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#3389480 - 06/05/14 08:12 AM Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil
badtlc Offline


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by reducing wear, friction, oxidation and extending oil life. They test and names names while doing it:

Lubegard site

Their testing specifically calls out improvements when used with Pennzoil, Quaker state, Havoline, Castrol and Mobil 1. There is also an independent test at the bottom.


Edited by badtlc (06/05/14 08:14 AM)
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#3389489 - 06/05/14 08:17 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx
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#3389491 - 06/05/14 08:19 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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How old is this page/content?

The bottles they picture haven't been sold for decades. Maybe they should re-test it against modern API SN oils.



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#3389493 - 06/05/14 08:22 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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It doesn't show SN oil compatibility. It lists many others but SN is conspicuously missing. I wouldn't consider adding anything to my oil.
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#3389495 - 06/05/14 08:25 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx
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#3389497 - 06/05/14 08:28 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: johnachak]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: johnachak
It doesn't show SN oil compatibility. It lists many others but SN is conspicuously missing. I wouldn't consider adding anything to my oil.


The site says "ALL including..." The data sheet didn't show anything past SL but they had updated the site for API SM. There is nothing drastically different with API SN. This type of product doesn't really interact with the additives anyway. It shouldn't matter what API level of oil you are talking about.
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#3389502 - 06/05/14 08:33 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: johnachak
It doesn't show SN oil compatibility. It lists many others but SN is conspicuously missing. I wouldn't consider adding anything to my oil.


The site says "ALL including..." The data sheet didn't show anything past SL but they had updated the site for API SM. There is nothing drastically different with API SN. This type of product doesn't really interact with the additives anyway. It shouldn't matter what API level of oil you are talking about.


There's an additive we both agree on. Cheers2 Good luck convincing the anti-additive crowd that it has any value though. smile popcorn2
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#3389518 - 06/05/14 08:51 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
tig1 Offline


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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx


That doesn't change anything. M1 still doesn't recommend using any additive to their product.


http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx
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#3389523 - 06/05/14 08:54 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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I am not knocking LubeGard products and I have used them with good success...or should I say, no issues!

And though I think that LubeGard products have their place, they are now in 2014, not really needed as much as they were over a decade ago...or longer!

IIRC, ILI started out with ATF products and moved into other areas of additives for P/S, Diff's, Engines, and more ATF Suppliments. They're ATF Suppliments/Additives were originaly designed for tranny shops to help reduce cost by not having to stock so many OE Specific ATFs.

IMHO, they're products may be the best in their catigory but for most of us and the newer the vehicles get, are just not as relivent anylonger.
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#3389585 - 06/05/14 10:11 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: demarpaint]
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I got Lubegard Bio-Tech with PYB in my '98 Saturn SC2 right now. PO put only Generic Bulk Oil in it before.

After I put it in, I could feel the engine "free up" & rev more easily & freely.

The Oil is BLACK after only 1K miles!!

There's some serious cleaning going on... banana
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#3389595 - 06/05/14 10:30 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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I sincerely doubt that this additive adds anything useful that is not in a good oil already. This is a good example of the "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right!" philosophy of homegrown engineering.

It may be somewhat useful for a specific problem, but what that problem is, and how Lubegard will make is better is anyone's guess.

The only thing I add to oil, ever, is Redline break in additive, in old tech engines (And Briggs&Stratton motors) that may need the extra ZDDP. Even then, only an ounce per quart.

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#3389668 - 06/05/14 11:33 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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#3389725 - 06/05/14 12:23 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Here we go again... Of course we all know that oil manufacturers are only going to put the best additives and absolutely everything else that is needed into a quart of our PCMO... they don't do anything that is profit driven in the motor oil industry!

(turn sarcasm off now) smile
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#3389796 - 06/05/14 01:54 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
Clevy Offline


Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 7912
Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx


That doesn't change anything. M1 still doesn't recommend using any additive to their product.


http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx



Come on.

