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#3393758 - 06/10/14 08:17 AM Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations
lordoftheriffs Offline


Registered: 06/09/14
Posts: 8
Loc: Greece
Hello everyone from Greece, first post in this amazing and very educational forum, I'd like to ask the opinion of yours.
My car is a VW Scirocco MK3, with the 1.4L twincharger DI motor. In many ways it should be very similar to the MK5 and MK6 GTI engine except for displacement and supercharger for low rev boost. Stock is 160 hp, now tuned to over 230 hp with the usual stage 1 mods.
I gotta say that my mileage is pretty low and in the 4 years of ownership I did only 34000kms, or 21200 miles, so engine oil changes come naturally every year with 5200 miles OCI. First change was ta 5200 miles from factory oil to M1 ESP 5w30, from which I heard great reviews. The second change was again the same oil, and for the third and fourth oil change i used Motul X-clean+ 5w30. All these oils have 504/507 vw specifications.
Unfortunately we don't have UOA here so I can't comment on engine wear much. Car is driven hard, broken in per manufacturer's guide, and never had a single problem with it. Since adding half a quart of oil after break in at 1000 miles, never had a visible oil consumption. Always allowing to reach 60 degrees oil temp on trips, and 3 minutes of turbo cooling. 85% off city and 15% city driving.
Do you think I should continue using Motul? I have a concern with intake valve deposits and Motul has 0.61% sulfated ash, is it low enough? Should I benefit from switching to another viscosity or saps? Price isn't a concern, should I continue with 504 spec oils? VW also allows 502 spec oils for fixed intervals for my engine
Also 1 thing I found out that M1 ESP is SHC oil, while Motul X-clean+ is a true synthetic, as german site of Motul reveals.
Data sheet for X-clean+ 5w30: X-clean+ 5w30
Thank you in advance

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#3393795 - 06/10/14 09:10 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
yvon_la Offline


Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 740
Loc: quebec canada
mobil delvac1 le5w30 meet or exeed all spec I have read be it on big 18 wheeler or cars.so might want to start there then find an equivalent in your part of the world (since that isn't likely to be on shelf in greece
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#3393909 - 06/10/14 11:32 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1185
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: lordoftheriffs
Hello everyone from Greece, first post in this amazing and very educational forum, I'd like to ask the opinion of yours.
My car is a VW Scirocco MK3, with the 1.4L twincharger DI motor. In many ways it should be very similar to the MK5 and MK6 GTI engine except for displacement and supercharger for low rev boost. Stock is 160 hp, now tuned to over 230 hp with the usual stage 1 mods.
I gotta say that my mileage is pretty low and in the 4 years of ownership I did only 34000kms, or 21200 miles, so engine oil changes come naturally every year with 5200 miles OCI. First change was ta 5200 miles from factory oil to M1 ESP 5w30, from which I heard great reviews. The second change was again the same oil, and for the third and fourth oil change i used Motul X-clean+ 5w30. All these oils have 504/507 vw specifications.
Unfortunately we don't have UOA here so I can't comment on engine wear much. Car is driven hard, broken in per manufacturer's guide, and never had a single problem with it. Since adding half a quart of oil after break in at 1000 miles, never had a visible oil consumption. Always allowing to reach 60 degrees oil temp on trips, and 3 minutes of turbo cooling. 85% off city and 15% city driving.
Do you think I should continue using Motul? I have a concern with intake valve deposits and Motul has 0.61% sulfated ash, is it low enough? Should I benefit from switching to another viscosity or saps? Price isn't a concern, should I continue with 504 spec oils? VW also allows 502 spec oils for fixed intervals for my engine
Also 1 thing I found out that M1 ESP is SHC oil, while Motul X-clean+ is a true synthetic, as german site of Motul reveals.
Data sheet for X-clean+ 5w30: X-clean+ 5w30
Thank you in advance

I would stick to M1 ESP 5W30!
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#3393910 - 06/10/14 11:33 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: yvon_la]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1185
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: yvon_la
mobil delvac1 le5w30 meet or exeed all spec I have read be it on big 18 wheeler or cars.so might want to start there then find an equivalent in your part of the world (since that isn't likely to be on shelf in greece

That would be step down! It is EU market and no sulphur issues in gas.
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#3393930 - 06/10/14 11:53 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: edyvw]
Falcon_LS Offline


Registered: 10/03/08
Posts: 3582
Loc: Kuwait
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I would stick to M1 ESP 5W30!


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#3393952 - 06/10/14 12:20 PM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: edyvw]
lordoftheriffs Offline


Registered: 06/09/14
Posts: 8
Loc: Greece
Do you think Motul is inferior to mobil? Their specifications are almost the same, M1 is a tad thicker and motul is certainly PAO and/or ester while m1 is SHC?

