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#3390837 - 06/06/14 04:03 PM Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
I finally got around to replacing the factory fuel pump today on the 2000 Silverado. Been having fuel pick up issues when at a quarter tank. To my surprise, a red rag was wrapped around the fuel sending unit float, and the fuel pickup sock was clogged with cloth fibers. I am the original owner, and the pump has never been replaced before. This had to be from the factory because the rag was smashed under the fuel pump which is spring loaded to the bottom of the tank, it coulod not have worked it's way under there. This may explain other driveability issues I have had. While under warrantee it went back to the dealer many times for rough running and lack of power but they always blew it off as "operating as designed". This is one of the reasons I will never purchase another gm vehicle. I am new to posting pictures so I hope they show up, or the link.




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#3390842 - 06/06/14 04:07 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Kool1 Offline


Registered: 01/25/13
Posts: 333
Loc: California
That is one of the craziest stories I've ever heard. I'm glad you figured out what was really going on.

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#3390846 - 06/06/14 04:11 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Kuato Online   sleepy


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2902
Loc: Northeastern MT
I'd be getting in touch with GM to collect on your warranty claim. The least they owe you is for your time and repeated visits, and the work you have done - since you had a valid warranty claim in the first place and they did nothing.
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#3390847 - 06/06/14 04:12 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Nayov Offline


Registered: 08/01/09
Posts: 699
Loc: ME
Wow. Buddy of mine bought a new Sunfire back in the day and not 50 miles down the road the engine blew. it turns out there was an air tool left in the crankcase from the assembly.

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#3390848 - 06/06/14 04:12 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
oldhp Offline


Registered: 06/28/12
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Loc: Southern Illinois
Might not do anything but I would take that to dealer and show the service department. I would also send pictures to GM. With all the negative stuff going on with them right now you never know what they might do. I'll bet the idiot that installed the pump in the tank laughed his a$$ off. Jerk.
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#3390857 - 06/06/14 04:17 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
yvon_la Offline


Registered: 05/20/14
Posts: 705
Loc: quebec canada
send the picture to gm themselves and to your local dealer ,they might not do anything for your case but it will prevent future issue!(its probably a Friday pickup,employe shift change and forgot to remove the rag,they come like that out of the box they come from ,but empoye is supposed to remove it!probably a newby employe cause I doubt an experienced one would make this mistake!also make sure to send them the pump numbers,they can verify quality control issue at various stage
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#3390863 - 06/06/14 04:24 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
tomcat27 Offline


Registered: 06/25/09
Posts: 2456
Loc: Midwest
"operating as designed"! just like the ignition switch failures...

pretty amazing. gotta admit, that one would be tough to diagnose. too bad you lived with that for 14 years....

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#3390873 - 06/06/14 04:34 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
901Memphis Offline


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Loc: Northern Kentucky
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...tan#Post3332193


It happens to airplanes too. Thought I'd share.
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#3390882 - 06/06/14 04:46 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 3928
Loc: chicago, Illinois
I think it is amusing that folks think incidents like this only happen at GM.

This can happen anywhere to any car manufacturer, I seriously doubt that this was deliberate, most likely an accident caused by a shift change over and or a inexperienced or new line workers.

Accidents do happen, I would contact GM and ask for a ticket to be opened on this incident since it could have caused the vehicle to stall causing an accident. My bet is they will cover the repair or replacement of the fuel pump assembly.

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#3390886 - 06/06/14 04:48 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
After I saw that I was surprised the fuel gauge still worked.
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#3390894 - 06/06/14 04:57 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
NHGUY Offline


Registered: 10/09/11
Posts: 3282
Loc: USA
"New" GM wont pay,they said themselves that they are not responsible for what "Old" GM did....lol As for the stuff they are putting out now....

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#3390896 - 06/06/14 04:58 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
wag123 Offline


Registered: 06/14/11
Posts: 534
Loc: Texas
Was your Silverado a Mexican built truck (the first digit of the VIN will be a 3)?

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#3390898 - 06/06/14 05:03 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: antiqueshell]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I think it is amusing that folks think incidents like this only happen at GM.

This can happen anywhere to any car manufacturer, I seriously doubt that this was deliberate, most likely an accident caused by a shift change over and or a inexperienced or new line workers.

Accidents do happen, I would contact GM and ask for a ticket to be opened on this incident since it could have caused the vehicle to stall causing an accident. My bet is they will cover the repair or replacement of the fuel pump assembly.


