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#3398930 - 06/16/14 12:53 PM Age
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I have a car with Michelin Destiny tires that will soon hit 10 years old. The car is always garaged and the car is almost never left out in the sun and has never seen snow. There is 80% of the tread left with very low mileage. I'm just wondering about the general rule to replace tires at 10 years of age. The dealer won't rotate and balance them after 10 years based on the date stamp on the tires. Would you keep the tires or buy new ones?
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#3398934 - 06/16/14 12:57 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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I'd keep on driving on them especially since the car has been garaged.

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#3398947 - 06/16/14 01:09 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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+1 Take it to an independent shop for balancing and rotation, or just keep running them till they wear out

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#3398948 - 06/16/14 01:09 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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I'd replace them. If your consciousness permits, you could sell them on craigslist.
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#3398950 - 06/16/14 01:10 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
Andy636 Offline


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A good rule of thumb is 6 year.

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#3398955 - 06/16/14 01:19 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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What's the general condition of the tires? No dry rot or cracking anywhere? How much do you value your life? Even a $400 set of tires over 10 years works out to about $40 a year. The general rule of thumb was to replace them after 6 years but if they were in good condition, maybe 9-10. Even if you don't see exterior wear, things could be breaking down on the inside.

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#3398958 - 06/16/14 01:25 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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How is this car used? when it is used that is, as obviously it doesn't get many miles on it. Is it high speed freeway or mostly slow speed and city type driving? If High speed, I might think, notice I said think, about replacing them. Otherwise unless they are looking like a lot of sidewall or even tread cracking, I would not even consider wasting my money on new tires. Or if you do, I'd like to buy them. I have 10 year old tires on my 65 mustang with 80+ % tread on them, and they have no signs of age, and I drive on the highway every weekend in the summer, no worries.

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#3398959 - 06/16/14 01:25 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Toss up.

If you get a blow out going 65MPH+ is this a dangerous vehicle(SUV) at that speed or something controllable?
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#3398960 - 06/16/14 01:25 PM Re: Age [Re: Wolf359]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
What's the general condition of the tires? No dry rot or cracking anywhere? How much do you value your life? Even a $400 set of tires over 10 years works out to about $40 a year. The general rule of thumb was to replace them after 6 years but if they were in good condition, maybe 9-10. Even if you don't see exterior wear, things could be breaking down on the inside.

Not just that. Grip will go down as the rubber hardens (even garaged and in perfect storage conditions), and that degradation won't be visible. Now if it was stored in a sealed chamber where it was flushed out with nitrogen after every drive, then maybe it might still be in good condition.

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#3398964 - 06/16/14 01:33 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Also interested to know what the car is. I really hope Its not a Fraud Exploder with broken shackles and sagged rear springs ? smile
I Have 15Y.O. MXV on my mother's '89 caddy and they will be staying there. ALWAYS in the cool garage, < 7 K miles.

BTW, The grip on my newish hankook ventus V2 185r55-16 cheapies for the Honda is non-existent. Highly NOT recommended.
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#3398969 - 06/16/14 01:40 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Keep 'em. I have my original 1995 spare pushed into service on my F150. It sat in relative darkness under the bed all these years. Looks great.


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#3398970 - 06/16/14 01:41 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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I would go for a rip in the rain, or on a cool morning if this car can't get wet. If the tires still grip decently then I would assume the tire structure is still good as well.
I've run ancient R-compound tires that held together right to the cords, so I think a tire stored in nearly ideal conditions can be structurally safe.
But if $5-6-700 is peanuts to you, then by all means get some decent new rubber, the higher performance categories have made huge gains tread life and incredible grip in the last few years.
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#3398971 - 06/16/14 01:42 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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The OEM Pirelli tires on my '04 Jaguar are now approaching 11 years of age (So is the OEM battery).

I've had it since new, always garaged, blah, and they still look good, are in balance, and quiet, at 37K miles.

That said, it makes me more nervous every year, but we don't drive the car much, and when we do, it's not driven over 70, or on really hot days, etc.
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#3399012 - 06/16/14 02:34 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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I'd be more and more nervous as time goes on, but I'd not be out to condemn them immediately. I have snows that are verging on 10 years, work fine, and only get hot in a heat wave. They only see outdoors in the winter and are kept well otherwise. Still, oxidation takes its toll on tires and I'd be considerate of deterioration and oxidation rom the inside and other such things.

I'd be looking for a deal, but if it were Black Friday or later, if to be horribly concerned unless grip seemed to be a concern.

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#3399014 - 06/16/14 02:35 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...
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#3399015 - 06/16/14 02:36 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Registered: 02/10/12
Posts: 272
Loc: N.Y.
When I replaced the Wrangler tires for the first time, I assumed the tires were dried out and hardened (10 years old).
They had some dry rot (Threads and Side Wall).
I had 105,000 miles on them.
Would not have made it thru another Winter.
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#3399022 - 06/16/14 02:45 PM Re: Age [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 4152
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Maybe in the blazing sun of sweltering FLORIDA, on vans that I would bet run the rear axles at 100% capacity every mile! How often do your drivers check pressure? Be honest, now!

