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#3398218 - 06/15/14 02:37 PM 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ?
Scanoe Offline


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I noticed a few weeks ago my 2000 Saturn SL2 is starting to have a small amount of noticeable Oil Smoke from the Exhaust.

I do know it is a common problem of Saturns to burn oil. I do not know what part of the Engine is the Problem. My SL2 is a DOHC 4-Cylinder 1.9Liter.

Is there a Cheap$ Fix to this such as an Oil Additive or Special Oil ?

Thanks in Advance

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#3398222 - 06/15/14 02:44 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Well when you say "fix" a rebuild will do but depending on your mechanical capability it can be expensive.

Oil & additives won't be a fix.

You can try "snake" oils, no idea if they work, I just rebuild my engines if they burn oil because I dislike oil burning to another level.
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#3398225 - 06/15/14 02:50 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Try running Mobil 1 Turbo diesel or Shell T6 5W-40 for 500-1000 miles.

Lots of detergents in these oils, may unclog the rings, which is the problem.


Edited by mattwithcats (06/15/14 02:50 PM)

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#3398228 - 06/15/14 03:06 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Originally Posted By: Scanoe
I noticed a few weeks ago my 2000 Saturn SL2 is starting to have a small amount of noticeable Oil Smoke from the Exhaust. I do know it is a common problem of Saturns to burn oil. I do not know what part of the Engine is the Problem. My SL2 is a DOHC 4-Cylinder 1.9Liter. Is there a Cheap$ Fix to this such as an Oil Additive or Special Oil?

You might try adding Molybdenum Disulfide to your oil - a product like Liqui Moly MoS2 Anti Friction 2781 or Mister Moly Engine Oil Supplement. Both products are sub-micron size MoS2 particles in an oil suspension. Over time (maybe 500 miles), the MoS2 will attach itself to your rings and cylinder walls creating a better seal and thereby reducing oil consumption past the rings. There are other benefits - read the Liqui Moly product page - but reduced oil consumption is a likely result. Follow the label directions - basically 1 bottle per oil change. You will need to continue using it - although you may be able to reduce the dosage - perhaps to 1/2 bottle of L-M Anti Friction per oil change. Some of it drains out with an oil change - some stays behind. This product is very dark gray in color - almost black - and will turn your oil a similar color.

Most NAPA stores stock the Liqui-Moly product (or they can order it) or buy it online. You may be able to buy a similar product in 4-oz one-use tubes under the Dow-Corning trade name Molykote from a local VW dealer.
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#3398230 - 06/15/14 03:07 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Lubromoly motor oil saver is one of the very few additives I would put in my oil hole for something like this. If thus doesn't work you can minimize consumption by moving up to a 10w40 high mileage like Maxlife or Defy.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003U4QILS?pc_redir=1402649160&robot_redir=1

Running a synthetic might not be a bad idea either if you can't find the motor oil saver. Mobil 1 0W40 European Formula for $25 per 5 quart jug at Walmart would be a perfect yearly fill for Minnesota and should burn slower than 5w30.
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#3398235 - 06/15/14 03:13 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Sell it.
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#3398238 - 06/15/14 03:21 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: 901Memphis]
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Lubromoly motor oil saver is one of the very few additives I would put in my oil hole for something like this. If thus doesn't work you can minimize consumption by moving up to a 10w40 high mileage like Maxlife or Defy.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003U4QILS?pc_redir=1402649160&robot_redir=1

To avoid any (more) confusion, the Lubro-Moly folks changed their name to Liqui-Moly a few years ago. Same company, same products, new name. Some of the 'old name' products are still for sale.

'High mileage' oils may help - they also contain additives which might aid in reducing oil consumption.

I'm not sure what weight(s) oil is recommended for your vehicle, but try to stay with it. If you use a heavier oil weight in the hopes of reducing oil usage, it simply makes your engine less efficient. It might be cheaper to keep adding oil.
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#3398239 - 06/15/14 03:24 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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If it's not more than a quart in 1,000 miles, I'd probably just keep topping up with api sn conventional.
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#3398247 - 06/15/14 03:46 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Use whatever oil you can find cheap on sale/clearance and add as needed. That's what I do with ours.
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#3398252 - 06/15/14 03:57 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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If it gets bad enough you can always grab some sae 70 motor oil.
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#3398257 - 06/15/14 04:03 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: 901Memphis]
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Lubromoly motor oil saver is one of the very few additives I would put in my oil hole for something like this. If thus doesn't work you can minimize consumption by moving up to a 10w40 high mileage like Maxlife or Defy.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003U4QILS?pc_redir=1402649160&robot_redir=1

Lubro-Moly/Liqui-Moly Motor Oil Saver is very good at reduce/stop small leak, it stops a leak in my E430 after 300-400 miles. It costs about $6-7 at NAPA so it's cheap enough to try.
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#3398260 - 06/15/14 04:07 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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If its leaking past the rings a thorough clean might unstuck them, if the leak is past the valve stem seals you need to rebuild/replace your head.