I agree this could happen to any brand, but I am already a gm hater due to this truck and another gm vehicle and trying to deal with their smug service writers who don't know jack about the real workings of a vehicle. If the scanner doesn't show anything nothing can be wrong is their attitude. I am going to eat the cost of this replacement (Spectra Premium went in) because it isn't worth talking to those gm morons about it. Back in 03 I tried to get gm to re-purchase the vehicle through the BBB program, don't waste your time. The BBB was just a shill for the automaker. After driving my vehicle the BBB dude says there appears to be something wrong with the vehicle alright but I don't think it severely impacts the value of the vehicle, judgement for the automaker. I even had an independent dyno sheet that showed reduced power and random misfires on all cylinders, the gm dude accused me of having a friend write the report. gm is dead to me. Rant over.
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#3390899 - 06/06/14 05:05 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: wag123]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: wag123
Was your Silverado a Mexican built truck (the first digit of the VIN will be a 3)?


No. First digit is a 2.
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#3390901 - 06/06/14 05:08 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 3928
Loc: chicago, Illinois
@another Todd:

I don't see why you wouldn't invest a few minutes calling GM corporate and opening up a ticket on this, if corporate has a field rep check it out and they find it was an mistake from the factory they will pay for the repair. You won't be dealing directly with the dealer SW you will be dealing with the GM
rep and what they instruct the dealer to do is final. GM will pay for the repair.

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#3390902 - 06/06/14 05:10 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 13286
Loc: Upstate NY
On a VW I found after 40K miles that one end of a plastic hose that blows in air to the cat when its cold was caulked to the nipple with bathroom caulk. It had never been anywhere except to the dealer for the 15 or so defects the vehicle accumulated before I sold it.
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#3390903 - 06/06/14 05:12 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Donald Offline


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Posts: 13286
Loc: Upstate NY
There is also a "chain of custody" for the evidence as the dealer did not find it.
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#3390904 - 06/06/14 05:12 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
tdpark Offline


Registered: 07/25/05
Posts: 418
Loc: New York
How is the truck running now- all good?

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#3390909 - 06/06/14 05:17 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
901Memphis Offline


Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 5162
Loc: Northern Kentucky
Yes hopefully the new fuel pump gives it new life.
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#3390910 - 06/06/14 05:19 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Bryankkkk Offline


Registered: 12/31/12
Posts: 264
Loc: Wisconsin
Look on the bright side you got a free rag!
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#3390937 - 06/06/14 06:00 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
123Saab Offline


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Posts: 1256
Loc: PA
Terrible.
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#3390941 - 06/06/14 06:06 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46592
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Your lawn needs mowing.

Your in tank filter looks a little ragged, too.

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#3390944 - 06/06/14 06:17 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: Bryankkkk]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: Bryankkkk
Look on the bright side you got a free rag!


No not really, it's to chewed up to use, and a lot of it was in strands and balls of strands on the bottom of the tank.
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#3390946 - 06/06/14 06:19 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: tdpark]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: tdpark
How is the truck running now- all good?


Just took it out for a short trip to get fuel before I went to work (in a different vehicle). I really need to drive it a while beffore I will be able to tell if there is a difference, but I am sure the fuel starvation at a quarter tank will be gone now.
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#3390950 - 06/06/14 06:23 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Errtt Offline


Registered: 11/14/10
Posts: 2116
Loc: California
Yikes!
Yeah I'd at least contact GM on your results. Just not right.
One thing for sure, if you don't, nothing more happens by them.
At least you have found something that should not be there and should run better now.

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#3390955 - 06/06/14 06:28 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: Pablo]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Your lawn needs mowing.

Your in tank filter looks a little ragged, too.


No Pablo, that is the neighbor's yard. He hasn't mowed or done any other yard or house upkeep in over 6 years. Usually I and other neighbors get sick of looking at it and mow the weeds from time to time, but I am done with that. He's not handicapped or anything, he just doesn't care.

The in tank filter when first removed looked like a lint trap from the clothes dryer. Just a matting of single red threads. I removed the bed of the truck to replace so looking down into the tank I spent a while removing all the pieces and strands I could see. I am sure there are still a few in there.
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#3390967 - 06/06/14 06:48 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
mmavet Offline


Registered: 03/12/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Iowa, USA
That's crazy!!!!!!
While your at it those silverado's are notorious for the fuel pump ground wire loosing ground. Get a wire wheel or something to freshen up that ground connection to the under side of the bed!
Now if GM could make a rocker panel that didn't rust away after 5 years maybe they would sell more trucks.