Does any lubricant bottler suggest using oil additives in their products?
Of course not.

I can say with a straight face and without a doubt that I've had very good results in almost every engine using a different branded product,however I don't feel this product is required in new engines.
I'm not knocking lubegard and I'm confident that libricant manufacturers don't always make the best product they can.
They formulate it to a price point to meet minimum specifications as required by the oem.
Can they make a better product,of that I'm sure,but will the public bear the extra cost,probably not.
We can build a better mouse trap but to what cost,especially when the standard mousetrap is good enough,and cheap enough that the buying public doesn't care.
Besides in most cases the engine outlasts the vehicle it's placed in even with less than basic maintenance.
Let's concentrate in making the rest of the car last as long as the engine
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#3389811 - 06/05/14 02:09 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Is Lubregard (liquid wax ester) at least similar in principle to Prolong (chlorinated paraffin) ???
Where is MolaKule when you need him.?
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#3389901 - 06/05/14 03:52 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Clevy]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 10026
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx


That doesn't change anything. M1 still doesn't recommend using any additive to their product.


http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx



Come on.

Does any lubricant bottler suggest using oil additives in their products?
Of course not.

I can say with a straight face and without a doubt that I've had very good results in almost every engine using a different branded product,however I don't feel this product is required in new engines.
I'm not knocking lubegard and I'm confident that libricant manufacturers don't always make the best product they can.
They formulate it to a price point to meet minimum specifications as required by the oem.
Can they make a better product,of that I'm sure,but will the public bear the extra cost,probably not.
We can build a better mouse trap but to what cost,especially when the standard mousetrap is good enough,and cheap enough that the buying public doesn't care.
Besides in most cases the engine outlasts the vehicle it's placed in even with less than basic maintenance.
Let's concentrate in making the rest of the car last as long as the engine


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.
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#3389921 - 06/05/14 04:05 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?
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#3389959 - 06/05/14 04:36 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?



And Lubegard can research, test, formulate, market, distribute, finance, and produce a product that dramatically improves lubrication and sell said product at a very low cost to the consumer while remaining profitable.
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#3390036 - 06/05/14 06:24 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: FetchFar]
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Is Lubregard (liquid wax ester) at least similar in principle to Prolong (chlorinated paraffin) ???
Where is MolaKule when you need him.?


He's hiding in his crzy La-BORE-a-tory. cool


The liquid wax esters are esters synthesized from rapeseed acids and special alcohols.

They appear to have four advantages:

1. Aid in friction reduction,
2. have low-level anti-wear capabilities
3. aid in cleaning
4. are very stable in terms of resisting hydrolytic degradation.
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#3390340 - 06/06/14 04:41 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dave1251]
demarpaint Offline


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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?



And Lubegard can research, test, formulate, market, distribute, finance, and produce a product that dramatically improves lubrication and sell said product at a very low cost to the consumer while remaining profitable.


Why not? I'm sure that's all factored into the price just like any other company selling a product for a profit.
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#3390367 - 06/06/14 06:12 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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liquid wax ester ?sound a lot like methyl ester,(the bio part in diesel)don't put too much ester anywhere.if you keep it to less the 1% (preferably 0.5 %)and you should be fine.but I tend to agree with mobil.it shouldn't be needed ,the only exeption is the season change ,like from winter to summer or the summer to winter (twice a year)when temperature stay in the minus or when the temp stay in the plus it might be a good idea to put something like this product ,but every week ?nope ,I don't think you need this every week
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#3390576 - 06/06/14 10:49 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: demarpaint]
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Because according to some responses here Lubegard is above making a profit. The sole purpose is to improve lubricants.
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#3390659 - 06/06/14 12:29 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
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Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1


You have it backwards. Of course no one will suggest adding something to their oil. If you read the M1 link I provided M1 says additives can upset the formular itself and do not add anything to their oil. My 36 year history using M1 oils has proven to me nothing needs to be added to their product. However some other brands may need this product.


