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#3390175 - 06/05/14 09:21 PM 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5
Fraser434 Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
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Loc: Chicago
Rotella T5 10W30 with half bottle 8oz of liquimoly MOS2. 4,000 miles.

Still breaking in. Taking another sample soon from T5 with no moly added, 4,000 miles.

http://www.jeepgarage.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=40620&d=1401752412


Edited by Fraser434 (06/05/14 09:24 PM)

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#3390177 - 06/05/14 09:24 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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#3390189 - 06/05/14 09:40 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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#3390190 - 06/05/14 09:41 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
Fraser434 Offline


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Loc: Chicago
Fixed!

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#3390204 - 06/05/14 10:01 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Not that I put much stock in wear metal counts but isn't that really low for an engine that's just breaking in.
We've seen iron counts of from 50-100 ppm on breaking on engines.
I wouldn't have used any mos2 til 10000 miles just to insure proper break in however by the looks of this and how low wear metals are I wonder in its hindered anything.
Thanks for posting.

Is this the same Diesel engine going into the ram trucks. If this is any indication they should be a long lived unit mechanically.
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#3390232 - 06/05/14 10:43 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Clevy]
Fraser434 Offline


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Loc: Chicago
same engine as the ram 1500, and maserati Ghibli (UK version).

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#3390235 - 06/05/14 10:50 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Originally Posted By: Fraser434
same engine as the ram 1500, and maserati Ghibli (UK version).



Thank you
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#3390262 - 06/05/14 11:55 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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I thought Diesel engine can go WAY longer between oil changes? I have seen some uoa with 20k and plenty of life left with low wear metals
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#3390266 - 06/05/14 11:59 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
Fraser434 Offline


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Course it can, but i'll do short OCI's while its still breaking in. I drive 3000 miles per month, we'll get there.

Other issue is low SAPS oil, I don't trust it enough yet to stretch out an OCI. Some TDI VW/BMW i've seen had 100+ ppm iron after 10k miles, thats bad.


Edited by Fraser434 (06/06/14 12:02 AM)

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#3391593 - 06/07/14 05:10 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Registered: 11/04/08
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Loc: GA
Fraser, I've been watching your Ecodiesel posts for the past couple months. I have one also. Why did you choose T5 instead of T6?

I tow a 7400lb 24' enclosed trailer with my Ram. The towing capacity of my truck is 7800lb per it's VIN so I'm pretty close to it's rated capacity. On my first roadtrip 220mi each way, oil temp hit 240deg. Since that's higher then I'm used to in a car, I got to thinking along the lines of full synthetic. Why did you choose a synthetic blend instead?

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#3391783 - 06/07/14 09:48 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
Fraser434 Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
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Loc: Chicago
I prefer oils with less VI improvers, 10W30 doesn't need much, i'm finding engines burn oil typically at start up with thinner oil. I'd like the oil to be within the 30 weight viscosity, doesn't appear to need over 12cSt@100c. Later this summer i'll try Schaffer SAE30 oil.

Far as difference between T5 and T6, they call Synthetic, however I believe T6 is just a group III hydrocracked dino oil. In fall i'll try T6 when it drops below 32F.

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#3392691 - 06/09/14 04:41 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: RangerGress]
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Originally Posted By: RangerGress
I tow a 7400lb 24' enclosed trailer with my Ram. The towing capacity of my truck is 7800lb per it's VIN so I'm pretty close to it's rated capacity. On my first roadtrip 220mi each way, oil temp hit 240deg. Since that's higher then I'm used to in a car, I got to thinking along the lines of full synthetic.



240 degF is not too hot, even for a conventional lube; you don't "need" a syn if that is typical for your conditions. When GM did their infamous "filter" study, they held the temp at 250F for the entirety of the testing. I would get concerned if you saw sustained temps over 275F. I would not worry in the least bit if 240"ish" or less is what you're seeing.
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#3395384 - 06/12/14 07:26 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Quote:
Later this summer i'll try Schaffer SAE30 oil


SO, you dumped the factory fill at 3000 miles if I read the report correctly?

The Ram 1500 Ecodiesel is rated to go 10k miles between oil changes. The cartridge-style oil filter for the Ram is like $60 from the dealer.

How about the Schaeffer Supreme 7000™ Synthetic Plus Engine Oil SAE 10W-30
or the Supreme 9000 in 5w-30?

I use the 7000 20w-50 in my Harley and like it a lot.


Edited by rossn2 (06/12/14 07:33 AM)
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#3399455 - 06/17/14 01:07 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: rossn2]
Fraser434 Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 71
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: rossn2
Quote:
Later this summer i'll try Schaffer SAE30 oil


SO, you dumped the factory fill at 3000 miles if I read the report correctly?

The Ram 1500 Ecodiesel is rated to go 10k miles between oil changes. The cartridge-style oil filter for the Ram is like $60 from the dealer.



Yes dumped at 3000. I'd rather dump the factory oil early.

