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#3393474 - 06/09/14 09:17 PM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: Trajan]
dave5358 Offline

Registered: 04/25/13
Posts: 669
Loc: North Bend
Originally Posted By: Trajan
So, just like Zmax, it penetrates metal.............. (Yeah, I once fell for the hype..... Never again on any oil additive.)

If anyone cares to get past THIS hype, you might check AVBLEND's website. This seems to be the same product as Z-Max, also known as Lenckite or Linkite. The product and it's originator has a rather interesting history . Avblend is FAA approved as an oil additive.

It's true that there was an FTC complaint against the Z-Max company some years ago, in part because of the 'soaks into metal' claim, but that case was settled with Z-Max being permitted to continue this specific advertising. Misstatements to the contrary, there was no fine. The 'cash settlement' in the FTC case... didn't happen. FTC simply required Z-Max to establish a fund for any purchaser prior to a certain date who wanted a refund. It's unclear if there were any takers.

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Yeah, I once fell for the hype..... Never again on any oil additive.

Never again? Never again! It's good to see there's a learning curve. Back when Trajan 'fell for the hype', was that when you were in favor of Z-Max before you were against it? Or, against it before you were in favor of it?

Here is Trajan's earlier endorsement of Z-Max - fourth message from the top, although the whole thread is quite fascinating:


"Well, pilots I know love the stuff [Avblend] in their oil, and FAA approvals are not handed out like candy at Halloween.

Different name, but the same formula.

Found this in my net travel:

I'm thinking that to market it to the car crowd, they came up with Zmax, as not many would put Avblend in a ground bound motor.

It's been FAA approved since 1980. And been around far longer. No flopping."


Trajan will have to explain the meaning of "flopping".

This thread is really interesting, both for the information and personalities involved. Read it to the humorous conclusion.

Back on the topic of MMO (that was the subject of this thread, right), MMO has a fair percentage of this same mineral oil in the mix, so a reader might conclude that the mineral oil in MMO might work like the mineral oil in Z-Max or Lenckite or Avblend (for which you-know-who is a bona-fide booster). Could that mean... ?

I'd better quit. I've reached my idiot-overload quotient for the evening.

2006 Forester XT
2008 Corolla LE

#3393495 - 06/09/14 09:37 PM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: gr8gatzby]
gr8gatzby Offline

Registered: 11/22/05
Posts: 596
Loc: Charlotte, NC
Wayne, I'm all in if you want to part with it.
'95 Ford F150 | 4x4 | 5.8 | 13MPG
'96 Volvo 850 Wagon | I5 | 5SP | 24MPG

#3393507 - 06/09/14 09:47 PM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: gr8gatzby]
Mystic Offline

Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 8420
Loc: Colorado
Again, if people would stay on topic it would help. This post is about a guy trying MMO and asking for advice about it. If somebody wants to start their own post on Auto-RX or whatever they should do so.

I don't think anybody can claim that I took this post off topic. The topic is MMO.

#3393518 - 06/09/14 09:54 PM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: Trajan]
demarpaint Offline

Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 23355
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic
The guy here who probably knows more about MMO than anybody else is demarpaint. He can give you the straight stuff. He has been using MMO for about 40 years.

Be sure no to exceed 25% MMO to oil. So if you have a 4 quart capacity you would not use more than 1 quart MMO replacing 1 quart of oil. If you have a 5 quart capacity 1 quart would be 20%, replacing 1 quart of oil.

Guys often use MMO in the wintertime because it thins the oil somewhat. If used in the summertime some guys say use a little thicker oil if possible (if allowed by manufacturer) to make up for the thinning of the oil.

It is probably best to check with demarpaint on how long to leave the MMO in there.

One could also read this thread:

The locked threads are the best, check out the Paid Posters thread too.
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#3393526 - 06/09/14 10:00 PM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: demarpaint]
Mystic Offline

Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 8420
Loc: Colorado
Anybody who is reading, see for yourself what guys at this website take posts off topic and try to discredit anybody who talks in a favorable way about some product they do not like or some product that competes with whatever product they believe in. Anybody who can read can check this post out and see for themselves.

A guy asked for simple information about MMO. He is trying MMO. Is it possible for people who know about MMO to help this guy without all of this nonsense? Since the guy was already trying MMO, he deserves help with the product. Is that fair?

#3393911 - 06/10/14 11:33 AM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: gr8gatzby]
KCJeep Offline

Registered: 06/30/11
Posts: 5848
Loc: Mahzurrah!
I like MMO and it does work, albeit slowly which is a good thing anyway. I'd rather slowly dissolve crud than break chunks loose.

I have used it off and on in my crudded up Jeep and it does indeed clean and usually makes the engine quieter as well.

MMO doesn't recommend it's use for OCI's longer than 3k, but many have run it longer than that without issue.
2004 Jeep GC WJ 4.0 @ 128k Pennzoil YB SAE 30 w/MMO
Fram PH16 test
KIA Sedona 52k, Chevy Lumina 178k, Chrysler Sebring 181k, Chrysler Concorde 109k

#3394202 - 06/10/14 06:22 PM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: gr8gatzby]
901Memphis Online   content

Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 8992
Loc: Northern Kentucky
I don't think naphthenic solvents like MMO are necessary, just use quality high detergent API SL+ oils and keep an eye on how the filters are handlingthe oci if you can cut them open.
2002 Buick Century 113k - Built 4T65e - QS Defy 5w30/Fram TG 3387A
1998 Nissan Altima 334k - 5MT - Valvoline conventional + filter

#3394339 - 06/10/14 08:49 PM Re: MMO first timer. How many miles should I run? [Re: 901Memphis]
IGotYourBack Offline

Registered: 11/06/13
Posts: 32
Loc: Kentucky. The Bluegrass State
I've used MMO enough outside of automotive use to know it does break loose mild grease and dirt, thereby a mild cleaner. Very good at preventing outside oxidization on carburetors I have sitting for months at a time for customers as well.

I used this in my slant 6 when I first purchased. I poured half a quart in at the beginning of change, and the rest during the last 100 miles of solid driving.
I drained as soon as I came home. Followed with 10w-40 from then on.

I occasionally use this in my gas tank, I cannot verify the cleaning abilities for the valves myself, but my engineering instructor got me using the stuff.

He is a pilot and said they go through engines on a regular basis, and the pilots running MMO have much less carbon and deposits. Does this help the life? You be the judge.

Another use I like is for vehicles (carbureted) that have sat months/years at a time, is a plastic water bottle filled with gasoline, add a cap full of 2 stroke oil and 2 caps of MMO. Fill the carburetor bowl with the mixture. Helps lubricate the top end which is guaranteed to be bone dry otherwise.
1986 Dodge D100, Slant 6 (Current Daily Driver)
-- Formula Shell 10W40 --
-- STP S3600 --
'77 Ford Maverick, 2 door
'77 Ford Maverick, 4 door

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