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#3390974 - 06/06/14 07:04 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
wirelessF Offline


Registered: 10/04/07
Posts: 1230
Loc: Oahu, Hawaii
What brand did you replace it with? I'm looking at a Delphi fuel pump to replace the wonky Carter I have installed right now.
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#3390991 - 06/06/14 07:30 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
DirkDiggler Offline


Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 66
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: another Todd
I finally got around to replacing the factory fuel pump today on the 2000 Silverado. Been having fuel pick up issues when at a quarter tank. To my surprise, a red rag was wrapped around the fuel sending unit float, and the fuel pickup sock was clogged with cloth fibers. I am the original owner, and the pump has never been replaced before. This had to be from the factory because the rag was smashed under the fuel pump which is spring loaded to the bottom of the tank, it coulod not have worked it's way under there. This may explain other driveability issues I have had. While under warrantee it went back to the dealer many times for rough running and lack of power but they always blew it off as "operating as designed". This is one of the reasons I will never purchase another gm vehicle. I am new to posting pictures so I hope they show up, or the link.









Call gm and ask for warranty. Ask to speak with Helene Cohen. She is a legal assistant in law dept. She will say no to your claim. Tell her that you are going to engage plaintiffs counsel and in the meantime, given that a number of attorneys in the law dept were fired, did she believe that you won't have a good chance at trial when she has to testify about her role in everything or is this the transpirency the general counsel mike Millikan was promoting? Don't ask how I know. She is a b!tch but she is predictable.

Or you can call gm's 800 number and ask for Alicia boler-Davis, who is head of quality. Explain the problem. They will do something for you. But make sure of I put old pump into a sealed bag. You need it for evidence
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#3390993 - 06/06/14 07:31 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
ram_man Offline


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Loc: southern mo
We had a Chrysler plant near where I live so a lot of people worked there. They had their fair share of craziness to.its all auto makers not just gm.
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#3391011 - 06/06/14 07:49 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: wirelessF]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
What brand did you replace it with? I'm looking at a Delphi fuel pump to replace the wonky Carter I have installed right now.


Replaced it with a Spectra Premium ($101 and lifetime warrantee) from RockAuto. It came with different heavier duty plug style (to address a known problems with the factory original) that requires cutting off the original and splicing in the new one, no big deal. Looking at the Delphi on RockAuto looks like it has the upgraded electrical connector also.


Edited by another Todd (06/06/14 07:55 PM)
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#3391040 - 06/06/14 08:20 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
GMBoy Offline


Registered: 11/22/04
Posts: 6626
Loc: Texas
Just my 2 cents worth beings I am involved in GM truck manufacturing:

#1 The fuel tanks come to GM fully assembled and no GM employee touched the fuel pump.

#2 You stated that you went to the dealer a few times for warranty work. My money is on the dealer doing this. Red rags are used in many dealer and independent service centers..we have NO rags like that in a GM plant.



YOU SAID:
"This may explain other driveability issues I have had. While under warrantee it went back to the dealer many times for rough running and lack of power but they always blew it off as "operating as designed". This is one of the reasons I will never purchase another gm vehicle. I am new to posting pictures so I hope they show up, or the link."


Go raise cain with that dealership. Another reason I don't go to a dealer for anything. THIS could have been anywhere..a Ford or Toyota dealer even.


Edited by GMBoy (06/06/14 08:21 PM)

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#3391076 - 06/06/14 09:02 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: mmavet]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: mmavet
That's crazy!!!!!!
While your at it those silverado's are notorious for the fuel pump ground wire loosing ground. Get a wire wheel or something to freshen up that ground connection to the under side of the bed!
Now if GM could make a rocker panel that didn't rust away after 5 years maybe they would sell more trucks.


The ground was part of the harness. It did not have a seperate ground wire. Not sure where it comes out of the harness and actually connects to ground.
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#3391087 - 06/06/14 09:14 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: GMBoy]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Just my 2 cents worth beings I am involved in GM truck manufacturing:

#1 The fuel tanks come to GM fully assembled and no GM employee touched the fuel pump.

#2 You stated that you went to the dealer a few times for warranty work. My money is on the dealer doing this. Red rags are used in many dealer and independent service centers..we have NO rags like that in a GM plant.


Is it possible that the dealer replaced the pump under warrantee trying to fix the issues and didn't tell me? It seems every time I took it in for that issue they said it was "functioning as designed". I remember telling them that was a pretty weasel type statement because if the design was [censored] to begin with, than they didn't have to fix it because it was working as designed.
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#3391091 - 06/06/14 09:20 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: DirkDiggler]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
[/quote]
Call gm and ask for warranty. Ask to speak with Helene Cohen. She is a legal assistant in law dept. She will say no to your claim. Tell her that you are going to engage plaintiffs counsel and in the meantime, given that a number of attorneys in the law dept were fired, did she believe that you won't have a good chance at trial when she has to testify about her role in everything or is this the transpirency the general counsel mike Millikan was promoting? Don't ask how I know. She is a b!tch but she is predictable.

