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#3402346 - 06/20/14 03:35 PM Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer
HAWG4LIFE Offline


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I know the regular oil stabilizer is junk, but is this any better?
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#3402351 - 06/20/14 03:38 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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Just use one quart of the synthetic 40 or 50 grade oil of your choice. It is just as or more cost effective as Lucas oil stabilizer yet more beneficial as motor oil is formulated to be compatible with motor oil.
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#3402352 - 06/20/14 03:38 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: dave1251]
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#3402356 - 06/20/14 03:41 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: dave1251]
HAWG4LIFE Offline


Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 14
Loc: Tennercee
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Just use one quart of the synthetic 40 or 50 grade oil of your choice. It is just as or more cost effective as Lucas oil stabilizer yet more beneficial as motor oil is formulated to be compatible with motor oil.


Im not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I get the impression that there is some hidden angst here. Just what is lucas formulated to work with? LOL
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#3402357 - 06/20/14 03:44 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
cknight49090 Offline


Registered: 01/25/14
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Loc: south haven mi
Snake oil the regular oil stabilizer is mineral oil based I believe. Nothing but a viscosity booster with no additives and will dilute the oils additive package.Save your money .


Edited by cknight49090 (06/20/14 03:45 PM)

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#3402360 - 06/20/14 03:49 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 10494
Loc: NE,Ohio
its pure junk. I'd rather run the engine a quart low than have a quart of their crud in there.

Their gear oil is also terrible.

Don't know much about the motor oil except its overpriced.


Edited by Rand (06/20/14 03:49 PM)
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#3402363 - 06/20/14 03:51 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
dave1251 Offline


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Originally Posted By: HAWG4LIFE
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Just use one quart of the synthetic 40 or 50 grade oil of your choice. It is just as or more cost effective as Lucas oil stabilizer yet more beneficial as motor oil is formulated to be compatible with motor oil.


Im not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I get the impression that there is some hidden angst here. Just what is lucas formulated to work with? LOL


There is no hidden angst at all. If you open a thread about Lucas motor oil I will be the first to state Lucas API certified motor oil is good stuff but overpriced.

Lucas oil stabilizer is just a 40 grade motor oil that is sold at a outrageous price.
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#3402365 - 06/20/14 03:52 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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All Lucas oil stabilizers are snake oil. There is nothing that needs modified in a proper oil package that is already balanced perfectly for its intended application if it meets the proper specifications such as API SN/GF5 and many regarded builder approvals.
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#3402374 - 06/20/14 04:07 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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The Lucas additives get a lot of hate on BITOG, which may be deserved, but they do have a few things going for them: Lucas believes in their products, uses them in their fleet, and thinks they benefit from their use.
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#3402378 - 06/20/14 04:10 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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Who thinks any API oil in 2014 needs a stabilizer.

10K OCI w/ UOA shows they need no help at all.
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#3402379 - 06/20/14 04:12 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: simple_gifts]
cknight49090 Offline


Registered: 01/25/14
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Loc: south haven mi
40 grade try like 90

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#3402380 - 06/20/14 04:12 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
old1 Offline


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I have no love for Lucas oil stabilizer, but to say it is just grade 40 motor oil is not even close. It is MUCH thicker than any regular oil I have ever seen. seems to me it is about like 50% 50 wt. oil, and 50% STP, without the good zinc in the stp. Like STP, only good for the old beater with BAD rod or main bearings, to hold it together for a few more miles till it can be junked, repaired, or sold to some unsuspecting poor soul.

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#3402406 - 06/20/14 04:59 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
901Memphis Offline


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The last VOA of Lucas stablizer said it had a viscosity of 110 [email protected], which is over 10 tens thicker than a 30 grade motor oil.
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#3402449 - 06/20/14 06:27 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: 901Memphis]
yonyon Offline


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Wait, if it's 10 tens thicker, does that mean it would be okay to use in Australia?

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#3402451 - 06/20/14 06:34 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: yonyon]
901Memphis Offline


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Originally Posted By: yonyon
Wait, if it's 10 tens thicker, does that mean it would be okay to use in Australia?


