142 11,031 5,904

SAMPLE TAKEN 6/20/14 5/2/14 3/15/14 1/22/14



ALUMINUM 2 7 4 3

CHROMIUM 0 1 0 0

IRON 12 12 12 10

COPPER 12 17 41 57

LEAD 1 0 0 0

TIN 0 4 0 1

MOLYBDENUM 511 52 52 50

NICKEL 0 0 0 0

MANGANESE 0 0 0 1

SILVER 0 0 0 0

TITANIUM 0 2 2 2

POTASSIUM 7 19 5 4

BORON 80 80 90 102

SILICON 16 13 15 17

SODIUM 12 4 5 3

CALCIUM 2533 2300 2259 2308

MAGNESIUM 9 23 23 35

PHOSPHORUS 1162 711 704 738

ZINC 1251 832 816 760

BARIUM 0 0 0 0



SUS VIS @ 210ºF 59.0 53.9 54.6 54.0

cSt VIS @ 100ºC 9.92 8.46 8.64 8.49

FLASHPOINT ºF 415 410 400 390

FUEL %
ANTIFREEZE % 0.0 ? 0.0 0.0

WATER % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

INSOLUBLES % 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.4

TBN 4.6 4.1 4.4 4.4

 

[yvon_la]

More gentle on aluminium ?nice!

 

[Turk]

It didn't shear down like the others.

Your wear metals are trending down as they should with a newer car.

Nice!

 

[901Memphis]

Although 1 ppm lead... Something to keep an eye out for. Looks like its finally broke and the noise is washing out.

 

[JerryBob]

How much more is the Redline vs another 5w30 synthetic? If you're paying 50% more, I don't see that you're getting 50% more performance with the Redline.

 

[edyvw]

cst 9.92 after 5000K?
RL is HEAVY 5W30 oil. It is Euro spec 5W30, and 9.92cst after 5K is nothing spectacular!
You might try Castrol 0W30 and see how it works!

 

[gonefishing]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
cst 9.92 after 5000K?
RL is HEAVY 5W30 oil. It is Euro spec 5W30, and 9.92cst after 5K is nothing spectacular!
You might try Castrol 0W30 and see how it works!


Wouldn't a 9.92cST be on the low end of a 30 grade oil? Looks to me that the RedLine 5W-30 stayed in grade (9.30-12.49cST) and the 5W-30 PU sheared out of grade (to the high side of a 20)

 

[Nate1979]

Both sheared about 20% based on 100C cST I found on the web for each oil.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: gonefishing
Originally Posted By: edyvw
cst 9.92 after 5000K?
RL is HEAVY 5W30 oil. It is Euro spec 5W30, and 9.92cst after 5K is nothing spectacular!
You might try Castrol 0W30 and see how it works!


Wouldn't a 9.92cST be on the low end of a 30 grade oil? Looks to me that the RedLine 5W-30 stayed in grade (9.30-12.49cST) and the 5W-30 PU sheared out of grade (to the high side of a 20)

Yes, but PU 5W30 starts lower then RL. RL starts at 11.9.
For example, when I did UOA on M1 0W40, it sheared from 13.5 to 13.3!
The Mobil1 ESP 5W30 that I use now starts at 12.1, and after 3.3K sheared to 11.07. I will do UOA again at 5K to see, but I think 9.9 is too much for oil that is heavy 5W30 unlike PU 5W30.
I do not think there is any problem, but actually I am surprised it sheared that much. Also, this result does not justify price of almost $12 per quart.
I would try Castrol 0W30 which is proven as shear stable and starts at 12.2cst.

 

[gpshumway]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
cst 9.92 after 5000K?
RL is HEAVY 5W30 oil. It is Euro spec 5W30, and 9.92cst after 5K is nothing spectacular!
You might try Castrol 0W30 and see how it works!


I would seriously doubt GC would stand up any better. I've used both GC and RL 5w30 in my WRX and RL stood up much better. I'm guessing a bit of fuel dilution is the reason for the lower viscosity, not shearing.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: gpshumway
Originally Posted By: edyvw
cst 9.92 after 5000K?
RL is HEAVY 5W30 oil. It is Euro spec 5W30, and 9.92cst after 5K is nothing spectacular!
You might try Castrol 0W30 and see how it works!


I would seriously doubt GC would stand up any better. I've used both GC and RL 5w30 in my WRX and RL stood up much better. I'm guessing a bit of fuel dilution is the reason for the lower viscosity, not shearing.

I was about to say that it could be engine type.
Now fuel dilution, IDK, I have VW 2.0T which has known dilution issues, but never had drop in viscosity like this, and I do push car very hard.
Also, as far as I know RL changed their formulation a bit.

 

[SXE10]

Ecoboost engines are direct injection so fuel dilution may well be at play here

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: SXE10
Ecoboost engines are direct injection so fuel dilution may well be at play here

Yeah, I heard that it is more of a problem then on VW, but his TBN is OK and fuel is less then 0.5%.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: gonefishing
Originally Posted By: edyvw
cst 9.92 after 5000K?
RL is HEAVY 5W30 oil. It is Euro spec 5W30, and 9.92cst after 5K is nothing spectacular!
You might try Castrol 0W30 and see how it works!


Wouldn't a 9.92cST be on the low end of a 30 grade oil? Looks to me that the RedLine 5W-30 stayed in grade (9.30-12.49cST) and the 5W-30 PU sheared out of grade (to the high side of a 20)

Yes, but PU 5W30 starts lower then RL. RL starts at 11.9.
For example, when I did UOA on M1 0W40, it sheared from 13.5 to 13.3!
The Mobil1 ESP 5W30 that I use now starts at 12.1, and after 3.3K sheared to 11.07. I will do UOA again at 5K to see, but I think 9.9 is too much for oil that is heavy 5W30 unlike PU 5W30.
I do not think there is any problem, but actually I am surprised it sheared that much. Also, this result does not justify price of almost $12 per quart.
I would try Castrol 0W30 which is proven as shear stable and starts at 12.2cst.

That's all largely immaterial.
RL 5W-30 has a HTHSV of 3.7cP with a modest 166 VI which puts it on par with a 40 grade oil like M1 0W-40 at operating temp's.
In this application the OP really should be using RL 5W-20 (RL advises dropping a grade when switching to their oils) which is on par in terms of operational viscosity with a typical 5W-30 like PU.

BTW, isn't the 2014 Escort spec'd for 5W-20?

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM


BTW, isn't the 2014 Escort spec'd for 5W-20?


You like to sound like an expert but then you spit out something like 2014 "escort."

Even then, assuming you mean Focus, no, it is not.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM


BTW, isn't the 2014 Escort spec'd for 5W-20?


You like to sound like an expert but then you spit out something like 2014 "escort."

Even then, assuming you mean Focus, no, it is not.

Yeah, I screwed up, forgot this was an Ecoboost.

And as far as what I'd like to sound like it would be Bocelli, Pavarotti or Damingo but unfortunately that's not the case.