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#3390222 - 06/05/14 10:19 PM Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
I have a question to ask of the oil gurus here. I just purchased a Genuine Stella 4T scooter. It's like a Vespa P-Series, but with a 4 stroke engined shoehorned under the cowls. Shared engine/transmission sump, wet clutch, air-cooled. I need some advice on what oil to use. Owners manual and service manual both say to use a 20w40 "multigrade of reputed make", oil fillcap/dipstick on the bike says 20w50. I believe the dealer used conventional Motul 20w50, I drained and filled at 150mi with Valvoline MC 20w50. I'm coming up on the 500mi oil change, then another at 1500mi and every 2000mi after that. I purchased 5qts of Mobil 1 15w50 at Walmart, should that be good for the bike? I was just reading a thread about a guy using it in his racing quad with good results. Or I was thinking could try Rotella T synthetic, would a 40 weight be fine? It's only 150cc, pushing perhaps 8-9 BHP. Stock jetting on the carb is a little on the lean side, thinking of rejetting the carb.
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#3390249 - 06/05/14 11:32 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
901Memphis Offline


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Mobil 1 15w50 is perfect, use it with confidence!
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#3390250 - 06/05/14 11:33 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
29662 Offline


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Loc: sc/fl
The mobil 15w-50 or the T6 should both adequately protect the engine without any issues. Flip a coin. I use T6 in my bike with no issues.

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#3390378 - 06/06/14 06:30 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
Jarlaxle Offline


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Loc: New England
Is M1 suitable for a wet clutch?

And hey, another scooter rider! smile
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#3390403 - 06/06/14 07:00 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
Phishin Offline


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You'll do fine with M1 15w50. No problem. If you are close to a Napa, see if they can order you some M1 5w50. Many Napa warehouses still have this product in stock. But you'll be fine with 15w50.

I'm a scooter ride. Big time. Never ran a "shift" scooter though. Maybe with the manual transmission, you'll stay in lower RPM's more than a traditional scooter. But my 50cc, 150cc, and 250cc scooters engine's spin high RPM's all the time. That's the nature of a CVT transmission in a low power scooter.

Therefore, I change my oil every 600-700 miles in my 50cc, and every 1000 miles in everything else. The oil just get beat to death and quickly shears out of grade.
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#3390718 - 06/06/14 01:42 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Palmyra, PA
I was researching the Stella 4T prior to buying my last Buddy 125 (recently traded on a Suzuki GZ250) and I believe there is a cartridge-type oil filter that needs to be replaced, but not sure where it exactly lives in the crankcase (I believe it is tucked in on the right side behind the rear wheel...you might have to have the wheel removed to change the filter; if so, a [censored] poor place to put it);

as far as oil goes...not sure; if you don't plan on beating the balls off of it with lots of wide open throttle riding, then a conventional 20w-50 motorcycle oil might do you well; I believe Mystik has a 15w-50 synthetic-blend heavy duty engine oil that might cost less than Mobil 1 15w-50;

whatever you choose...good luck and many miles of trouble-free riding
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#3390829 - 06/06/14 03:51 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
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Loc: Palmyra, PA
*** oil filter info ***
listed in the service schedule, but I can't find any mention of replacing it on page 26 (engine oil replacement) of the service manual:

http://iheartstella.com/resources/manuals/stella-4t-service-station-manual.pdf

but the filter does exist:

http://www.scooterworks.com/oil-filter--cartridge---genuine-stella-4-stroke-products-12491.php