I wouldn't use it anywhere on earth. There is no need for such a high viscosity additive in a healthy engine. Just adding one bottle could increase viscosity enough to increase filter by passing events under load/cold starts.

I can't imagine what happens when someone does a double dose or more on a higher specified grade. Like the guy at Autozone I saw grabbing two bottles of Lucas to go with his 10w40 high mileage into a 5w20 Toyota engine.
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#3402461 - 06/20/14 07:00 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: 901Memphis]
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The regular Lucas Oil Stabilizer is based on heavy bright stocks, with 20-30% Olefin Copolymer viscosity improvers. This much can be surmised from the MSDS.

The Synthetic Oil Stabilizer is much less viscous, with a viscosity of 45 at 100C. It seems to be based on a heavy Group III oil, but the MSDS doesn't say what else is in it. Probably more viscosity improver, although a tech support guy at Lucas said there's some group IV in it.

Rand, can you tell us what's "terrible" about Lucas Gear Oil?
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#3402466 - 06/20/14 07:07 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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All I've found it good for was building the old mustang motor and using as assembly lube.
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#3402493 - 06/20/14 07:44 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: 901Memphis]
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Loc: Louisiana
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
I can't imagine what happens when someone does a double dose or more on a higher specified grade. Like the guy at Autozone I saw grabbing two bottles of Lucas to go with his 10w40 high mileage into a 5w20 Toyota engine.


While I hate lucas...prove to me it would matter...at all.

Ive run a 5w20 toyota motor on 20w50 with motor honey...with zero ill effects. The vvti didnt even realize it.
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#3402610 - 06/20/14 10:24 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: SuzukiGoat]
901Memphis Offline


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Originally Posted By: SuzukiGoat
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
I can't imagine what happens when someone does a double dose or more on a higher specified grade. Like the guy at Autozone I saw grabbing two bottles of Lucas to go with his 10w40 high mileage into a 5w20 Toyota engine.


While I hate lucas...prove to me it would matter...at all.

Ive run a 5w20 toyota motor on 20w50 with motor honey...with zero ill effects. The vvti didnt even realize it.



I COULD prove it to you.... but then i'd have to kill ya.
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#3402965 - 06/21/14 11:33 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
tom slick Offline


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Aren't you guys scared of running unstable oil? The other big oil companies haven't discovered the secret sauce for stable oil. Luckily a select few enlightened additive companies share their complex chemistry and vast technological breakthroughs with us consumers.
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#3408428 - 06/27/14 12:16 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
postjeeprcr Offline


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I had a VOA done years ago of the Lucas Synthetic Oil Stabilizer, I will look for it and post the results once I find it.
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#3410107 - 06/29/14 03:42 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: postjeeprcr]
mr_blackstock Offline


Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 28
Loc: Victoria, Australia
G'day,

Although I have only used Lucas oil stabiliser a few times, I have had nil issues. Predominantly I use Morey's oil stabiliser, and have been for a few years now in my bikes. Initially when I put Morey's in my bike the vibration was reduced massively, so much so that the bike happily would rev out higher than before without the associated excessive vibration. I thought I might have been imagining the change, so I got rid of it, and put in my usual oil without additives. After an hours ride I got home and added the additive again and I have not once doubted it's effectiveness.

A type of proof I do remember is an oil change I did on the bike a year ago. Usually I empty my oil drain tray soon after it is out of the bike, in this instance I was lazy and left it over night. In the morning I emptied it into my old oil drum and noticed a thick oily coating where the oil had sat. It was oil alright, but sticky. I had to use degreaser just to get the stuff off! Normally when I empty old oil into my drum nothing gets left in the tray, I can usually wipe it with a rag and it's clean. This morey's stuck to the tray after 5000kms. Good enough for me..