So you think Mobil hires idiots for the director of lubrication research positions?


So you didn't read the article. no-no Dr. Landis is a former employee of XM. Former.


With that said I'm sure he is very knowledgeable in his field. Creating new products to sell.


Edited by tig1 (06/06/14 12:31 PM)
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#3390919 - 06/06/14 05:31 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: yvon_la]
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
...liquid wax ester ?sound a lot like methyl ester,...


Nope, two entirely different esters.
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#3392788 - 06/09/14 08:02 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: tig1

So you didn't read the article. no-no Dr. Landis is a former employee of XM. Former.


With that said I'm sure he is very knowledgeable in his field. Creating new products to sell.


I don't think that makes the point you want it to make. But good try!
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#3393921 - 06/10/14 11:42 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Fascinating stuff, never looked at it before. LubeGard makes good stuff, how much is this? I pay 12 bucks for Lubegard Red for my trannies and at those extended intervals believe it is worth it.

Oh and I found it hilarious (and believable) that Lucas made the oil WORSE! LOL
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#3394005 - 06/10/14 01:29 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: KCJeep]
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The one thing I can say for sure about Lubegard products is that their Lubegard Power Steering Supplement worked for me. Now some here are going to demand scientific proof. I can't provide scientific proof. I don't own a multi-million dollar chemical company. All I know is that Lubegard product stopped a power steering unit from squealing in cold weather. It stopped the problem immediately. That was proof enough for me.

I have used Lubegard Biotech Engine Oil Supplement. It seemed to me that it improved engine performance. Again, some will demand scientific proof. I don't have scientific proof. Just my personal experience which is good enough for me.

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#3394252 - 06/10/14 07:09 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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mystic, the end result is what is important. who needs scientific proof!
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#3394257 - 06/10/14 07:13 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: boxcartommie22]
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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
mystic, the end result is what is important. who needs scientific proof!


Now that's a loaded question. Read through these threads you'll find out in short order if you haven't done so already. LOL j/k you already know..........
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#3394611 - 06/11/14 08:05 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Those not gullible enough to fall for the hand on the manifold claim. Those people?

Or the "it was like my car was on sport mode....where less application means more output. Let me tell you i put it in sport mode.....could not keep the tires planted!!!!" claim.

Don't know why the same two bring up this "scientific proof" claim. Especially as those two are the only ones who bring it up.


Edited by Trajan (06/11/14 08:07 AM)
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#3397035 - 06/13/14 10:16 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: MolaKule]
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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The liquid wax esters are esters synthesized from rapeseed acids and special alcohols.


I'm really surprised rapeseed and alcohols didn't get censored on BITOG.

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#3397036 - 06/13/14 10:18 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc

Their testing specifically calls out improvements when used with Pennzoil, Quaker state, Havoline, Castrol and Mobil 1. There is also an independent test at the bottom.


Didn't they use Timken machine?

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#3405091 - 06/23/14 10:46 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 06/23/14
Posts: 3
Loc: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.
I've used Lubegard transmission treatments with success. I was getting an intermittent "solenoid A" fault code. Every time the "A" solenoid got stuck ( always on a cold start), I'd get rock hard shifts, until I stopped and restarted the engine. A can of Lubegard friction modifier and a can of transmission protector and 500 miles later, smoother shifts and the "A" solenoid has yet to get stuck again. It would seem, that, in this instance, the snake oil did what it was supposed to do. If they know what they're doing with their trans additives, they might actually know what they're doing with the rest of their product line.

To me, additives are like holistic medicine compared to conventional medicine.. Sometimes you just need to change your diet and take your vitamins.( the right additive for a specific, minor problem). and sometimes you need a surgeon ( in the case of your car, a mechanic and money). :-)

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#3405094 - 06/23/14 10:53 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
Clevy Offline


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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1

So you didn't read the article. no-no Dr. Landis is a former employee of XM. Former.