Or you can call gm's 800 number and ask for Alicia boler-Davis, who is head of quality. Explain the problem. They will do something for you. But make sure of I put old pump into a sealed bag. You need it for evidence [/quote]

Wouldn't the statute of limitations for taking legal action have expired on this? The vehicle is 14 years old.
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#3391099 - 06/06/14 09:26 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
mmavet Offline


Registered: 03/12/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Iowa, USA
If you removed the box,it's the only wire that connects near the filler tube.

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#3391117 - 06/06/14 09:51 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: mmavet]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: mmavet
If you removed the box,it's the only wire that connects near the filler tube.


The bed is back on but that wire should be accessable, I did see it. I'll clean it up tomorrow. Thanks for the tip!
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#3391142 - 06/06/14 10:27 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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GM won't do squat because....they have gone through bankruptcy and really couldn't care less about the pre-bankruptcy vehicles AND they will say that the rag went in there at a place that was outside of their controls.
This incident reminds me of an uncle who bought a brand new Ford sometime in the 70s. He drove it off the lot and right to our place, a distance of about 70 miles. When he got to our place, he was having driveability problems. The local mechanic found a candy bar wrapper stuck inside the carburetor. I suspect an assembly line worker had a sweet tooth.

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#3391155 - 06/06/14 10:45 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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Loc: Missouri
Yes but documented complaint over that time and gm worried about suits - throw the dice
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#3391166 - 06/06/14 11:04 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: DirkDiggler]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 3928
Loc: chicago, Illinois
Originally Posted By: DirkDiggler






Or you can call gm's 800 number and ask for Alicia boler-Davis, who is head of quality. Explain the problem. They will do something for you. But make sure of I put old pump into a sealed bag. You need it for evidence


One thing you should NEVER do...unless you want to go the through the legal system, ( a last resort because it is prohibitively expensive for you, NOT GM) is to mention a legal case or using the legal system against any company, as soon as you bring that up the company will stop all communication with you IMMEDIATELY and refer YOUR lawyer to their legal department. DO NOT DO THIS for this kind of situation. I would only even think about that if the car is brand new and under warranty.


Edited by antiqueshell (06/06/14 11:05 PM)

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#3391194 - 06/06/14 11:49 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
dishdude Offline


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Posts: 3238
Loc: Phoenix
[censored] that rag was in there from the factory for 14 years. It would of dissolved to nothing and clogged the pickup long before it had a chance to.

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#3391206 - 06/07/14 12:07 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: DirkDiggler]
moving2 Offline


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Posts: 602
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: DirkDiggler
But make sure of I put old pump into a sealed bag. You need it for evidence


Sounds like some real BTDT advice here. But, playing devil's advocate, I would ask how you can prove the rag was actually in there all that time. GM can claim you cannot prove the rag was in there, implying you planted it there to get something out of them after the fact. I wonder if there exists a way to counter this argument?
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#3391264 - 06/07/14 06:17 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
GMBoy Offline


Registered: 11/22/04
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Let me add some more of my opinion.

Do not call Alicia Bohler-Davis. First you won't be able to reach her anyow. I know her, had the pleasure of working with her for a few years while she was my plant manager. A wonderful woman and very focused on quality - she is the real deal. However - the case of this truck and the rag (which I agree would have dissolved years ago had it came that way new) really belongs to the servicing dealership - not GM. The dealership obviously did some diagnostics and removed or replaced the fuel pump. Dealers are NOT GM employees..they are independently owned businesses. Again - the complaint is with the dealer and what they did.

If you send me your complete VIN I will go into GM records and I can tell you exactly what they did and on what date to your truck. THEN and ONLY then can we know for sure. If it says fuel pump replacement - then there is your proof and you can go address it with the dealer. Obviously this is only good IF they entered the repair but I am for certain they did because if not, GM would not pay them for the work.


So - we can get to the bottom of this if you send me or post here your VIN #.

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#3391274 - 06/07/14 06:38 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: dishdude]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
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Originally Posted By: dishdude
[censored] that rag was in there from the factory for 14 years. It would of dissolved to nothing and clogged the pickup long before it had a chance to.


Looks to me like it was already starting to dissolve. It even had fiber particles inside the pump.
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#3391310 - 06/07/14 08:02 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: dlundblad]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
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Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: dishdude
[censored] that rag was in there from the factory for 14 years. It would of dissolved to nothing and clogged the pickup long before it had a chance to.