With Non Bio Diesel they say 10k; B5-B20 8k miles for OCI

Every diesel pump i've seen in the midwest says it could be up to B20, so realistically the EcoDiesel should be 8k OCI.


Edited by Fraser434 (06/17/14 01:08 AM)

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#3406594 - 06/25/14 01:22 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Registered: 12/12/06
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Loc: Texas, USA
So, you are still in the warranty period and you choose to ignore Chrysler's MS-11106 specified oils.

Only two oils are currently spec'd - both 5w30 - Pennzoil Ultra Euro L and Mobil1 ESP. I hope you do not experience any internal issues with your turbo motor!
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#3406609 - 06/25/14 01:47 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: philbytx]
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+1

Originally Posted By: philbytx
So, you are still in the warranty period and you choose to ignore Chrysler's MS-11106 specified oils.

Only two oils are currently spec'd - both 5w30 - Pennzoil Ultra Euro L and Mobil1 ESP.
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#3409667 - 06/28/14 11:33 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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I'd use the Mobil 1 ESP for 8k
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#3409676 - 06/28/14 11:53 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: philbytx]
Fraser434 Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 71
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: philbytx
So, you are still in the warranty period and you choose to ignore Chrysler's MS-11106 specified oils.

Only two oils are currently spec'd - both 5w30 - Pennzoil Ultra Euro L and Mobil1 ESP. I hope you do not experience any internal issues with your turbo motor!



Then I guess you would be happy to hear it has Euro L in it now, free LOF from the dealer. I'll run it 8k then have it analyzed.

FYI, when Chrysler was with Daimler, the Chrysler MS-11106 was listed as in parenthesis MB 229.51. So it's not some exclusive spec, just another label for 229.51. Once Daimler split any reference to an MB spec was removed.

Euro L or 229.51 oils are more about protecting the exhaust after treatment then the engine. So I'm not worried about running Rotella for the engines sake, its questionable if it will contaminate the DPF quicker, hope that makes sense for you?


Edited by Fraser434 (06/28/14 11:54 PM)

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#3409983 - 06/29/14 12:18 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Thanks for the report, looks great.

your not alone... I'm not sure if I could force myself to use anything other than Rotella T5 or T6. Such fantastic lubes.
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#3410493 - 06/29/14 11:38 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
Fraser434 Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 71
Loc: Chicago
FYI see attached pic, this is from an older Daimler parts book


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#3411734 - 07/01/14 02:01 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Registered: 01/27/11
Posts: 2801
Loc: usa
Selenia Multipower C3 (Fiat Lubrificanti)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability European L
Pennzoil Platinum European Ultra Diesel
eni i-Sint MS 5W30
Shell Helix Ultra Extra
Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200
Castrol Magnatec 5W30 C3
Total Quartz Ineo MC3
Motul 8100 X-clean C3
Volvoline Synpower MST 5W30
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W30

That would be Fiat 9.55535-S3 and ACEA C3. Pick one.

"The FIAT 9.55535-S1 performance level imposes the engine oil to be both ACEA C2 and 5W-30" (Quote Motul), so they are a fuel economy oil with a lower HTHS of <2.9. -S3 is the heavy duty variant with a HTHS <3.5.


Edited by tommygunn (07/01/14 02:07 PM)

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#3421149 - 07/10/14 07:35 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Registered: 07/02/14
Posts: 4
Loc: WI
I do not have access to either the Chrysler or the MB spec but if they are truly the same I find it strange that the Amsoil technical department emailed me that their MB spec qualified oil does not meet the Chrysler MS 11106 spec but they are working on one and expect to have it available soon. I suppose they could just be qualifying the existing oil against the Chrysler spec but they way the email was worded it sounded like it would be a different or modified oil.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

All the best,

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#3422333 - 07/12/14 03:26 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Is this FIAT VM engine in your Jeep? I'm quite interested in this motor because it will find way in most of the Fiat Group cars here. It will probably replace 2.4 inline 5 if it's compact enough.


Edited by chrisri (07/12/14 03:27 AM)
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#3507955 - 10/11/14 09:02 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Fraser434-
Any updates to your UOA? I'm interested to know how the Shell Rotella T5 is working for you.
I'm contemplating using the T6 or Mobil 1 Delvac LE 5W-30 in my '14 RAM EcoDiesel. I understand that ACEA E7/E9 is for HD trucks, how much different is that from ACEA C3?
Thanks for posting the pictures of the catalog from Chrysler showing the MS-11106 (MB-229.51) I'm still searching for definitive proof from a professional tribologist that MB-229.51 and Chrysler MS-11106 are the EXACT same specification. An applications engineer at Liqui-Moly told me the two specs were similar. He did recommend the Top Tech 4200 for my truck.
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#3510421 - 10/13/14 09:25 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: pb379]
Fraser434 Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
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Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: pb379
Fraser434-
Any updates to your UOA? I'm interested to know how the Shell Rotella T5 is working for you.
I'm contemplating using the T6 or Mobil 1 Delvac LE 5W-30 in my '14 RAM EcoDiesel. I understand that ACEA E7/E9 is for HD trucks, how much different is that from ACEA C3?
Thanks for posting the pictures of the catalog from Chrysler showing the MS-11106 (MB-229.51) I'm still searching for definitive proof from a professional tribologist that MB-229.51 and Chrysler MS-11106 are the EXACT same specification. An applications engineer at Liqui-Moly told me the two specs were similar. He did recommend the Top Tech 4200 for my truck.