talk to your dealer/shop about the oil filter replacement...might be something they engineered specifically for importation into the U.S.
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#3391134 - 06/06/14 10:13 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
I know where the oil filter is and, yes, it does require rear wheel removal. The air filter requires removing the lower rear shock bolt. I think the problem is they put a 4 stroke into a chassis designed for a much smaller 2 stroke. My commute to college and anywhere else is mostly 50+ MPH roads, so I will need a pretty shear and heat stable oil even with the low 2000 mi OCI. I just saw the Mystic syn-blend 15w50 in the Fleet Farm ad today, $28.99 for a 5 gallon pail after rebate. Also saw Walmart now carries SuperTech conv 20w50.
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#3391182 - 06/06/14 11:27 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
Should also mention like most small single cylinders, it's cold blooded, would dropping down to a 5-15winter oil or synthetic help some?
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#3391214 - 06/07/14 12:40 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Palmyra, PA
the lower the number before the W in a multigrade oil the 'thinner' the oil and the 'quicker' the oil will flow at ambient temperatures; on the same token the further the spread between the 2 numbers in a multigrade oil the more the polymers have to stretch to maintain viscosity & the more shear prone the oil is (eg: a 5w-50 oil will shear easier than a 15w-50; a 15w-50 oil will shear more easily than a 20w-50 oil); as far as synthetics go...the rule of thumb is synthetics will flow more easily at low temps and offer more consistent protection at higher temperatures, but conventional oils of today are much better than in past decades, so the 'value' of synthetic over conventional lies in the mind of the user...

personally, with an OCI of only 1500-2000 miles I feel paying for a straight synthetic oil is a waste since it gets dumped long before the oil reaches the end of its useful life...


Edited by kmrcstintn (06/07/14 12:42 AM)
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#3391283 - 06/07/14 06:57 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
Jarlaxle Offline


Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 3929
Loc: New England
I would agree...except an air cooled scoot will run extremely hot.
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#3391841 - 06/07/14 11:12 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
Stopped into Walmart to see if they had wheelbarrow tubes/tires because Fleet Farm was closed. Found three qts of QS Defy 10w40 on clearance. Thought I could use it in my two lawnmowers which are both 30wt spec'ed but really liked when I tossed in some thicker oil last year, both are close to 10 years old. Should I try some of the Defy for this next shorter 1000mi OCI and save the Mobil 1 15w50 for the full 2000mi OCI?
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#3392047 - 06/08/14 09:40 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Palmyra, PA
stopped by BMA Cycles in Bainbridge, PA (local Genuine dealer) to get my Honda Shadow inspected and asked their tech what they're using in the Stella 4T's coming back in for service...

dependent on what the customer wants...

synthetic...Amsoil 10w-40 Scooter Oil

conventional...Castrol GTX 10w-40 passenger car motor oil (they've been using Castrol GTX pcmo in scooters & motorcycles for years without incident); they also sell Maxima conventional motorcycle oil which would be my choice (from their selection) for conventional oil in a scooter which has higher amounts of additives for wear protection, cleaning, corrosion protection, and negating acid effects

I'm gonna widen this conversation a bit...for wet clutch applications avoid any oil that has the API starburst symbol and phrases 'energy conserving' or 'resource conserving' which have antifriction ingredients that might contribute to clutch slippage; following this advice opens riders up to a wider selection of oils to choose from (40 & 50 wt car oils, 30, 40 & 50 wt heavy duty engine oils, scooter oils, motorcycle oils)

I'll confess that even though I have a stash of Spectrto conventional motorcycle oil (clearance sale at Cycle Gear), I am currently using SuperTech 15w-40 in my Suzuki GZ250 and a witch's brew (various leftover 10w-40 motorcycle oils, 15w-40 oils, and a bit of 10w-40 car oils) in my Honda Shadow for short run OCI's for 'flushing' purposes; both bikes are running and shifting well...

if it were me, use the Defy for your next OCI (consider it the tail end of your break-in period) and switch to the Mobil 1 after that...I was just trying to let you know there are lots of choices (some very expensive) and many riders successfully use conventional or synthetic blend oils; one example is Shell Rotella T 15w-40 conventional which carries JASO-MA rating for motorcycle wet clutch applications (usually less than $4.00 per quart) that rivals many more expensive motorcycle/scooter oils

good luck and many miles of trouble-free riding!!!


Edited by kmrcstintn (06/08/14 09:43 AM)
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#3392242 - 06/08/14 02:23 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
After thinking about it and reading some, probably going to skip the Defy, it doesn't strike me as a "heavy duty" oil, and go with a qt of HDEO for this oil change or maybe ST 20w50. The Defy will go into the lawn equipment.