Looks to me like it was already starting to dissolve. It even had fiber particles inside the pump.


As you can see much of the rag is intact but it is fragile. However, a lot of it was also single strands loose in the tank and tiny fibers like lint in the strainer. The rag on underside of the pump was like mush, compacted lint, which was smashed against the bottom of the tank. I am surprised most of it was intact too, over the years I have run some powerful doses of cleaners through it trying to improve performance.
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#3391311 - 06/07/14 08:04 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: GMBoy]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Let me add some more of my opinion.

Do not call Alicia Bohler-Davis. First you won't be able to reach her anyow. I know her, had the pleasure of working with her for a few years while she was my plant manager. A wonderful woman and very focused on quality - she is the real deal. However - the case of this truck and the rag (which I agree would have dissolved years ago had it came that way new) really belongs to the servicing dealership - not GM. The dealership obviously did some diagnostics and removed or replaced the fuel pump. Dealers are NOT GM employees..they are independently owned businesses. Again - the complaint is with the dealer and what they did.

If you send me your complete VIN I will go into GM records and I can tell you exactly what they did and on what date to your truck. THEN and ONLY then can we know for sure. If it says fuel pump replacement - then there is your proof and you can go address it with the dealer. Obviously this is only good IF they entered the repair but I am for certain they did because if not, GM would not pay them for the work.


So - we can get to the bottom of this if you send me or post here your VIN #.



I'll PM you the vin when I get home today.
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#3391448 - 06/07/14 12:25 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: GMBoy]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
However - the case of this truck and the rag (which I agree would have dissolved years ago had it came that way new) really belongs to the servicing dealership - not GM. The dealership obviously did some diagnostics and removed or replaced the fuel pump. Dealers are NOT GM employees..they are independently owned businesses. Again - the complaint is with the dealer and what they did.

If you send me your complete VIN I will go into GM records and I can tell you exactly what they did and on what date to your truck. THEN and ONLY then can we know for sure. If it says fuel pump replacement - then there is your proof and you can go address it with the dealer. Obviously this is only good IF they entered the repair but I am for certain they did because if not, GM would not pay them for the work.


So - we can get to the bottom of this if you send me or post here your VIN #.



GMBoy is correct (PM sent BTW). After searching through my old invoices, Bob Stall Chevrolet in La Mesa CA indicated on one occasion that a bad evap. canister contaminated the fuel and was replaced, along with cleaning my fuel tank, flushing the lines, replacing fuel pump and filter. Nowhere does it mention installing a rag. So I guess we have found the real problem, the servicing dealer as GMBoy said. That was in 2002, so the rag has been in there 12 years. I really hope this improves the vehicle performance as I am retiring at the end of the month and selling my commuter vehicle, so this truck will be the daily driver again.
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#3391576 - 06/07/14 04:48 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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Loc: Glen Ellyn, IL
Originally Posted By: another Todd
After searching through my old invoices, Bob Stall Chevrolet in La Mesa CA indicated on one occasion that a bad evap. canister contaminated the fuel and was replaced, along with cleaning my fuel tank, flushing the lines, replacing fuel pump and filter.


Wow! It was on your paperwork the whole time.

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#3391720 - 06/07/14 07:47 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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Interesting why they would say "operating as designed". If you had issues after the tech serviced the fuel system, they should have went back and checked the fuel system again and chalked that up as a comeback issue.

But that's in the past. I'm glad you were able to resolve this and you get to enjoy your truck more.
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#3391763 - 06/07/14 09:10 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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Yep... that [censored] GM plant!
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#3391767 - 06/07/14 09:20 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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Loc: chicago, Illinois
They don't call them "$tealerships" for nothing.

From years of working in the retail part of the new car business there is NO question that the dealership franchise system is a very weak link between the mfr. and the customer. It's a bad system and has never worked well especially for the consumer.

The leading issue is poor management and leadership from the owners. Some really horrid management and ownership in dealer stores.

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#3391937 - 06/08/14 05:02 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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When I was working in my Dad's shop after school, Dad always told me to keep track of the shop rags I was using.

I used to count them before and after I was finished with a customer's car.

One of our commercial accounts was GTE/Sylvania. They brought in a three-wheeled Cushman cart with a seized engine along with a brand new replacement.

During removal of the fan shrouds, I found a red shop rag twisted up in the cooling fan. Man, was I happy that I didn't have to replace that engine. I got to take long lunch that day.