Does it smoke more at startup, or do you see the smoke when driving along and then quickly open the throttle?
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#3398268 - 06/15/14 04:22 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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What about "Restore"? Its supposed to seal scratches and grooves in cylinder walls.Kind of a last chance type product.

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#3398273 - 06/15/14 04:25 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Nothing short of a rebuild will fix a fixed orfice pcv and a 15 40 will slow it down. It's very common and itll run like that indefinitely.
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#3398328 - 06/15/14 06:03 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: NHGUY]
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Registered: 08/14/10
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Loc: Northern Kentucky
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
What about "Restore"? Its supposed to seal scratches and grooves in cylinder walls.Kind of a last chance type product.


Restore will plug the filter with soft metals, which might band aid the problem, but the oil burning isn't life threatening unless ran low.
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#3398350 - 06/15/14 06:47 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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+2 on the 15w40. Thick won't help slow it but for some reason the 15w40 burns "better" in so far as not pulling octane, knocking, and pulling power. This from my own s-series fleet experience.

Also run a long filter on it, b/c "why not". FL400s/ P20195/ 3600.

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#3398397 - 06/15/14 07:28 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Its low tension rings for fuel economy. Some also say its in part to not enough drainback holes in the piston , coking the ring lands. If you have a saturn not burning oil like my '02 id use pennzoil ultra. If its already burning oil, then a high mileage 30 wt. 10w 30 in summer and 5w 30 hm in winter. If it really starts going through it, then the 15w 40 summer. When my son's 01 needs a clutch , we are going to rering/rebearing it with a valve job.


Edited by spasm3 (06/15/14 07:29 PM)
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#3398433 - 06/15/14 08:01 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
Doog Offline


Registered: 10/24/11
Posts: 3469
Loc: Ohio
I would do two things:

1. replace the pcv valve.
2. switch to maxlife.

The car is already 14 years old. Not worth a repair and all of the snake oil additives really are a waste of $$.


Edited by Doog (06/15/14 08:02 PM)
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#3398450 - 06/15/14 08:18 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Have you tried a piston soak with MMO or Kreen?
Saturn piston soak
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#3398457 - 06/15/14 08:34 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: umungus1122]
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Originally Posted By: umungus1122
Have you tried a piston soak with MMO or Kreen?
Saturn piston soak


I have tried those in the past with b-12 and mmo, they won't work.
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#3398616 - 06/16/14 02:09 AM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Doog]
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Wow doug you must have a whole boat load of cash to suggest a car isn't worth repairing.. its sure as heck. Lot cheaper to repair a car you already own than to go out andbuy a new one..
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#3398629 - 06/16/14 03:51 AM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: spasm3]
Olas Offline


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Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
Have you tried a piston soak with MMO or Kreen?
Saturn piston soak


I have tried those in the past with b-12 and mmo, they won't work.



They might not have worked in the particular instance when you tried.them but thats not to say they wont work. Many on here including myself have had great results unsticking rings with a piston soak. Some use MMO, others prefer berrymans, diesel, brake cleaner or other strong chemicals..
More compression and less consumption can only be a good thing, and for the low cost and ease of trying its really stupid not to.
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#3398661 - 06/16/14 06:32 AM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Olas]
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Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: umungus1122
Have you tried a piston soak with MMO or Kreen?
Saturn piston soak


I have tried those in the past with b-12 and mmo, they won't work.



They might not have worked in the particular instance when you tried.them but thats not to say they wont work. Many on here including myself have had great results unsticking rings with a piston soak. Some use MMO, others prefer berrymans, diesel, brake cleaner or other strong chemicals..
More compression and less consumption can only be a good thing, and for the low cost and ease of trying its really stupid not to.


These cars have a very specific, well documented, issue responsible for their oil burning. Conventional wisdom is lost on them. The issue was fixed in the 02 model year IIRC. This guy has it right:

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Its low tension rings for fuel economy. Some also say its in part to not enough drainback holes in the piston , coking the ring lands. If you have a saturn not burning oil like my '02 id use pennzoil ultra. If its already burning oil, then a high mileage 30 wt. 10w 30 in summer and 5w 30 hm in winter. If it really starts going through it, then the 15w 40 summer.


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#3398772 - 06/16/14 09:35 AM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: mkosem]
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Originally Posted By: mkosem
These cars have a very specific, well documented, issue responsible for their oil burning. Conventional wisdom is lost on them. The issue was fixed in the 02 model year IIRC. This guy has it right:

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Its low tension rings for fuel economy. Some also say its in part to not enough drainback holes in the piston , coking the ring lands. If you have a saturn not burning oil like my '02 id use pennzoil ultra. If its already burning oil, then a high mileage 30 wt. 10w 30 in summer and 5w 30 hm in winter. If it really starts going through it, then the 15w 40 summer.