Good timing, just changed oil over the weekend, filled it with Castrol Edge professional 5w30, it's ACEA C3. Have a 4000 mile sample of both T6 and Euro L to be analyzed. This crankcase builds up a lot of soot, can't imagine what the oil would look like after 10k OCI.

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#3519793 - 10/24/14 07:09 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: chrisri]
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The 2.0L 4-cylinder MultiJet and 1.9L Twinturbo Multijet have replaced the 2.4L, even in the European Jeeps.

But for European passenger cars the gasoline 1750 T-Jet is more interesting. Might even replace the 2.4 Tigershark.

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#3519829 - 10/24/14 07:47 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: philbytx]
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Originally Posted By: philbytx
So, you are still in the warranty period and you choose to ignore Chrysler's MS-11106 specified oils.

Only two oils are currently spec'd - both 5w30 - Pennzoil Ultra Euro L and Mobil1 ESP. I hope you do not experience any internal issues with your turbo motor!


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#3520576 - 10/24/14 09:55 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: Fraser434]
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Registered: 04/19/14
Posts: 42
Loc: WV
Originally Posted By: Fraser434
Originally Posted By: pb379
Fraser434-
Any updates to your UOA? I'm interested to know how the Shell Rotella T5 is working for you.
I'm contemplating using the T6 or Mobil 1 Delvac LE 5W-30 in my '14 RAM EcoDiesel. I understand that ACEA E7/E9 is for HD trucks, how much different is that from ACEA C3?
Thanks for posting the pictures of the catalog from Chrysler showing the MS-11106 (MB-229.51) I'm still searching for definitive proof from a professional tribologist that MB-229.51 and Chrysler MS-11106 are the EXACT same specification. An applications engineer at Liqui-Moly told me the two specs were similar. He did recommend the Top Tech 4200 for my truck.


Good timing, just changed oil over the weekend, filled it with Castrol Edge professional 5w30, it's ACEA C3. Have a 4000 mile sample of both T6 and Euro L to be analyzed. This crankcase builds up a lot of soot, can't imagine what the oil would look like after 10k OCI.


I just changed the oil in my MB ML320cdi which is the v6 diesel. In 100 miles the new oil was as black as the stuff I drained out of it. Kind of depressing to see it blacken that quick but everyone says it is normal. Waiting for my analysis report from Blackstone for oil with 7500 miles on it. I use the 229.51 Mobil 1 5-40esp. I'm out of warranty but MB people are very strict about that spec oil and don't deviate.
You have a new design engine with new technology. I wouldn't use anything but 229.51 under warranty.

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#3522502 - 10/27/14 11:02 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: philbytx]
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Originally Posted By: philbytx
So, you are still in the warranty period and you choose to ignore Chrysler's MS-11106 specified oils.

Only two oils are currently spec'd - both 5w30 - Pennzoil Ultra Euro L and Mobil1 ESP. I hope you do not experience any internal issues with your turbo motor!


The "L" in PUE stands for Low SAPS. The "ESP" in the M1 stands for Emissions System Protection. The point of specifying these oils is to protect the emissions system first, and the engine second. He won't have any internal engine issues if he goes with a high-SAPS oil, but the emissions system may have issues in a few years.


Edited by A_Harman (10/27/14 11:03 AM)
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#3524062 - 10/29/14 12:02 AM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: A_Harman]
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Brand new car and instead of using what is recommended you are going with T5?
Regardless of emission system, still, M1 ESP 5W30 and PU L 5W30 are much better oils than T5.
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#3528354 - 11/02/14 09:54 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 09/17/11
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Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Brand new car and instead of using what is recommended you are going with T5?
Regardless of emission system, still, M1 ESP 5W30 and PU L 5W30 are much better oils than T5.


Orly, in terms of engine wear? I have a 4000 mile sample of Rotella T6 and Euro L. Should be interesting.

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#3528362 - 11/02/14 09:58 PM Re: 2014 Jeep GC EcoDiesel 3.0 - Rotella T5 [Re: A_Harman]
Fraser434 Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 71
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
He won't have any internal engine issues if he goes with a high-SAPS oil, but the emissions system may have issues in a few years.


At least someone here has common sense. With low saps oil Engine rebuild at 120k or high saps oil DPF replacement at 120k ; that's what I'm thinking.


Edited by Fraser434 (11/02/14 10:00 PM)

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