I still keep track of rags when I'm working in my garage.
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#3391966 - 06/08/14 07:25 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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IIRC, Car Craft left a rag in an intake manifold maybe ten years ago. Whoops!
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#3392000 - 06/08/14 08:33 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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So, another "evil GM" story that is directly traced back to a dealer not good at their job. I've lost count of how many of those I've heard.

I have to say, GM corporate appears to be taking customer satisfaction more seriously these days. The few times I've had to take my Cruze in for warranty work, I've been asked by GM corporate to complete a survey on the dealer. Most of the time I've been highly satisfied. The once I wasn't, the service manager called me and asked how they could improve.
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#3392066 - 06/08/14 10:01 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: wag123]
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Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 935
Loc: Kellogg, IA
Originally Posted By: wag123
Was your Silverado a Mexican built truck (the first digit of the VIN will be a 3)?


Is that a negative?

I ordered a 2013 Freightliiner class 8 truck in February 2012. The dealer didn't tell me at the time, but they were keeping their fingers crossed that mine would be built in Mexico and not in N.C.. Well, mine was built in N.C. The dealer had to spend 2.5 weeks making changes and fixing stuff that N.C. did wrong. They told me at that time, they rarely have any of these issues with the trucks assembled in Mexico. Seems Bubba and his buddies at the N.C. plant are more concerned with Monday Night Football, meeting at Hooters for a couple of cold ones, or planning their weekend fishing trips to worry about assembling things right.

Forward to my 2013 Silverado I bought June of 2013. It was assembled in Mexico and I was perfectly comfortable that it was, primarily because of the experience with the semi truck. Guess we'll see over time if Juan and Pedro did a good job on the pickup. Any issues I have had with the pickup thus far are centered around design and not the actual assembly.
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#3392082 - 06/08/14 10:29 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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VIN starting with a 2 means it's Canadian-built.
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#3392185 - 06/08/14 01:11 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: Jarlaxle]
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It really dosn't matter where it's built. GM dosn't make gas tanks, pumps etc.
Who ever supplies them with these tanks are at fault, not GM assembly.

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#3392223 - 06/08/14 02:01 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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Posts: 4938
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I love how everyone jumps on GM when it most likely was a dealer that left the rag.

On another thread a Honda blows its motor and its cool because Honda is covering it....yet it shouldn't have popped in the first place...

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#3392294 - 06/08/14 03:37 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: hattaresguy]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 3928
Loc: chicago, Illinois
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I love how everyone jumps on GM when it most likely was a dealer that left the rag.

On another thread a Honda blows its motor and its cool because Honda is covering it....yet it shouldn't have popped in the first place...


That is because the kool-aid drinkers around here think that because the gov't helped to save the company it automatically makes it a bad company, most of those same people fall all over themselves praising Ford because they didn't take a gov't bailout, yet they do not know that the gov't loaned them a ton of money preceding the GM issue.


The fact is that the current company is making really good products, that are as good as or better than the competition.

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#3392312 - 06/08/14 03:59 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: antiqueshell]
ls1mike Offline


Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 3003
Loc: Bremerton Wa
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I love how everyone jumps on GM when it most likely was a dealer that left the rag.

On another thread a Honda blows its motor and its cool because Honda is covering it....yet it shouldn't have popped in the first place...


That is because the kool-aid drinkers around here think that because the gov't helped to save the company it automatically makes it a bad company, most of those same people fall all over themselves praising Ford because they didn't take a gov't bailout, yet they do not know that the gov't loaned them a ton of money preceding the GM issue.


The fact is that the current company is making really good products, that are as good as or better than the competition.

Never ceases to amaze me as I typically only drive GM stuff and have not had a 1/4 of the problems people on here complain about. No electrical stuff, and aside from the LIM gaskets problems on the 3800 no big issues unless I blew up a transmission myself.
I might add when I had my 98 Z28 I broke the rear end on a hard launch at the track. Car was taken to the local Chevy dealer on a flat bed with the dial still on the windshield, my Car Club Challenge number still all over it, and rubber all over the wheel wells. Service writer asked "Tough day at the track?" Me "Yes indeed". Covered the complete repair under factory warranty, didn't have to but they did.
But such is the status at BITOG. I stay out of the threads about Honda, Nissan, Toyota etc etc. Don't like bashing. I will however speak up about TDI's and the service I received from VW, which is not always the same for others.
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#3392353 - 06/08/14 05:17 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: antiqueshell]
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Registered: 09/20/12
Posts: 291
Loc: Missouri (MO)
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
That is because the kool-aid drinkers around here think that because the gov't helped to save the company it automatically makes it a bad company, most of those same people fall all over themselves praising Ford because they didn't take a gov't bailout, yet they do not know that the gov't loaned them a ton of money preceding the GM issue.


