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#3393551 - 06/09/14 10:48 PM Re: z max [Re: Durango]
dave5358 Offline


Registered: 04/25/13
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Originally Posted By: Durango
If I remember the FTC's final conclusion....zMAX was nothing more than some sort of refined "mineral oil" and that's all. They were also ordered by the court to redefine all the claims they made because of the testing.

Z-Max was another name for Lenckite also known as Linkite and also known as Avblend. Avblend is still sold as an FAA Approved oil additive. All of these products are primarily refined mineral oil - they do not claim to be anything else. There is an interesting history of this group of products on the Avblend website. If you google 'Avblend' or 'Lenckite' there is more information on the web, much of it related to piston aircraft.

The FTC complaint was about Z-Max's advertising claim that it 'soaked into metal'. The FTC settlement agreement specifically permitted Z-Max to continue making this advertising claim. This was an agreed settlement - not a court order. Z-Max also agreed to establish a fund to refund the purchase price to purchasers (before a certain cutoff date) if the purchaser wanted a refund. It is unclear if there were many takers on this refund offer. All things considered, Z-Max pretty clearly held the high ground in this FTC matter.
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#3393593 - 06/10/14 12:15 AM Re: z max [Re: dave5358]
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Originally Posted By: dave5358

Z-Max was another name for Lenckite also known as Linkite and also known as Avblend. Avblend is still sold as an FAA Approved oil additive.


Be aware that FAA approval is not proof of efficacy, only that the product was proven to do no harm.

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#3393779 - 06/10/14 08:46 AM Re: z max [Re: edhackett]
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True. I could just as easily sell 1-ounce bottles of plain AeroShell as an "additive" and I could get FAA approval.

Originally Posted By: edhackett
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Z-Max was another name for Lenckite also known as Linkite and also known as Avblend. Avblend is still sold as an FAA Approved oil additive.

Be aware that FAA approval is not proof of efficacy, only that the product was proven to do no harm.

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#3394547 - 06/11/14 06:38 AM Re: z max [Re: Durango]
GatorJ Offline


Registered: 07/24/03
Posts: 180
Loc: Tampa
Originally Posted By: Durango
mikered30,

If I remember the FTC's final conclusion....zMAX was nothing more than some sort of refined "mineral oil" and that's all.
They were also ordered by the court to redefine all the claims they made because of the testing.

Personally if that's the case then I'd rather try XADO product instead but the other side of me tells me to be cautious. If the claims are too good then it;s too good to be true.

Durango


You remember incorrectly. Zmax was allowed to continue making all of its prior advertising claims EXCEPT one regarding a specific increase in gas mileage.

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#3404491 - 06/23/14 12:10 PM Re: z max [Re: built]
Arctic388 Offline


Registered: 08/15/05
Posts: 292
Loc: Sothern Middle Tennesee
not sure what the gas additive does but i have proof the oil additive breaks down carbon in the engine oil.

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#3404517 - 06/23/14 12:58 PM Re: z max [Re: Arctic388]
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Before you share with us your proof, can you explain what you mean by "carbon in the engine oil"? What carbon exactly, and why is it a problem?

Originally Posted By: Arctic388
not sure what the gas additive does but i have proof the oil additive breaks down carbon in the engine oil.
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#3404519 - 06/23/14 01:02 PM Re: z max [Re: built]
Arctic388 Offline


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I will have to share proof to show you what i mean.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy

specifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf27FQsh3...hqy&index=8

you be the judge if the carbon is a problem.

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#3404583 - 06/23/14 02:20 PM Re: z max [Re: Arctic388]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 4246
Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I will have to share proof to show you what i mean.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy

specifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf27FQsh3...hqy&index=8

you be the judge if the carbon is a problem.


Holy geez. Now that is one sludge packed filter. Dang man. Well done.
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#3404614 - 06/23/14 02:51 PM Re: z max [Re: Arctic388]
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No, what you said was:

"I have proof the oil additive breaks down carbon in the engine oil".

That was what I was asking about. I wanted to know what carbon was in the engine oil and how it was broken down.

You're really claiming that the zMAX will help to remove deposits in the engine.

Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I will have to share proof to show you what i mean.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy

specifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf27FQsh3...hqy&index=8

you be the judge if the carbon is a problem.
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#3404653 - 06/23/14 03:39 PM Re: z max [Re: built]
Clevy Offline


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Loc: Saskatoon canada
I followed the links.
I've gotta say that the filter looks just packed with mud. So if I've got a sludged engine zmax certainly works to remove the sludge.
Thanks for posting. It's a cleaner,not a friction modifier nor anti-wear agent.

Good to know.
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#3429400 - 07/19/14 04:26 PM Re: z max [Re: built]
Arctic388 Offline


Registered: 08/15/05
Posts: 292
Loc: Sothern Middle Tennesee
continuing saga of oil filter full of sludge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMYbTz4AlQ&list=UUXJa_IXSznknc0d1SBEOa-g

i did not use z max this OCI but i think the 2 previous times using it softened up the carbon inside engine.

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#3429452 - 07/19/14 05:26 PM Re: z max [Re: built]
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Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 22180
Loc: NY
Interesting video^^. Have you considered working with gloves to handle that muck?
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#3430067 - 07/20/14 10:35 AM Re: z max [Re: Arctic388]
GatorJ Offline


Registered: 07/24/03
Posts: 180
Loc: Tampa
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
continuing saga of oil filter full of sludge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMYbTz4AlQ&list=UUXJa_IXSznknc0d1SBEOa-g

i did not use z max this OCI but i think the 2 previous times using it softened up the carbon inside engine.


Thanks for posting these....can't wait for the movie.

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#3430120 - 07/20/14 11:46 AM Re: z max [Re: built]
Rosetta Offline


Registered: 07/06/14
Posts: 211
Loc: Sta Catarina, Br
Well, isn't Zmax mostly ZDDP and Avblend mostly Tryclesil Phosfate?

No way FAA would approve ZDDP in aircraft engines as additives, since is a huge ash former at cc, when burnt. Only very low ash products can be added to aircraft engines, by approved OEM, since they burn about 1 quart each 4 hours operation in average and can handle no ash, specially in an event: flying on emergency from oil starvation, if ash is being produced engines are much prone to size and freeze the prop earlier in the emergency flyght, leaving the cockpit very silent.
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#3430275 - 07/20/14 02:26 PM Re: z max [Re: Rosetta]
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Registered: 04/25/13
Posts: 669
Loc: North Bend
Originally Posted By: Rosetta
Well, isn't Zmax mostly ZDDP and Avblend mostly Tryclesil Phosfate?

Zmax is re-bottled Avblend.
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