If you're having good luck with ST 15w40 (HDEO, I assume?) in your Suzuki, that means it's a pretty good option. The GZ250 is probably harder on oil than the Stella, true air-cooled vs forced air-cooled.

Hopefully using Hiflo filters rather than the OEM doesn't void my warranty. The Hiflos I got on ebay for 5/$15 with free shipping, vs. $7.99 plus shipping for an OEM (which look like [censored]).


Edited by NeuroticHapiSnak (06/08/14 02:26 PM)
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#3392556 - 06/08/14 09:15 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Palmyra, PA
my Honda, previous Yamaha VStar 650, and virtually every 4t scooter I've had got HiFlo Filtro's; would be using them on the Suzuki, but my shop didn't have any; for now it has a Suzuki brand filter with K&N 136's to follow...

HDEO's are a great alternative to traditional motorcycle oils (great protection & often cost less); I'd run HDEO in my Honda, but it seems to shift better with 10w-40 motorcycle oil


Edited by kmrcstintn (06/08/14 09:23 PM)
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#3392600 - 06/08/14 10:07 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
Well, doesn't matter for now. Replaced the filter and went to torque on the cover nuts. Set my torque wrench to the 1.1 Kg-M specified, started wrenching...and the stud turned with the nut. Tried all four and the same thing. How does all four studs strip out? Improperly manufactured studs? Wrong size pilot hole? Factory stripped them out? Never leaked oil, either, cover and gasket were on tight and all four nuts came off with no problem. Bringing it in first thing in the morning.
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#3393237 - 06/09/14 05:44 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Palmyra, PA
I had hoped that LML (the manufacturer in India that makes the Stella) improved their quality control/quality assurance; I had a 2009 Stella 2T that was plagued with multiple minor issues (electrical -- pinched wires, blown fuses, electrical components grounding out on body panels; leaks -- 2T oil & transmission oil) that had me feeling unsure of the reliability (I'm not extremely mechanically inclined & lack patience for repetitive problems)...I let it fly the coop to regain my sanity;

hope yours doesn't have continuous issues...
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#3393393 - 06/09/14 08:04 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
I actually have a nagging suspicion that it was the dealership when they prepped the scooter. I don't think LML ships them over with filters or oil, and the dealer definitely changed the oil before I picked it up, the drain plug and bottom of the crankcase was slick with oil. Other than this, I haven't had a problem with the bike, it seems to be good quality and the dealer seems to have prepped it well (other than the stripped studs) and they have a good reputation in the scooter industry. They are a Vespa/Piaggio, Genuine, and Kymco dealer, all three big brands. The 4T also, from what I've been reading has not had nearly as many issues as the 2T did. Also, many of the problems with the 2T could have been dealer related, the scooters are shipped in pieces to the dealer and they assemble them. New dealers or those unfamiliar with the Vespa/P/PX/Stella design. Many of the wiring/electrical problems were related to the routing of wiring, wires pinching or rubbing, etc...


Edited by NeuroticHapiSnak (06/09/14 08:14 PM)
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#3394743 - 06/11/14 11:06 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
Cardenio327 Offline


Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 476
Loc: Oaxaca, Mexico
Originally Posted By: NeuroticHapiSnak
Well, doesn't matter for now. Replaced the filter and went to torque on the cover nuts. Set my torque wrench to the 1.1 Kg-M specified, started wrenching...and the stud turned with the nut. Tried all four and the same thing. How does all four studs strip out? Improperly manufactured studs? Wrong size pilot hole? Factory stripped them out? Never leaked oil, either, cover and gasket were on tight and all four nuts came off with no problem. Bringing it in first thing in the morning.


I'm a big proponent of the use of the torque wrench, BUT...