With that said I'm sure he is very knowledgeable in his field. Creating new products to sell.


I don't think that makes the point you want it to make. But good try!





Hehehe.


Well molekule has said a mouthful in his post.

Where do I find this stuff in Canada. Considering the benefits as molekule describes them I can get on board here.
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#3405773 - 06/24/14 05:52 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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When you buy the quart bottle on Amazon, with free shipping, it comes out MUCH less expensive per ounce than going into a NAPA and buying the 15 ounce size off the shelf, and paying tax (in the U.S. at least wink ).
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#3406122 - 06/24/14 11:44 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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We sell a lot of the the Bio-tech at out shop. Some of our clients even put this in their performance drag/race vehicles. The owner of our shop is a huge lubegard fanatic, I think he drinks the stuff....lol
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#3406143 - 06/25/14 12:19 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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We provide UOA's at our shop and I'm pretty sure they are all saved somewhere on our computer system which means I may be able to pull up and print or scan some of the reports so I can post some them with the consent from the customers of course.

I have heard that most of the UOA's with the bio-tech added to the oil came back with astounding numbers and our customers have been very pleased with the results. I will do my best to get these UOA's posted if I'm able.
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#3406173 - 06/25/14 01:21 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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^^ I'd be interested in seeing the reports, if you get the OK.
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#3563051 - 12/12/14 05:24 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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I've used this before as well as the Lubro Moly MoS2. Honestly, to a full synthetic today I wouldn't use it, but if I wanted to spike some conventional I'd definitely add one or the other if I got a decent deal locally or through Amazon, etc. With the goal of a longer interval with dino, ofc. smile
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#3563075 - 12/12/14 06:33 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Bio E/P is one of the few additives that made my favorite oil additives list, its a very short list. It comes from a great company making some fantastic products.-RD

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#3563082 - 12/12/14 06:47 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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All I need to know is that LG Red was once specifically named in a Ford TSB for converter shudder.

Spec'd by an OEM! Not too many other additive companies can back up their products with real factory support!

Gosh, if we just listened to Tig we'd all think Mobil walks on water...
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#3563225 - 12/12/14 09:50 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: SteveSRT8]
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They also specs lubeguard for the Saabs they had some trouble with. Subaru Europe also.
IMHO when a manufacturer specs a product by name it says a lot.

http://www.lubegard.com/pdfs/OEMsuseLubegard.pdf
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#3563374 - 12/12/14 12:31 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav

IMHO when a manufacturer specs a product by name it says a lot.

http://www.lubegard.com/pdfs/OEMsuseLubegard.pdf


+1 They also respond to email questions in a timely manor.
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#3563396 - 12/12/14 01:02 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: demarpaint]
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There was a time when Lubegard transmission supplements were endorsed by at least three different auto manufacturers. So Lubegard certainly seems different than some other oil supplement makers.

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#3563584 - 12/12/14 06:06 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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I just picked up 2 15 ounce bottles for $10.95 each from Summit Racing (would have been free shipping if the whole order was over $99.00).

I am hoping that the high boron and calcium content in this will help boost a fuel diluted, higher miles, TBN depleted, late winter OCI. wink
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#3563648 - 12/12/14 07:18 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I just picked up 2 15 ounce bottles for $10.95 each from Summit Racing (would have been free shipping if the whole order was over $99.00).

I am hoping that the high boron and calcium content in this will help boost a fuel diluted, higher miles, TBN depleted, late winter OCI. wink



Liqui-moly motor oil saver is actually made for just such an application.
Though I'm now very interested in lube-gard.
Has anyone got a Canadian supplier.
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#3563922 - 12/13/14 06:31 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Really, Amazon seems to have the best pricing unless in store sales happen. This is mainly true if you have orders over their $35 free shipping minimum. Just don't expect it before January at this rate with the insane holiday buying. grin2

For example, you can get 32 oz bottle of the product in question for less than $20 on Amazon. That is the best price per ounce you will, AFAIK. Considering you pay $11+ for 15 ounce bottle and $8+ for 10 ounce.