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#3413112 - 07/03/14 01:53 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
Marco620 Offline


Registered: 02/25/14
Posts: 719
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I would say its better to run liquimoly motor oil saver than lucas. Even if you ran it and LM mos2 you would have 1/3 qt left to add actual oil and it would be better than lucas. When I thought I needed an oil supplement long ago, I used a qt of redline sae 30wt and it filled my void. Lucas is awesome on door hinges and sewing machines; that is it along with lower oci.

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#3413651 - 07/03/14 04:37 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
Clevy Offline


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Originally Posted By: HAWG4LIFE
I know the regular oil stabilizer is junk, but is this any better?



No.


What part of an oil formulated today is unstable and requires something so thick,and non-additized to compensate.
Try running non-additized oil is an engine and time its life with a stopwatch.
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#3413955 - 07/03/14 09:44 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Clevy]
GatorJ Offline


Registered: 07/24/03
Posts: 180
Loc: Tampa
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: HAWG4LIFE
I know the regular oil stabilizer is junk, but is this any better?



No.


What part of an oil formulated today is unstable and requires something so thick,and non-additized to compensate.
Try running non-additized oil is an engine and time its life with a stopwatch.


LOL. Or requires Liqui-Moly? Quick answer? None.

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#3413966 - 07/03/14 09:53 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: GatorJ]
Clevy Offline


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Originally Posted By: GatorJ
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: HAWG4LIFE
I know the regular oil stabilizer is junk, but is this any better?



No.


What part of an oil formulated today is unstable and requires something so thick,and non-additized to compensate.
Try running non-additized oil is an engine and time its life with a stopwatch.


LOL. Or requires Liqui-Moly? Quick answer? None.



Really.


I've cured gasket leaks with liqui-moly motor oil saver and gained mileage using mos2.

So do tell genius,considering they are additized,and actually do something how exactly do they compare to a non-additized,molasses thick additive.

If you can show me the exact same benefits just using a standard motor as I've experienced using liqui-moly then by golly I'll quit buying the stuff,til then how about sticking to the topic.
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#3430557 - 07/20/14 07:48 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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First of all, i would never use lucas.

However i do know someone who used it every oil change in his 3.0 ranger.

It went 750,000 miles before it burnt a valve. I attribute this to that tough 3.0 motor, hwy driving and regular oci. Not the lucas. I think it was in spite of the lucas.
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#4026490 - 03/01/16 05:34 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
Ram01 Offline


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Lucas is a quality oil stabilizer use it to extend your engine life and OCI

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#4026533 - 03/01/16 06:13 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Ram01]
Garak Offline


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How does LOS extend either?
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#4026588 - 03/01/16 07:24 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
How does LOS extend either?


You're in the group that keeps pounding the table for more viscous oil fill.

It makes whatever you run more viscous.
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#4026669 - 03/01/16 08:58 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: turtlevette]
Garak Offline


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I'm not exactly a thick oil person, but if I do want thicker, I just buy thicker.
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#4026842 - 03/02/16 03:33 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: turtlevette]
Shannow Offline


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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Garak
How does LOS extend either?


You're in the group that keeps pounding the table for more viscous oil fill.

It makes whatever you run more viscous.


As per previous discussions, it's an "additive" that "subtracts" from the percentage of active ingredients in the base oil.

To lose effectively 20% of your AW, FM, antifoam, PPD and the like by adding the stuff is a silly gamble.

When you could buy a 15W40 for less than a 5W30 with Lucas, or a 20W50 for less than a 40 with Lucas.

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#4026846 - 03/02/16 03:41 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: 901Memphis]
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Like the guy at Autozone I saw grabbing two bottles of Lucas to go with his 10w40 high mileage into a 5w20 Toyota engine.


Clearly the gentleman just wanted the "MAXIMUM PROTECTION" available for his engine. Why take a chance with thin oils?
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#4026852 - 03/02/16 03:59 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: tom slick]
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Originally Posted By: tom slick
Aren't you guys scared of running unstable oil? The other big oil companies haven't discovered the secret sauce for stable oil. Luckily a select few enlightened additive companies share their complex chemistry and vast technological breakthroughs with us consumers.