--Matt


Correct that piston ring design causes the Saturn oil consumption.

The first thing I would do is change the PCV valve and then determine just how much oil you're burning--how many miles per quart. (Also make sure to fix any possible leaks.) If that's reasonable, like maybe 1000 miles/qt or more, try a synthetic known for cleaning.

If the oil consumption is more extreme, synthetic is going to get expensive. In that case, use the cheapest dino you can find and keep it topped up.

I married into a '94 that was using a quart in 500 miles. It progressed to one quart per 200 miles. It drank 15-40 as readily as 10-30. I used Restore, Auto Rx, MMO, Seafoam smokeouts, and piston soaks with no improvement. (Who knows--maybe all that stuff even accelerated the consumption. It sure cost more time and money than cheap dino.)

I finally settled on the "cheapest dino 10W-30 available" program. At one time, that meant 49 cent Chevron from Kragen. Those were the days for a Saturn driver! Most recently before I got rid of the car, Pepboys had a $1/quart Peak deal.

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#3398875 - 06/16/14 12:02 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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I bought a bunch of the nextgen high mileage when it was $5.00 for 5 quarts. I cleaned a few shelves of it i have around 40-50 quarts of it for the 01 saturn.
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#3399155 - 06/16/14 05:20 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Rhymingmechanic]
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Originally Posted By: Rhymingmechanic
Originally Posted By: mkosem
These cars have a very specific, well documented, issue responsible for their oil burning. Conventional wisdom is lost on them. The issue was fixed in the 02 model year IIRC. This guy has it right:

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Its low tension rings for fuel economy. Some also say its in part to not enough drainback holes in the piston , coking the ring lands. If you have a saturn not burning oil like my '02 id use pennzoil ultra. If its already burning oil, then a high mileage 30 wt. 10w 30 in summer and 5w 30 hm in winter. If it really starts going through it, then the 15w 40 summer.

--Matt


Correct that piston ring design causes the Saturn oil consumption.

The first thing I would do is change the PCV valve and then determine just how much oil you're burning--how many miles per quart. (Also make sure to fix any possible leaks.) If that's reasonable, like maybe 1000 miles/qt or more, try a synthetic known for cleaning.

If the oil consumption is more extreme, synthetic is going to get expensive. In that case, use the cheapest dino you can find and keep it topped up.

I married into a '94 that was using a quart in 500 miles. It progressed to one quart per 200 miles. It drank 15-40 as readily as 10-30. I used Restore, Auto Rx, MMO, Seafoam smokeouts, and piston soaks with no improvement. (Who knows--maybe all that stuff even accelerated the consumption. It sure cost more time and money than cheap dino.)

I finally settled on the "cheapest dino 10W-30 available" program. At one time, that meant 49 cent Chevron from Kragen. Those were the days for a Saturn driver! Most recently before I got rid of the car, Pepboys had a $1/quart Peak deal.





I had a '94 also. Always saw the best running and least oil consumption with Mobil 1300 Super 15w-40. Even had it analyzed: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=220521

--Matt

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#3401151 - 06/19/14 01:26 AM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Thanks for All the Replies so far.

Turns out this Saturn also has an Oil Leak. Atm I'm looking into finding where the Leak is and how best to repair it. Figure I'll repair the Leak before I proceed any further into the Consumption Problem

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#3401777 - 06/19/14 08:28 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Originally Posted By: Scanoe
Thanks for All the Replies so far.

Turns out this Saturn also has an Oil Leak. Atm I'm looking into finding where the Leak is and how best to repair it. Figure I'll repair the Leak before I proceed any further into the Consumption Problem


Mine developed a rear main seal leak somewhere in the 150k miles range. Ended up being a rear main seal, and I never did fixing that engine. I did later swap in a twin cam engine at ~185k that burned even more oil than the stock TBI SOHC engine though :-P

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#3403450 - 06/21/14 11:24 PM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: 901Memphis]
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
If it gets bad enough you can always grab some sae 70 motor oil.


Bad idea. Gear oil contains EP/AW additives than can become corrosive when used inside an engine.
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#3403528 - 06/22/14 04:52 AM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
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Originally Posted By: NeuroticHapiSnak
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
If it gets bad enough you can always grab some sae 70 motor oil.


Bad idea. Gear oil contains EP/AW additives than can become corrosive when used inside an engine.


Motor oil
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#3409070 - 06/28/14 09:30 AM Re: 2000 Saturn SL2 Buring Oil, a Cheap$ Fix ? [Re: Scanoe]
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Menard's is in MN, right? Not the lowest price, but better than average.

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