I'm probably just going to get that one from now on and replace as necessary; only adding to the ratio they recommend.

I forget what direct linking rules were on the boards just search Lubegard 40902 on Amazon's website. That is the p/n for the 32oz.

30901 is the 15oz
30902 is the 10oz

IF you want a good buy otherwise their 98901 on Amazon has basically the 15oz Biotech EP for $10 or so and their own Engine Flush (idle cleaning type you add prior to draining after OCI) and it claims to have no solvents so you may like that package.

95030 is their flush on it's own. Also, they have an updated fuel system cleaner (77012) with PEA I want to try next time since I've tried RP's newer product and had already used Techron/Red Line SI-1 before.

I considered using their flush myself, but after using Lubro Moly and Amsoil engine flush products already; and inspecting the clean valve-train I don't have a need for an idle flush for peace of mind unless I were to want that after 1 year OCIs.

That ofc I am hoping to get to after soon confirming no more coolant in the oil! drive banana

EDIT: I got all the p/ns off amazon I have them on my wishlist. Not sure if better pricing in store on some of the items like at O'Reilly or Napa, etc. but can't really beat Amazon. thumbsup
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#3563932 - 12/13/14 06:39 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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I found the best deals on Amazon too for Biotech Engine Protectant.
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#3563976 - 12/13/14 07:53 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: demarpaint]
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It's $8.88 + Free Shipping w/Amazon Prime.

http://www.amazon.com/Lubegard-30902-Bio...ywords=lubegard


EDIT: I have it in my 1998 Saturn SC2 (See Sig...)




Edited by Turk (12/13/14 08:08 AM)
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#3564006 - 12/13/14 09:01 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Turk]
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Originally Posted By: Turk
It's $8.88 + Free Shipping w/Amazon Prime.

http://www.amazon.com/Lubegard-30902-Bio...ywords=lubegard


EDIT: I have it in my 1998 Saturn SC2 (See Sig...)




That's for the small 10 ounce bottles. smile The 15 ounce bottles run $11. The quarts are the way to go if you like the product, they're under $20.
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#3564158 - 12/13/14 12:39 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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#3564189 - 12/13/14 01:14 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: ltslimjim]
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Get this one instead, 5 Cents cheaper + it says Heavy Duty (it's the same formula...) smile

http://www.amazon.com/Lubegard-30916-Hea...p=1418497973777
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#3564217 - 12/13/14 01:45 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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^You sir, are a legend. #myfail@---> thumbsup

rip editing too late. T^T
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#3565524 - 12/14/14 08:12 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Clevy]
dailydriver Offline


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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I just picked up 2 15 ounce bottles for $10.95 each from Summit Racing (would have been free shipping if the whole order was over $99.00).

I am hoping that the high boron and calcium content in this will help boost a fuel diluted, higher miles, TBN depleted, late winter OCI. wink



Liqui-moly motor oil saver is actually made for just such an application.


True, but the Bio Tech stuff does this without increasing the viscosity of my winter OCI one iota. wink
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#3565527 - 12/14/14 08:16 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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The ONLY reason I do not go with the amazon quarts of this product is because EVERY SINGLE TIME I've ordered it from them, it arrived in a large box with NO packing material what so ever, the cap was loose, and the bottle was leaking (yes, even with the foil seal mostly intact) all over the place. frown
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#3565548 - 12/14/14 08:35 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
The ONLY reason I do not go with the amazon quarts of this product is because EVERY SINGLE TIME I've ordered it from them, it arrived in a large box with NO packing material what so ever, the cap was loose, and the bottle was leaking (yes, even with the foil seal mostly intact) all over the place. frown