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#3394066 - 06/10/14 02:42 PM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
UG_Passat Offline


Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 1091
Loc: NJ
the X-clean+ may be also a group V base oil, which is actually good for slowing deposits on the intake valves.

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#3394117 - 06/10/14 04:13 PM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1185
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: lordoftheriffs
Do you think Motul is inferior to mobil? Their specifications are almost the same, M1 is a tad thicker and motul is certainly PAO and/or ester while m1 is SHC?

M1 has very high flash point, and very good HTHS (3.58) while cst is 12.1
I absolutely do not think Motul is inferior but I do not think there is much difference. Also, considering extremely low NOACK of m1, probably it has substantial Ester content.
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#3394491 - 06/11/14 01:52 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
Mathson Offline


Registered: 12/06/12
Posts: 66
Loc: North Europe
From Motul 8100 X-Clean+ 5W30 msds:

CAS 64742-54-7 25-50% (distillates petroleum hydrotreated heavy paraffinic)

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#3394500 - 06/11/14 02:40 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: Mathson]
lordoftheriffs Offline


Registered: 06/09/14
Posts: 8
Loc: Greece
What does that mean?

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#3394504 - 06/11/14 03:02 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
Mathson Offline


Registered: 12/06/12
Posts: 66
Loc: North Europe
According to Molakule, mineral paraffinic base oil, any group.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=257884

But my guess is Grp III. Same goes for Motul 300V series, you see these "hydro this, hydro that, petroleum...etc). Just wonder their "100-synthetic" claim.

Sorry not able to link those msds but you can look it up from their web site.


Edited by Mathson (06/11/14 03:04 AM)

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#3394509 - 06/11/14 04:00 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
lim Offline


Registered: 04/17/14
Posts: 23
Loc: Hampshire, England
LOTR,

The VW 504/507 specification combination is such a demanding one that, frankly, any lubricant meeting it is bound to be a first class solution. The best of all worlds tends to be those that meet VW 504/507 and BMW LL-04 and MB 229.51.
All the major player provide these and so it is down to availability, cost and whim.

Regards, lim


Edited by lim (06/11/14 04:01 AM)

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#3394519 - 06/11/14 05:04 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
lordoftheriffs Offline


Registered: 06/09/14
Posts: 8
Loc: Greece
Thank you all so much. I have 2 more questions. First, since I drive the car pretty hard and greek summers have up to 36 degrees celsius, do I benefit from a higher viscosity oil like 502 spec or am I fine with 5w30 504 spec oils. Secondly we have a merc a180 cdi with 1.5dci Renault motor. Mercedes recommends 229.51 oil while renault recommends rn0720 acea c4 oil. Which one is better? Also oci by manufacturer is 30000kms, and the car is daily driven on highways with no city use, when should I change the oil?

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#3394673 - 06/11/14 09:17 AM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
lim Offline


Registered: 04/17/14
Posts: 23
Loc: Hampshire, England
LOTR,

Bear in mind that when at operating temperature all of our engines run much, much hotter than 36C and that your engine was designed to use xW-30 engine lubricants.
Although your A-Class has an engine that originated with Renault, Mercedes-Benz has adopted it, installed it in their cars and renamed it as an "OM607" thus I would follow M-B's advice as per their handbooks and data sheets, which is for 226.51, 229.31, 229.51 or 229.52.
So it seems your optimum lubrication solution is a 5w-30 oil that meets both VW 504/507 and MB Approval 229.51. There are many available (Castrol, Shell, Mobil, Fuchs, Motul, etc)
As regards oil change intervals, I would abide by the manufacturer's recommendation and use good quality fluids and filters.

Regards, lim

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#3395074 - 06/11/14 07:33 PM Re: Scirocco 1.4 TSI tuned oil recommendations [Re: lordoftheriffs]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1185
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: lordoftheriffs
Thank you all so much. I have 2 more questions. First, since I drive the car pretty hard and greek summers have up to 36 degrees celsius, do I benefit from a higher viscosity oil like 502 spec or am I fine with 5w30 504 spec oils. Secondly we have a merc a180 cdi with 1.5dci Renault motor. Mercedes recommends 229.51 oil while renault recommends rn0720 acea c4 oil. Which one is better? Also oci by manufacturer is 30000kms, and the car is daily driven on highways with no city use, when should I change the oil?

You are fine with VW 504.00/507.00.
I used 0W30 in much higher temp. conditions.
I know Greece climate very well, you will not have issues.
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