The secret sauce for stable oil is base stock.
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#4026999 - 03/02/16 09:35 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Shannow]
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Originally Posted By: Shannow


When you could buy a 15W40 for less than a 5W30 with Lucas, or a 20W50 for less than a 40 with Lucas.


People who run Lucas have hurt or worn engines. Off the shelf oil weights aren't gonna cut it. That 60 and 70 weight oil is very hard to find and very expensive.

Running a robustly additized oil and thickening with this stuff is actually excellent strategy.
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#4027005 - 03/02/16 09:41 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: tom slick]
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Originally Posted By: tom slick
Aren't you guys scared of running unstable oil? The other big oil companies haven't discovered the secret sauce for stable oil. Luckily a select few enlightened additive companies share their complex chemistry and vast technological breakthroughs with us consumers.


It's been years since I've spent any time on this board so I don't know who the identities of jokers in the current crowd; that said, I'm assuming this post is very much tongue in cheek. smile


Edited by Shipo (03/02/16 09:42 AM)
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#4027199 - 03/02/16 01:55 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: turtlevette]
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Running a robustly additized oil and thickening with this stuff is actually excellent strategy.


You don't know what the ;eve;s of antifoamant are, as "robustly additised", all you can see are the Zn/P/Mo/Ca/Mg...no idea what the other stuff is, and whether it's increased at the same levels as the other additives.

There used to be tests on the front page if BITOG where BOB (the bob) shows Lucas in a gearbox, foaming up the kazoo.

Foam has less viscosity than any oil you are likley to encounter...and you just don't know.

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#4027404 - 03/02/16 05:23 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Shannow]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: Shannow
As per previous discussions, it's an "additive" that "subtracts" from the percentage of active ingredients in the base oil.

That, too. If I want a non-detergent monograde, I can buy that, and at a cheaper price than Lucas.
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#4027454 - 03/02/16 06:17 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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When I want to thicken my oil, I use STP as it is much cheaper than Lucas, and actually has some zddp. Of course I only use it in antique or beaters.

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#4027674 - 03/02/16 10:02 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: tom slick]
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Originally Posted By: tom slick
Aren't you guys scared of running unstable oil? The other big oil companies haven't discovered the secret sauce for stable oil. Luckily a select few enlightened additive companies share their complex chemistry and vast technological breakthroughs with us consumers.



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#4027676 - 03/02/16 10:04 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: old1]
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Originally Posted By: old1
When I want to thicken my oil, I use STP as it is much cheaper than Lucas, and actually has some zddp. Of course I only use it in antique or beaters.


If there is any real use for STP or Lucas it is for smokers and beaters.
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#4027681 - 03/02/16 10:09 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Stelth]
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Originally Posted By: Stelth


The Synthetic Oil Stabilizer is much less viscous, with a viscosity of 45 at 100C. It seems to be based on a heavy Group III oil, but the MSDS doesn't say what else is in it. Probably more viscosity improver, although a tech support guy at Lucas said there's some group IV in it.

Rand, can you tell us what's "terrible" about Lucas Gear Oil?


Lucas products are generally under treated in terms of additives.

BTW, where does one find a 40 or 100 cSt GroupIII?
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#4027684 - 03/02/16 10:11 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: MolaKule]
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: old1
When I want to thicken my oil, I use STP as it is much cheaper than Lucas, and actually has some zddp. Of course I only use it in antique or beaters.


If there is any real use for STP or Lucas it is for smokers and beaters.


One would be better off running mercury 25/40 marine oil in a smoker than using lucas. At least the additives are there.
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#4027786 - 03/03/16 03:35 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: MolaKule]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
If there is any real use for STP or Lucas it is for smokers and beaters.

And when I did have a smoking beater, the last thing I wanted to do was pour more expensive stuff into the crankcase that would blow out the exhaust. wink
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#4028377 - 03/03/16 06:10 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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Loc: USA
Synthetic, it has to be better !!! cool
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#4044530 - 03/20/16 11:25 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: turtlevette]
southernjeeper Offline


Registered: 07/05/04
Posts: 413
Loc: SE
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Shannow


When you could buy a 15W40 for less than a 5W30 with Lucas, or a 20W50 for less than a 40 with Lucas.