I've been lucky ordering quarts from them. However I did notice the bottles weep very slightly from the ribbing [for lack of a better term] on the bottles after they sit in my stash for a while. It isn't enough of a problem to make an issue out of it though.
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#3565608 - 12/14/14 09:13 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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^Perhaps even more REASON !!!? to order the Quarts of this stuff? banana

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Edited by ltslimjim (12/14/14 09:15 PM)
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#3566412 - 12/15/14 03:35 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
dailydriver Offline


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The 15 ouncers I receive from Summit Racing have ALWAYS been packed VERY well, and have ALWAYS had the caps on TIGHT, and have NEVER, EVER been leaking at all (not even a slightly oily bottle)!!

IF I could actually SPEAK to someone at amazon shipping (one CANNOT frown ), and tell them to tighten the caps, and pack the quarts in a smaller box with some sort of padding (and actually have them listen/do this), then I would GLADLY buy the quarts from them once more. wink
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#3566429 - 12/15/14 03:55 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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good point dd,

i fill out the surveys from amazon, every time i buy from them and they continue to send what i feel are less than well packed goods.

oh well, perhaps someday they will listen.

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#3566848 - 12/15/14 10:36 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
Clevy Offline


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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I just picked up 2 15 ounce bottles for $10.95 each from Summit Racing (would have been free shipping if the whole order was over $99.00).

I am hoping that the high boron and calcium content in this will help boost a fuel diluted, higher miles, TBN depleted, late winter OCI. wink



Liqui-moly motor oil saver is actually made for just such an application.


True, but the Bio Tech stuff does this without increasing the viscosity of my winter OCI one iota. wink



Come on. Unless the engine has a 2 quart sump I doubt viscosity is affected in any meaningful way.
Though I can't disagree with your logic,I don't agree that in a typical 5 quart sump that viscosity is affected in any real tangible way.

Where's the beers.
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#3567803 - 12/16/14 06:55 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Clevy]
dailydriver Offline


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Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I just picked up 2 15 ounce bottles for $10.95 each from Summit Racing (would have been free shipping if the whole order was over $99.00).

I am hoping that the high boron and calcium content in this will help boost a fuel diluted, higher miles, TBN depleted, late winter OCI. wink



Liqui-moly motor oil saver is actually made for just such an application.


True, but the Bio Tech stuff does this without increasing the viscosity of my winter OCI one iota. wink



Come on. Unless the engine has a 2 quart sump I doubt viscosity is affected in any meaningful way.
Though I can't disagree with your logic,I don't agree that in a typical 5 quart sump that viscosity is affected in any real tangible way.


Yes, but as you've stated, you agree to a point, and it actually makes even MORE difference where YOU are located for a winter OCI.

I just do not like to thicken the oil even infinitesimally in the winter, for start-up flow reasons.
In fact, IF I ever have to 'top up' oil in the winter, I ONLY use the light, high VI 0W-20s.

I DO plan on adding a can of the Motor Oil Saver this coming summer though. wink
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#3567840 - 12/16/14 07:30 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
IF I ever have to 'top up' oil in the winter, I ONLY use the light, high VI 0W-20s.

You live in PA just a little south of the arctic circle. LOL
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#3567928 - 12/16/14 09:04 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver

Yes, but as you've stated, you agree to a point, and it actually makes even MORE difference where YOU are located for a winter OCI.

I just do not like to thicken the oil even infinitesimally in the winter, for start-up flow reasons.
In fact, IF I ever have to 'top up' oil in the winter, I ONLY use the light, high VI 0W-20s.

