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#3400532 - 06/18/14 11:50 AM Factory fill question, needing advice
Vibe_2007 Offline


Registered: 03/03/11
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Loc: Sioux Falls, SD
Bought a new 14' Mazda 2 about 6 weeks ago. I questioned the service manager at the dealership about when to change out the factory fill as it wasn't listed in the owner's manual.

He adamantly held up five fingers and said, "5000 miles no questions asked. The oil has special additives for break-in. Leave it in a full 5000".

The problem is that this vehicle is a from home to work and back commuter that only gets 300 miles a month of use. 5000/300 = 17 months to change oil, not counting the 4 months it was sitting at dealership.

I really want to change it out right before winter.

What do you all think?
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#3400533 - 06/18/14 11:54 AM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
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It will be fine if you leave it in for 5,000 miles, but the owners manual will specify a maximum number of months to leave the oil in once you take ownership, approx 6-12 months depending on your model.

Just drive it hard, break it in good and dump the FF before winter, you will sleep much better at night, don't even have to let the dealership know!
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#3400546 - 06/18/14 12:07 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
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Originally Posted By: Vibe_2007
He adamantly held up five fingers and said, "5000 miles no questions asked. The oil has special additives for break-in. Leave it in a full 5000".

If you fall under the severe service, then Mazda is pretty clear that the oil change interval is not only every 5k miles, but also every 4 months, whichever comes first:

https://www.mymazda.com/MusaWeb/pdf/maint_schedules/2014_MZ2_MS.pdf
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#3400595 - 06/18/14 12:51 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Quattro Pete]
Vibe_2007 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Vibe_2007
He adamantly held up five fingers and said, "5000 miles no questions asked. The oil has special additives for break-in. Leave it in a full 5000".

If you fall under the severe service, then Mazda is pretty clear that the oil change interval is not only every 5k miles, but also every 4 months, whichever comes first:

https://www.mymazda.com/MusaWeb/pdf/maint_schedules/2014_MZ2_MS.pdf


Wow, 4 months. Kind of sucks that 0w-20 is a pretty pricey oil to dump at that interval. Really going to shoot for 6 months. Drive it 20 miles on weekends for something. Mazda 0w-20 high moly oil is 7 bucks a quart.


Edited by Vibe_2007 (06/18/14 12:58 PM)
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#3400598 - 06/18/14 12:55 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: 901Memphis]
Vibe_2007 Offline


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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
It will be fine if you leave it in for 5,000 miles, but the owners manual will specify a maximum number of months to leave the oil in once you take ownership, approx 6-12 months depending on your model.

Just drive it hard, break it in good and dump the FF before winter, you will sleep much better at night, don't even have to let the dealership know!


Good points here. Probably a good plan to dump it right before winter anyhow. Sat on dealership lot from temps ranging from -25F to now 90F this summer.
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#3400607 - 06/18/14 01:02 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
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Special break-in additives. LOL. That's a good one.

However, he is close to being on point. Oil analyses of factory fills sometimes show higher levels of molybdenum which seems to be not an intentionally added boost but rather due to some residual assembly lube that is on the internals which dissolves into the oil. Not a bad thing.

If it were me I'd stick with the recommendation, but since the car is being short tripped by the commute, I'd be sure and take it out and drive it an hour or so straight at least once a week to remove possible build-up of unevaporated condensate in the crankcase.



Originally Posted By: Vibe_2007
Bought a new 14' Mazda 2 about 6 weeks ago. I questioned the service manager at the dealership about when to change out the factory fill as it wasn't listed in the owner's manual.

He adamantly held up five fingers and said, "5000 miles no questions asked. The oil has special additives for break-in. Leave it in a full 5000".

The problem is that this vehicle is a from home to work and back commuter that only gets 300 miles a month of use. 5000/300 = 17 months to change oil, not counting the 4 months it was sitting at dealership.

I really want to change it out right before winter.

What do you all think?
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#3400620 - 06/18/14 01:17 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
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Good candidate for once a year or 5k
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#3400642 - 06/18/14 01:51 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
wjli Offline


Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 137
Loc: georgia
I left my FF in the 2014 CX5 for 7,200 miles. It has the 2.0 engine. Definately smoother with the new oil in (went with PP 0w20) but I dont think there is any issue with leaving in FF as long as stated by the manufacturer. With that said, feeling good about how you treat your car is more important, so if you feel better changing it out early go for it, definately wont hurt.

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#3400694 - 06/18/14 03:12 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
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You can always drain the 4 month old 0w20 and use it in a lawnmower or for top off oil on a beater!
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#3400725 - 06/18/14 04:15 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
stockrex Offline


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12 months max, it is dino, so lose it.
Read ur owners manual, it says 12 months or 5 k ...

Take it on empty road and drive at varying rpm
Google break in procedure.
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#3400737 - 06/18/14 04:40 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
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No 0w20 is classified as conventional.
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#3400739 - 06/18/14 04:42 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: stockrex]
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Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: stockrex
Read ur owners manual, it says 12 months or 5 k ...

No, it doesn't.
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#3400746 - 06/18/14 04:49 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: LoneRanger]
Vibe_2007 Offline


Registered: 03/03/11
Posts: 148
Loc: Sioux Falls, SD
I bought a case of the Mazda 0w-20 "high moly" oil and from what I have read it has a lot of moly. Could mitigate dumping a factory fill with high moly by running genuine Mazda high moly oil.


My main issue is that the crankcase has been in sub zero weather sitting, then test drove, then sitting, etc.

+1 on getting it out on the weekends to put some highway miles on it.


Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Special break-in additives. LOL. That's a good one.

However, he is close to being on point. Oil analyses of factory fills sometimes show higher levels of molybdenum which seems to be not an intentionally added boost but rather due to some residual assembly lube that is on the internals which dissolves into the oil. Not a bad thing.

If it were me I'd stick with the recommendation, but since the car is being short tripped by the commute, I'd be sure and take it out and drive it an hour or so straight at least once a week to remove possible build-up of unevaporated condensate in the crankcase.



Originally Posted By: Vibe_2007
Bought a new 14' Mazda 2 about 6 weeks ago. I questioned the service manager at the dealership about when to change out the factory fill as it wasn't listed in the owner's manual.

He adamantly held up five fingers and said, "5000 miles no questions asked. The oil has special additives for break-in. Leave it in a full 5000".

The problem is that this vehicle is a from home to work and back commuter that only gets 300 miles a month of use. 5000/300 = 17 months to change oil, not counting the 4 months it was sitting at dealership.

I really want to change it out right before winter.

What do you all think?
_________________________
2007 Pontiac Vibe :: 1ZZ-FE 1.8L :: 127K ::Napa Synthetic 5w30
2014 Mazda 2 :: 1.5L :: Mazda 0w20 High Moly Formula

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#3400752 - 06/18/14 05:01 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
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#3400759 - 06/18/14 05:03 PM Re: Factory fill question, needing advice [Re: Vibe_2007]
sicko Offline


Registered: 09/22/08
Posts: 936
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: Vibe_2007
I bought a case of the Mazda 0w-20 "high moly" oil and from what I have read it has a lot of moly. Could mitigate dumping a factory fill with high moly by running genuine Mazda high moly oil.



That's what I'd suggest. In the past the special break in oil usually was just a high moly oil. I don't know if that's the case here, but if it is then just replacing it with more Mazada high moly oil would be a great replacement if you wanted to change it earlier.


As for the engine and the oil in there, what's done is done, the only thing I think you can do (other than changing the oil) is to take it out on the high way for a good 30 minutes to make sure it gets up to temps and gets out any water that might be in there.

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