People who run Lucas have hurt or worn engines. Off the shelf oil weights aren't gonna cut it. That 60 and 70 weight oil is very hard to find and very expensive.

Running a robustly additized oil and thickening with this stuff is actually excellent strategy.



Almost 243,000miles on my '92 4.0 Cherokee.
I say I would like to have a full rebuild one day when I really have problems, but when I had my rear main (2-piece seal..thank goodness) my friends who had the lift said my lower half of the engine looked great. That could be because I take care of my ride or I use a set routine on oil changes. 5qts 10w30max life and a bottle of Lucas along with the good ole oversized oil filter the 51515 wix. Or the 1515 napa gold.

Worn engine or goes with what works. I WOULD NOT put 15w40 or 20w50 in this engine.

Lucas does help in not having as bad of dry starts. I regret that I have not used their synthetic stuff, but I will next time at next OCI. Always 3-4000oci's
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#4045978 - 03/22/16 02:48 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: southernjeeper]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 10912
Loc: Northern Kentucky
Originally Posted By: southernjeeper
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Shannow


When you could buy a 15W40 for less than a 5W30 with Lucas, or a 20W50 for less than a 40 with Lucas.


People who run Lucas have hurt or worn engines. Off the shelf oil weights aren't gonna cut it. That 60 and 70 weight oil is very hard to find and very expensive.

Running a robustly additized oil and thickening with this stuff is actually excellent strategy.



Almost 243,000miles on my '92 4.0 Cherokee.
I say I would like to have a full rebuild one day when I really have problems, but when I had my rear main (2-piece seal..thank goodness) my friends who had the lift said my lower half of the engine looked great. That could be because I take care of my ride or I use a set routine on oil changes. 5qts 10w30max life and a bottle of Lucas along with the good ole oversized oil filter the 51515 wix. Or the 1515 napa gold.

Worn engine or goes with what works. I WOULD NOT put 15w40 or 20w50 in this engine.

Lucas does help in not having as bad of dry starts. I regret that I have not used their synthetic stuff, but I will next time at next OCI. Always 3-4000oci's



By adding the Lucas to your 10w30 you've pretty much made a home brew 15w40 with less overall protection than a HDEO 15w40, the fact that your engine lasted this long is a testament to the engine and not abusing the interval rather than your actual oil choice.
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#4045980 - 03/22/16 02:49 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Ifixyawata]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
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Loc: Northern Kentucky
Originally Posted By: Ifixyawata
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Like the guy at Autozone I saw grabbing two bottles of Lucas to go with his 10w40 high mileage into a 5w20 Toyota engine.


Clearly the gentleman just wanted the "MAXIMUM PROTECTION" available for his engine. Why take a chance with thin oils?


Indeed he must have had a very quiet engine with that mixture lugging his engine
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#4047385 - 03/23/16 11:12 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
Michael_P Offline


Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 1608
Loc: By the Lake
Go to an auto parts store and just try to dissuade someone from using LOS. If the store is crowded, there are high odds you will be the laughing stock of the parts store. It happened to me............Twice.

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#4047454 - 03/24/16 04:33 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Michael_P]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
The company got wealthy from following P.T. Barnum's advice, not from inventing a lot of useful stuff. And, unfortunately, a whack of people fall for it. Ask them the difference between GC 0w-30 and M1 AFE 0w-30, and see how smart they are. wink
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#4047595 - 03/24/16 08:19 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: 901Memphis]
HerrStig Offline


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 7828
Loc: Boston, MA
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: Ifixyawata
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Like the guy at Autozone I saw grabbing two bottles of Lucas to go with his 10w40 high mileage into a 5w20 Toyota engine.


Clearly the gentleman just wanted the "MAXIMUM PROTECTION" available for his engine. Why take a chance with thin oils?