I DO plan on adding a can of the Motor Oil Saver this coming summer though. wink


I doubt Bio EP is to thicken your oil, not even infinitesimally.-RD

Viscosity 40C 33-37 cSt
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#3568468 - 12/17/14 11:44 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
The ONLY reason I do not go with the amazon quarts of this product is because EVERY SINGLE TIME I've ordered it from them, it arrived in a large box with NO packing material what so ever, the cap was loose, and the bottle was leaking (yes, even with the foil seal mostly intact) all over the place. frown


I just received a quart from Amazon and it was packed well and had zero leaks... I guess I was lucky. LOL.
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#3568520 - 12/17/14 12:23 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: rockydee]
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Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: dailydriver

Yes, but as you've stated, you agree to a point, and it actually makes even MORE difference where YOU are located for a winter OCI.

I just do not like to thicken the oil even infinitesimally in the winter, for start-up flow reasons.
In fact, IF I ever have to 'top up' oil in the winter, I ONLY use the light, high VI 0W-20s.

I DO plan on adding a can of the Motor Oil Saver this coming summer though. wink


I doubt Bio EP is to thicken your oil, not even infinitesimally.-RD

Viscosity 40C 33-37 cSt
" 100C 5-8 cSt


I believe he was referring to the suggestion of Clevy to perhaps use LM's Motor Oil Saver instead; which IIRC is an additive boost in some weight of carrier oil.
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#3568693 - 12/17/14 03:02 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: ltslimjim]
dailydriver Offline


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Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: dailydriver

Yes, but as you've stated, you agree to a point, and it actually makes even MORE difference where YOU are located for a winter OCI.

I just do not like to thicken the oil even infinitesimally in the winter, for start-up flow reasons.
In fact, IF I ever have to 'top up' oil in the winter, I ONLY use the light, high VI 0W-20s.

I DO plan on adding a can of the Motor Oil Saver this coming summer though. wink


I doubt Bio EP is to thicken your oil, not even infinitesimally.-RD

Viscosity 40C 33-37 cSt
" 100C 5-8 cSt


I believe he was referring to the suggestion of Clevy to perhaps use LM's Motor Oil Saver instead; which IIRC is an additive boost in some weight of carrier oil.


Yes, correct, and it is about the viscosity of the old VSOT additive, or about the consistency of frozen molasses. wink

(The low viscosity of the Bio Tech is the reason WHY I DO use it in the winter.)
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#3568697 - 12/17/14 03:04 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Boss302fan]
dailydriver Offline


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Originally Posted By: Boss302fan
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
The ONLY reason I do not go with the amazon quarts of this product is because EVERY SINGLE TIME I've ordered it from them, it arrived in a large box with NO packing material what so ever, the cap was loose, and the bottle was leaking (yes, even with the foil seal mostly intact) all over the place. frown


I just received a quart from Amazon and it was packed well and had zero leaks... I guess I was lucky. LOL.


Maybe I will give them another chance next time I buy the Bio Tech product.

Thanks. thumbsup
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#3568710 - 12/17/14 03:17 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Trav]
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
IF I ever have to 'top up' oil in the winter, I ONLY use the light, high VI 0W-20s.

You live in PA just a little south of the arctic circle. LOL


This engine does NOT 'like' the freezing cold weather (anything below ~35* F ambient) at start up. no-no
(MOST owners of these cars, and the C5 Vettes this engine was also in, store their cars over the winter if they live above the Mason- Dixon line, and YES, I know that the trucks they are in ARE used ALL YEAR 'ROUND, in ALL conditions.)

ANYTHING I can do to help oil get up to the valvetrain, and flowing into bearings quicker is a plus.

(I cannot use a block/coolant/oil pan heater where I currently live, so I do the best I can with low oil viscosity in the winter.)

I also know you are one of the many CATERHAM haters/dissers on here, so I guess I should expect that kind of response to anyone choosing a thinner viscosity oil in ANY conditions (maybe even inside of the "Arctic Circle" you so derisively mention?).
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#3568884 - 12/17/14 06:48 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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The high VI thing got me laughing i admit. If this engine doesn't like temps below 35f there is something wrong with it and you need a mechanic not a high VI 0w20.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
you are one of the many CATERHAM haters/dissers on here

Haters/dissers? Little strong don't you think.
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#3569639 - 12/18/14 01:23 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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^That's a good point. An oil's cold flow properties at startup is generally more of an issue closer to 0 degrees, etc.