I have 12+ year old Eagle GTs on my Caddy...they're fine. Honestly...if I didn't know they'd been dropped, I would never even think they were that old!
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#3399035 - 06/16/14 03:02 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 11496
Loc: North Carolina
Tires are fine. Until they're not. They're full of air until they blow out.

OP, don't take the chance with your life, or someone else's on the road.
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#3399051 - 06/16/14 03:24 PM Re: Age [Re: SteveSRT8]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 5666
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Yeah, tires that are loaded near their capacity at high speeds isn't a spot to run questionable tires. Small trailer tires in my case.
Most cars/fwd SUV's have 2-3 times extra tire load capacity than they can carry going up to their GVWR, so blowouts due to age are much less common on those vehicles IME.
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#3399053 - 06/16/14 03:26 PM Re: Age [Re: Jarlaxle]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 15181
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Maybe in the blazing sun of sweltering FLORIDA, on vans that I would bet run the rear axles at 100% capacity every mile! How often do your drivers check pressure? Be honest, now!

I have 12+ year old Eagle GTs on my Caddy...they're fine. Honestly...if I didn't know they'd been dropped, I would never even think they were that old!


Note that NO ONE messes with my trucks but me! That's my job here.

This tire was on the Front, spec is 65 pounds. Rears run the full 80 psi max cold inflation pressure.

Tires are checked daily at first and then weekly to establish their patterns, but most of our newer vans have TPMS so I'm not needed any more....
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#3399054 - 06/16/14 03:28 PM Re: Age [Re: IndyIan]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 15181
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Yeah, tires that are loaded near their capacity at high speeds isn't a spot to run questionable tires. Small trailer tires in my case.
Most cars/fwd SUV's have 2-3 times extra tire load capacity than they can carry going up to their GVWR, so blowouts due to age are much less common on those vehicles IME.


Exactly. But no high speeds, just going 45 mph on a smooth road. Just not EVER worth it to us to risk this, I will never be caught dead using outdated tires.

If this had happened at an interstate exit ramp at a high speed it could have been very interesting...
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#3399186 - 06/16/14 06:16 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Registered: 02/02/12
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Loc: New England
Anyone throwing away tires because they have passed some arbitrary age, send them here! I'll take...

245/60R15
255/60R15
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35x12.50R15
275/40R17
315/35R17
295/75R22.5
275/80R22.5
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#3399208 - 06/16/14 06:46 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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The Michelin Harmony tires on our 2006 Subaru have somewhere around 90,000 miles on them and have been on 6 years this summer. They still have about 50% tread left and have usually been garaged, but they will get replaced around the end of this summer. The car normally sees straight line highway commutes with little to no city use, hence the high mileage/low treadwear.

In my opinion it's simply not worth the risk of damage or injury to ride around on old tires. I have a responsibility to keep my vehicles safe, not only for me, my wife and any passengers we may have, but for the other motorists with whom we share the road. Since our vehicles all see mostly highway driving a blowout could very well be life-threatening.

The possibility of having an accident and causing an injury just because I tried to eek a little more mileage out of a set of tires that are at their end of life simply isn't worth the risk.

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#3399217 - 06/16/14 07:32 PM Re: Age [Re: Pop_Rivit]
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Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
The Michelin Harmony tires on our 2006 Subaru have somewhere around 90,000 miles on them and have been on 6 years this summer. They still have about 50% tread left and have usually been garaged, but they will get replaced around the end of this summer. The car normally sees straight line highway commutes with little to no city use, hence the high mileage/low treadwear.

Extrapolate these numbers will end with 150-160k miles for the Harmony ? That is long lasting tire.
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#3399225 - 06/16/14 07:43 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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The car is mostly driven at night. The tires look brand new. It's a 84 Honda Civic with 75 horsepower and is never driven hard or abused in anyway. Before this set of tires the car was driven a lot. It now has 420K miles on it. I got about 200K miles out of the last clutch, that's how carefully the car is driven and it's S. Cal so weather is never a problem. I don't know that it's ever seen freezing weather and never any snow and not much rain.
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#3399294 - 06/16/14 08:52 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Posts: 5165
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I won't run on old tires, just not worth it.

I have two things I'll never save money on, tires and brakes. The rest of the vehicle, meh pinch pennies.