...on my Honda motorcycles I've learned that any fastener that is anywhere near aluminum must be tightened by feel. The torque specs in the repair manual are way too tight and will often result in stretching or stripping threads. I do torque all the suspension fasteners to spec with a torque wrench.
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#3394821 - 06/11/14 01:36 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Palmyra, PA
good luck with the warranty repairs; have fun experimenting with different oils (part of the adventure of doing service/maintenance DIY); hope you get great service from your dealer and this is the only moderate/major issue that you encounter...
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#3396928 - 06/13/14 07:43 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
Update: I got sick of waiting and after reading the warranty certificate, realized they most likely will not cover it. So I went out and tried to get the nuts off of the studs. Two I got off with a little finagling, two refused to come off. Turns out the threads on the studs stripped where the nut threads on, not the threads in the crankcase. I managed to get the last two nuts off by dremeling and cracking them. Same thing, the threads on the studs stripped where the nut was. Have no idea how to get the studs out now to replace them. Service manager said they were threaded in, so they probably are red loctited in, so that means heat. Parts diagram doesn't show this are in detail so I have no idea. Replacing the studs would most likely require removing the clutch cover. Thinking of just bringing it in to the dealer to have them replace the stud, since I'm afraid of screwing something up.


Edited by NeuroticHapiSnak (06/13/14 07:45 PM)
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#3396994 - 06/13/14 09:23 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Palmyra, PA
this can get complicated...

parts might or might not be covered by warranty (the dealer should be able to get replacements under warranty since they technically are defective); the labor costs might be what bites you in the butt (this is usually a dealer's 'bread-n-butter' for making money)...Genuine wants the dealer to do the first service and I'm not sure what leeway your dealer has with covering labor under a warranty claim in this instance;

I've been in similar circumstances with doing my own detailed maintenance on firearms and getting in over my head...had to make the same call and let an expert handle the stuff beyond my abilities, so don't feel bad by coming to the same conclusion about taking the scooter to the dealer; I just hope they understand your intentions and somehow get the work done under warranty...

before I forget...here is a good source of info for you:

http://www.modernbuddy.com/forum/index.html

there is a section dedicated to the Stellas...


Edited by kmrcstintn (06/13/14 09:28 PM)
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#3397889 - 06/15/14 02:43 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
I got the studs out and replaced them without removing the clutch cover. It was a B, though. I had to use a pair of needle nose vise grips and turn out each stud a few degrees at a time. They were red loctited so I had to use a liberal amount of heat to dissolve the loctite and the vise grips didn't always bite into the stud. After a few hours, many hand cramps and break times later, I had the studs out. Putting the new ones on was a breeze. Still have the rear wheel off and the rear up on a piece of 2x4, waiting overnight to see if any oil leaks. Still considering bringing it to the dealer for the 500 mi service, since they know what best to look for and to have them look over my work.
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#3400262 - 06/18/14 01:06 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
Just measured the temp of the oil after a good run that included a 5 mile WOT highway jaunt just before home, 219.5*F. A couple other times I measured oil temp it was around 198*F I was expecting higher than that, that's probably what my car's oil temps are (the Yaris' normal operating coolant temp is 180-190*F, so I'd expect oil temps to be slightly higher). FYI, current fill is Resolute 20w50 "Race Oil", no weird noises, engine seems to run and the transmission shifts just as well on this as the Valvoline 20w50 MC I had in it before. I bought the Resolute because it was on sale for $1.99/qt and I wanted some oil in the sump while towing back and forth from the dealer, but didn't want to waste the M1 15w50 in case they had to drain it when the fixed it. Since I managed to fix it without opening the crankcase and I just wanted to ride without having to change oil first, I left it in.
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#3400733 - 06/18/14 04:29 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


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Loc: Palmyra, PA
glad to hear the machine is back together and back on the road...

don't take this the wrong way...now that it's running, please let the dealer do the REAL 500-mile service; having receipts showing them doing the service should allow you to keep the warranty (and ask them to Red loctite the studs if you didn't do it already); ask them nicely if you can watch how to change the filter (they might have a 'trick' to break the seal of the cap nuts from the studs without the threads stripping)...

good luck and enjoy your machine! I miss the styling of my previous Stella and I might snag one down the road...