Indeed he must have had a very quiet engine with that mixture lugging his engine
Did you hang around to see him put it in the Toyota?

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#4048861 - 03/25/16 06:50 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Garak]
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Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 8752
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
Originally Posted By: Garak
The company got wealthy from following P.T. Barnum's advice, not from inventing a lot of useful stuff. And, unfortunately, a whack of people fall for it.


Yes, but, I AM quite grateful for it's owner's creation of the MAV TV network, as that is the ONLY way to see some of the motorsports that are NEVER EVER reported on here in the states (WRC, SuperCar V8s, etc.). wink smile
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#4049311 - 03/26/16 09:40 AM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: dailydriver]
Garak Offline


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Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Well, that would be interesting; I don't see it up here. Streaming is, however, passing much of these networks by. Speed shot itself in the foot some years ago, but when the paramedics came, instead of treating it, decided to watch it bleed to death on its own floor.
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#4090947 - 05/07/16 11:31 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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Registered: 08/11/12
Posts: 20
Loc: Northern Idaho
I run there motorcycle oil additive in the transmission and primary in my Harley Davidson Road King and it shifts very very smooth.Clutch works great.I use a half bottle in each.When you drain the transmission oil it's kinds like a film of snot.It really coats everything well.
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#4091599 - 05/08/16 06:59 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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Nope, not gonna bite onto this one... No sir.

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#4091652 - 05/08/16 07:54 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Ram01]
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Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 63
Loc: Minneapolis, USA
The only thing Lucas is good at is removing deposits of money from your wallet.


Edited by guyonearth (05/08/16 07:56 PM)

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#4091653 - 05/08/16 07:55 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Ram01]
guyonearth Offline


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 63
Loc: Minneapolis, USA
Originally Posted By: Ram01
Lucas is a quality oil stabilizer use it to extend your engine life and OCI

How? How does a 100 weight oil with no additives "stabilize" a modern oil? Can you explain? Why not just dump a quart of gear oil in instead?

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#4091665 - 05/08/16 08:03 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: Idahokid]
guyonearth Offline


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 63
Loc: Minneapolis, USA
Originally Posted By: Idahokid
I run there motorcycle oil additive in the transmission and primary in my Harley Davidson Road King and it shifts very very smooth.Clutch works great.I use a half bottle in each.When you drain the transmission oil it's kinds like a film of snot.It really coats everything well.

I know that Harleys need lots of TLC like a lot of the old guys that seem to ride them, but I didn't realize they required a snot coating on the gears.

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#4099675 - 05/17/16 11:57 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
Marco620 Offline


Registered: 02/25/14
Posts: 719
Loc: Midwest, Rural KS
If I was to want a thicker oil I would run thicker oil. Liquimoly Motor Oil Saver does that all in 300ml can but has actual additives to improve TBN as Lucas doesnt. Its like an ex wife,gives nothing and takes away much. If you still want to use this empty elixir pour some into a empty can of Liquimoly Mos2 or Ceretec at roughly a 1/3rd qt and fill rest with quality oil. If I needed Lucas I would save some coin and get pennzoil or Quaker State 30wt and at least add some additives to the mix and get some type of return of moly or boron.

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#4108533 - 05/27/16 10:13 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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Registered: 07/07/14
Posts: 73
Loc: Ontario,Canada
100 Y.O. recipe:

heat the oil and drop in India rubber ...

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#4109343 - 05/28/16 10:59 PM Re: Lucas SYNTHETIC oil stabilizer [Re: HAWG4LIFE]
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I have a dying (rod knock) 5.7 Chevy in one of my Isuzu NPR trucks currently running on a diet of SAE 60 VR1 conventional (pretty cheap off the shelf at Bennett Auto), and a load of Liqui Moly MOS2.

I can still hear the knock sometimes, but it has quieted down alot, and the engine continues to live (for now).

Sure, I could swap out the engine for a new 5.7 like nothing, but we're all interested to see how long this thing holds up for now.
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