Edited by hattaresguy (06/16/14 08:52 PM)

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#3399344 - 06/16/14 09:46 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 1431
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I talked to a Michelin rep at the test track where I used to work. He looked at the tires and the dates and said that right now I had a year left but that the tires were fine. He and I both agree that at the end of that time I'm going to get new tires. I really wanted to make sure that running beyond 6 years with tires in pristine condition would be safe. I am going to drill the side walls to make sure that no one else uses then thinking they are almost new.
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#3399456 - 06/17/14 01:09 AM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
I talked to a Michelin rep at the test track where I used to work. He looked at the tires and the dates and said that right now I had a year left but that the tires were fine. He and I both agree that at the end of that time I'm going to get new tires. I really wanted to make sure that running beyond 6 years with tires in pristine condition would be safe. I am going to drill the side walls to make sure that no one else uses then thinking they are almost new.


Nice...very thoughtful of you, really...
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#3399546 - 06/17/14 07:16 AM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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First, everyone needs to go to the BITOG thread below.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3399443/So_THAT%27S_why_there%27s_a_wobble#Post3399443

The tire in that thread does NOT have much in the way of cracking - and yet it has a separation. Lack of cracks does not equal a good tire. Cracks is an indicator of something bad, but the opposite is just not true.

Different parts of the US have different climates - in particular, temperatures - so it's difficult to make a blanket statement that is reasonable for the entire US. 6 years seems to be the age limit for tires in hot states (AZ, TX, CA, NV, and FL), while 10 years is the limit for cold states (MY, WI, MN, ND, and ID) States in between are ...... ah ...... in between.

So, Jack, I think at 10 years in CA, you are living on borrowed time.
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#3399607 - 06/17/14 08:47 AM Re: Age [Re: CapriRacer]
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Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
First, everyone needs to go to the BITOG thread below.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3399443/So_THAT%27S_why_there%27s_a_wobble#Post3399443

The tire in that thread does NOT have much in the way of cracking - and yet it has a separation. Lack of cracks does not equal a good tire. Cracks is an indicator of something bad, but the opposite is just not true.

Different parts of the US have different climates - in particular, temperatures - so it's difficult to make a blanket statement that is reasonable for the entire US. 6 years seems to be the age limit for tires in hot states (AZ, TX, CA, NV, and FL), while 10 years is the limit for cold states (MY, WI, MN, ND, and ID) States in between are ...... ah ...... in between.

So, Jack, I think at 10 years in CA, you are living on borrowed time.

But where in California? It's a big state. Some parts have hot desert climates. Where I live it's mild year round. The joke around here is that there is no weather, because the temperature band between winter and summer is so narrow. It gets hotter on average in summer in many of those states you name than it does in my part of California.

Here are the averages for Oakland, California:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0791

And Oakland, Michigan:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/48363

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#3400802 - 06/18/14 05:53 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Jay Leno driving a priceless Ferrari on original 1954 tires: whistle
http://www.nbc.com/jay-lenos-garage/video/1952-ferrari-barchetta/2791373

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#3401237 - 06/19/14 07:24 AM Re: Age [Re: y_p_w]
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Originally Posted By: y_p_w
California? It's a big state. Some parts have hot desert climates. Where I live it's mild year round. The joke around here is that there is no weather, because the temperature band between winter and summer is so narrow. It gets hotter on average in summer in many of those states you name than it does in my part of California.

Here are the averages for Oakland, California:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0791

And Oakland, Michigan:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/48363


No question that political boundaries don't match up with climatic boundaries. That makes making a regulation covering the age of tires and selling used tires very difficult. Not to mention the political climate! (Did you see what I did there?)
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#3401238 - 06/19/14 07:25 AM Re: Age [Re: Nayov]
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Originally Posted By: Nayov
Jay Leno driving a priceless Ferrari on original 1954 tires: whistle
http://www.nbc.com/jay-lenos-garage/video/1952-ferrari-barchetta/2791373


Thanks for that. The engine noise is just amazing.
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#3401370 - 06/19/14 10:00 AM Re: Age [Re: CapriRacer]
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Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
California? It's a big state. Some parts have hot desert climates. Where I live it's mild year round. The joke around here is that there is no weather, because the temperature band between winter and summer is so narrow. It gets hotter on average in summer in many of those states you name than it does in my part of California.

Here are the averages for Oakland, California:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0791

And Oakland, Michigan:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/48363


No question that political boundaries don't match up with climatic boundaries. That makes making a regulation covering the age of tires and selling used tires very difficult. Not to mention the political climate! (Did you see what I did there?)

Studded tires are legal anywhere in California between certain dates and when the CHP Commissioner determines they should be allowed. Of course the large majority of Californians live in areas where snow/ice is a once in a generation event, but the law stands to cover the areas where it might be needed.

The rules on VOC content in windshield washer fluid varies by county, and sometimes even within a county. The two population centers in El Dorado County are South Lake Tahoe and El Dorado Hills. They're about 80 miles apart. South Lake Tahoe is at about 6000 ft and sees snow every single year. El Dorado Hills is at about 800 ft, is considered part of the Sacramento area, and snow there would be a freak thing. So it's split up depending on where the location is. I don't know how they enforce it though.

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