Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I took exception at you pushing fear that people are going to be meat on a table, just like I take exception that people use images of cleaning childrens' brains off of walls. In other words either side of the conversation. Just above you mention the anti 2A stuff going on. Sorry, but it is something that people are talking about, and perhaps are brainwashed over, but that is on minds and creates responses.
The whole point is that a stupid response by a pro-2A person, even if they are right, is as toxic as anything that the anti 2A folks can do or say. Insisting that you're right and then going and playing ostrich just means that your rights will be pulled away while your head is in the sand.
That's why dnewton's comments are so great. Those who wish to argue and try to logically remove our rights can only be defeated by equal logic that is rational and true. What dnewton put up is very much that way. I prefer using intelligent discourse. Fanaticism of blown out brains or being meat on someone's table does nothing.
You can keep citing statistics and abiding by your own made-up rules of engagement if you wish. That has not worked very well here in NJ has it? The NJ2AS and ANJRPC has been doing that for years. Have you been paying attention to the impact? Yet again, there's another anti-2A bill on his desk awaiting his signature. He may yet veto the 10 round mag limit but even if he does it is only a temporary reprieve. There have been over 75 firearms bills proposed in NJ in the last 18 months. Some are even contradictory. This agenda does not come from people who are ignorant of the facts and simply need to be educated. This is their crusade and they will not stop until they get what they want. All the efforts to educate people using facts and statistics did not slow down the antis one bit. Anyone who values their rights should be afraid.
I'll continue to call and write my representatives demanding that my rights be respected. I'll continue to vote for and encourage other gun owners to vote for candidates that respect our rights. I'll continue to point out to gun owners that our rights are not some cafeteria plan and must be fought for in their entirety. You do what you like.
I took exception at you pushing fear that people are going to be meat on a table, just like I take exception that people use images of cleaning childrens' brains off of walls. In other words either side of the conversation. Just above you mention the anti 2A stuff going on. Sorry, but it is something that people are talking about, and perhaps are brainwashed over, but that is on minds and creates responses.
The whole point is that a stupid response by a pro-2A person, even if they are right, is as toxic as anything that the anti 2A folks can do or say. Insisting that you're right and then going and playing ostrich just means that your rights will be pulled away while your head is in the sand.
That's why dnewton's comments are so great. Those who wish to argue and try to logically remove our rights can only be defeated by equal logic that is rational and true. What dnewton put up is very much that way. I prefer using intelligent discourse. Fanaticism of blown out brains or being meat on someone's table does nothing.
You can keep citing statistics and abiding by your own made-up rules of engagement if you wish. That has not worked very well here in NJ has it? The NJ2AS and ANJRPC has been doing that for years. Have you been paying attention to the impact? Yet again, there's another anti-2A bill on his desk awaiting his signature. He may yet veto the 10 round mag limit but even if he does it is only a temporary reprieve. There have been over 75 firearms bills proposed in NJ in the last 18 months. Some are even contradictory. This agenda does not come from people who are ignorant of the facts and simply need to be educated. This is their crusade and they will not stop until they get what they want. All the efforts to educate people using facts and statistics did not slow down the antis one bit. Anyone who values their rights should be afraid.
I'll continue to call and write my representatives demanding that my rights be respected. I'll continue to vote for and encourage other gun owners to vote for candidates that respect our rights. I'll continue to point out to gun owners that our rights are not some cafeteria plan and must be fought for in their entirety. You do what you like.