The fact is that the current company is making really good products, that are as good as or better than the competition.


Yeah, it must be the bailout, because it certainly couldn't be the problems they ignored or covered up.

BTW, a conspiracy nutjob such as yourself calling others kool-aid drinkers is the height of irony.

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#3392751 - 06/09/14 07:10 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: ls1mike]
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Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 14448
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
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Never ceases to amaze me as I typically only drive GM stuff and have not had a 1/4 of the problems people on here complain about. No electrical stuff, and aside from the LIM gaskets problems on the 3800 no big issues unless I blew up a transmission myself.
I might add when I had my 98 Z28 I broke the rear end on a hard launch at the track. Car was taken to the local Chevy dealer on a flat bed with the dial still on the windshield, my Car Club Challenge number still all over it, and rubber all over the wheel wells. Service writer asked "Tough day at the track?" Me "Yes indeed". Covered the complete repair under factory warranty, didn't have to but they did.
But such is the status at BITOG. I stay out of the threads about Honda, Nissan, Toyota etc etc. Don't like bashing. I will however speak up about TDI's and the service I received from VW, which is not always the same for others.



A well reasoned post from a straight up guy without an agenda.

Stealerships have EARNED the title. Across over 40 years of personal driving and fleet ownership I can attest that actual vehicle problems are quite few and the Dealer could easily fix most of them quickly and have far more happy clients.

They just don't.

Not all of them are bad, but in my area it can be quite difficult to finda decent one...
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#3392827 - 06/09/14 08:36 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: ls1mike]
KitaCam Offline


Registered: 11/16/12
Posts: 1484
Loc: SunnySouthFlorida
Originally Posted By: ls1mike

Never ceases to amaze me as I typically only drive GM stuff and have not had a 1/4 of the problems people on here complain about. No electrical stuff, and aside from the LIM gaskets problems on the 3800 no big issues unless I blew up a transmission myself.
I might add when I had my 98 Z28 I broke the rear end on a hard launch at the track. Car was taken to the local Chevy dealer on a flat bed with the dial still on the windshield, my Car Club Challenge number still all over it, and rubber all over the wheel wells. Service writer asked "Tough day at the track?" Me "Yes indeed". Covered the complete repair under factory warranty, didn't have to but they did.
But such is the status at BITOG. I stay out of the threads about Honda, Nissan, Toyota etc etc. Don't like bashing. I will however speak up about TDI's and the service I received from VW, which is not always the same for others.


This surprises me that they'd repair under warranty a car sold as a passenger daily driver that had been used for tracking.


Edited by KitaCam (06/09/14 08:37 AM)
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#3392895 - 06/09/14 09:59 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
Silverado12 Offline


Registered: 02/26/13
Posts: 671
Loc: Central Virginia
Originally Posted By: another Todd
Originally Posted By: wag123
Was your Silverado a Mexican built truck (the first digit of the VIN will be a 3)?


No. First digit is a 2.


Didn't have time to read all the posts, and sorry if this has been mentioned, but your truck was assembled in Canada. Has the truck been ok other than that? I've had very good service from GM and Chrysler products.
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#3392898 - 06/09/14 10:03 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 3003
Loc: Bremerton Wa
Not sure why, they have always treated me well, good dealership and buy my GM stuff from them. I bought my 96 Z28 from them my 98 Z28 and my 01 Z28 from them as well. They are not stupid, they know when a Z28 leaves the lot it is going to be driven a lot different then say a run of the mill Impala or Camary yet they still warranty it. Lot depends on the dealership and how well you treat EACH other.
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#3392900 - 06/09/14 10:07 AM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
KitaCam Offline


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Posts: 1484
Loc: SunnySouthFlorida
That's great...really lucky for ya....
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#3393059 - 06/09/14 01:53 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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I never could say anything bad mechanically about the GM cars I've own. Heck Saturn's were the best.

The only reason I worried about my past Envoy was the electrical issues I started to hear about. Of course that doesn't mean I would have had said issues but fear is a powerful motivator.
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#3393283 - 06/09/14 06:30 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: ls1mike]
Jarlaxle Offline


Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 3873
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I love how everyone jumps on GM when it most likely was a dealer that left the rag.

On another thread a Honda blows its motor and its cool because Honda is covering it....yet it shouldn't have popped in the first place...