Edited by kmrcstintn (06/18/14 04:32 PM)
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#3401173 - 06/19/14 04:04 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


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Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
There are rumors of a Stella 200 coming in 2015, though no solid facts.

You know, had I not been set on the Stella, I might have bought a GZ250, I love those little Japanese standard bikes like the Honda CB.
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#3401438 - 06/19/14 11:40 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
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According to the Magnuson-Moss warranty Act they cannot force you to let them do the first service in order to keep the warranty.

"Tie-In Sales" Provisions
Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.


In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.

While you cannot use a tie-in sales provision, your warranty need not cover use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for your product. The following is an example of a permissible provision that excludes coverage of such things.


While necessary maintenance or repairs on your AudioMundo Stereo System can be performed by any company, we recommend that you use only authorized AudioMundo dealers. Improper or incorrectly performed maintenance or repair voids this warranty.

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#3401490 - 06/19/14 12:46 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
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Registered: 05/11/06
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Loc: Palmyra, PA
Originally Posted By: NeuroticHapiSnak
There are rumors of a Stella 200 coming in 2015, though no solid facts.

You know, had I not been set on the Stella, I might have bought a GZ250, I love those little Japanese standard bikes like the Honda CB.


been in both corrals in the past...like the Stella styling, but not the 'hit or miss' reliability of the '09 Stella 2T I had; had a GZ250 for a short while in 2012...convinced myself that I wanted my scooter back, so the shop reversed the deal, kept $300, and I got my '09 Buddy 125 and most of my money back; lately I've been missing a 'small bike' and didn't find any Honda Rebel 250's or Yamaha V Stars or Virago 250's that I could afford at a local dealer (needed my '13 Buddy 125 as trade collateral to make the deal work) and found my latest GZ250; it lacks in some areas and shines in others...basically it is a small displacement bike that gets me from place to place with a more steady ride than a scooter with 10" wheels!
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#3404647 - 06/23/14 03:32 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
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Neuro: I think you're overworrying the oil thing. Rotella T 15-40 has been upgraded to MA2 and when WX gets cold go with Rotella T6 5-40...also MA2. Two hard to beat oils.
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#3405187 - 06/24/14 03:56 AM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
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Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
I actually picked up 2 gallons of T5 15w-40 onsale for $12.99.

I was hoping this scooter wasn't too hard on oil but checking the oil today, the Resolute 20w50 seemed a little thin at room temp, it never dripped off the dipstick cold when it was new. Felt a little between my fingers and it felt more like the 5w30 I use in my car than the fresh 20w50s I've used. Maybe Resolute 20w50 just isn't very shear stable in a shared sump. Only 400mi on the oil, but it was only $2/qt, so I guess it won't be too much of a loss to dump it.


Edited by NeuroticHapiSnak (06/24/14 03:58 AM)
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#3407645 - 06/26/14 01:48 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
kmrcstintn Offline


Registered: 05/11/06
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Loc: Palmyra, PA
nothing wrong with a low mileage OCI for 'flushing' reasons; hope the T5 works out for you...
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#3407896 - 06/26/14 07:43 PM Re: Oil for a Genuine Stella 4T [Re: NeuroticHapiSnak]
NeuroticHapiSnak Offline


Registered: 06/04/14
Posts: 40
Loc: Minnesota
Yeah, it seemed a little thin at temp, like maybe it dropped to a 40wt, but it was super thin at room temp, nowhere near as thick as a fresh 20w-50. Changed out to T5, a lot smooth and less clunky (There is no such thing as a not clunky Vespa gearbox, it's just part of the design.) shifting, better than the Resolute new. come to think of it, I did notice the shift quality start to get worse on the Resolute. Thought it might be because I started to shift quicker and at higher RPM as I got more used to the scooter. But the T5 gives the same quality shift no matter how quick you shift or at what RPM.

Also, what oil temps would be considered safe? Today I saw 222.5*F after fighting through a head wind at WOT.
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