That is because the kool-aid drinkers around here think that because the gov't helped to save the company it automatically makes it a bad company, most of those same people fall all over themselves praising Ford because they didn't take a gov't bailout, yet they do not know that the gov't loaned them a ton of money preceding the GM issue.


The fact is that the current company is making really good products, that are as good as or better than the competition.

Never ceases to amaze me as I typically only drive GM stuff and have not had a 1/4 of the problems people on here complain about. No electrical stuff, and aside from the LIM gaskets problems on the 3800 no big issues unless I blew up a transmission myself.
I might add when I had my 98 Z28 I broke the rear end on a hard launch at the track. Car was taken to the local Chevy dealer on a flat bed with the dial still on the windshield, my Car Club Challenge number still all over it, and rubber all over the wheel wells. Service writer asked "Tough day at the track?" Me "Yes indeed". Covered the complete repair under factory warranty, didn't have to but they did.
But such is the status at BITOG. I stay out of the threads about Honda, Nissan, Toyota etc etc. Don't like bashing. I will however speak up about TDI's and the service I received from VW, which is not always the same for others.


No, it's because I have way too much experience with the GARBAGE that GM foisted upon the public for 20+ years! The 1982-2002 F-cars all getting the dreadful Vega-refugee 7.625" toothpick rear axle (weaker than what Dodge put in a 4-banger Dakota!) is one of the things that qualifies as such.
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#3393342 - 06/09/14 07:12 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
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I'm with ls1mike

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#3393973 - 06/10/14 12:46 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: mmavet]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: mmavet
If you removed the box,it's the only wire that connects near the filler tube.


Cleaned that off (removed, de-greased frame, sanded frame and wire eyelet). It was pretty gunky. Thanks for the tip.
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#3393983 - 06/10/14 12:58 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: Silverado12]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: another Todd
Originally Posted By: wag123
Was your Silverado a Mexican built truck (the first digit of the VIN will be a 3)?


No. First digit is a 2.


Didn't have time to read all the posts, and sorry if this has been mentioned, but your truck was assembled in Canada. Has the truck been ok other than that? I've had very good service from GM and Chrysler products.


This truck IMO had way too many issues. Some of the parts replaced or repaired under warranty include: Power steering rack, driveshaft, fuel pump (yes, as it turns out it was changed by the dealer), emmisions canister, 2 fuel injectors, several 1/4 windows, radio and more. I attribute none of this to assembly issues. I have had other vehicles (different brands) that had zero warranty issues.


Edited by another Todd (06/10/14 01:02 PM)
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#3393986 - 06/10/14 12:59 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
another Todd Offline


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In case anybody missed it, it turned out the fuel pump was not the factory pump as it had been replaced by the dealership during one of the many repairs.
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#3393998 - 06/10/14 01:16 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: ls1mike]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Not sure why, they have always treated me well, good dealership and buy my GM stuff from them. I bought my 96 Z28 from them my 98 Z28 and my 01 Z28 from them as well. They are not stupid, they know when a Z28 leaves the lot it is going to be driven a lot different then say a run of the mill Impala or Camary yet they still warranty it. Lot depends on the dealership and how well you treat EACH other.


I agree, however, here in the So. Cal rat-race, the attitudes are different than other parts of the country. Many people don't care about anything other than getting those dollars in their pocket. Finding a good dealership is very difficult. Fortunately, other than warranty work, I do all my own repairs and maintenance, with a little help now and then from this forum and some trusted friends.
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#3394033 - 06/10/14 02:01 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
mcrn Offline


Registered: 11/30/05
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So hows the truck running now?

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#3394049 - 06/10/14 02:21 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: mcrn]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
Originally Posted By: mcrn
So hows the truck running now?


The truck does pull a littler harder up long grades (empty), nothing too dramatic though. The real test will be next time I'm moderately loaded or tow a trailer up a long grade. Prior to FP change every time I would tow a trailer (14' flatbed with dirt bikes) up a long grade the check engine light would come on and it would go into limp home mode. And I mean every time. I sold the desert toys, so I rarely tow anything anymore, so it may be a while, but for now it is running good.
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#3418754 - 07/08/14 08:18 PM Re: Removed factory fuel pump today---shocking [Re: another Todd]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 1631
Loc: Southern CA
So now I have been driving it for about three weeks as my DD. It definitely runs better, pulls harder, and when it shifts it continues to pull hard. It used to bog a little when it shifted in the upper gears when I was getting on it, and occasionally even unloaded it would shut down and go into limp mode...no more, it's fun to drive again. Now I am thinking I probably didn't need to change out the 3.73, and put in 4.56 like I did because it had become such a dog, I just needed to get the rag off the fuel pump.
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