I would want to know more as to the symptoms of this engine driving the desire for easier startup protection. On the other hand, unless this oil/setup weren't providing solid oil pressure at operating temp what's the concern going 0w-20 in the winter?

Is this the Red Line and Sustina blend going on + the Lubegard? Is that the winter fill? If so, what's the point of 0w-40 Red Line? Their 5w-30 would be a better approach overall, IMO. Heck, even Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 or Mobil1's AFE 0w-30 would be great in the winter. shrug 2cents On their own, let alone adding Lubegard.


Edited by ltslimjim (12/18/14 01:26 PM)
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#3569833 - 12/18/14 04:30 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: ltslimjim]
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Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Heck, even Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 or Mobil1's AFE 0w-30 would be great in the winter. shrug 2cents On their own, let alone adding Lubegard.

Oh come on now that would be just too darn easy, you mean just open a bottle and pour it in? Heresy! LOL.
I agree 100%, it would be hard to go wrong with either of those along with PP, QSUD, etc.
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#3569859 - 12/18/14 05:16 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: ltslimjim]
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Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^That's a good point. An oil's cold flow properties at startup is generally more of an issue closer to 0 degrees, etc.

I would want to know more as to the symptoms of this engine driving the desire for easier startup protection. On the other hand, unless this oil/setup weren't providing solid oil pressure at operating temp what's the concern going 0w-20 in the winter?

Is this the Red Line and Sustina blend going on + the Lubegard? Is that the winter fill? If so, what's the point of 0w-40 Red Line? Their 5w-30 would be a better approach overall, IMO. Heck, even Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 or Mobil1's AFE 0w-30 would be great in the winter. shrug 2cents On their own, let alone adding Lubegard.


See, but now we are almost 'baiting' me for an anti-CATERHAM type attack when I attempt to explain my reasons for going with this mix/blend, and then ALL of the high VI dissers pile on as usual.

This blend is ~ a 216 VI, with a fairly low MRV, and approximately a 3.1 HTHSV, which is fine for the winter in an LSx.
It also has decent; moly, boron, and calcium contents, and a fairly high starting TBN.

The Lube Gard is for near the middle to end of the OCI, just to boost the naturally depleted calcium, boron, and moly (and to counteract whatever fuel dilution there may be at that point.
SIMPLE AS THAT, I am done arguing with everyone on this subject.

NOTHING really wrong with this engine, just that I don't like the cold noises, and it is quiet MUCH sooner in the sub 35*F ambient temps with this high VI blend, but of course THAT will be critiqued/lambasted on here as well. frown
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Red Line 0W-40/Sustina 0W-20 (20/80 mix)
Fram Ultra filter
Synpower 75W-140/4oz. XL-3
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#3569874 - 12/18/14 05:40 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: Trav]
dailydriver Offline


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Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Heck, even Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 or Mobil1's AFE 0w-30 would be great in the winter. shrug 2cents On their own, let alone adding Lubegard.

Oh come on now that would be just too darn easy, you mean just open a bottle and pour it in? Heresy! LOL.
I agree 100%, it would be hard to go wrong with either of those along with PP, QSUD, etc.


So then tell me, WHY DO WE EVEN NEED THIS SITE if EVERYTHING/ALL SCENARIOS/CONDITIONS/ETC. can be fully covered/fine with just a few Sino Mart oils??

Just put that up in the home page header, and tell everyone to "move on".

Just think, then all of you can keep petitioning Helen to turn this into an extreme right wing political site so that all of you can OPENLY vent your vehemence/rage on what you REALLY want/need to. crackmeup
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2000 Z28 1SC 6 speed 175K miles
Red Line 0W-40/Sustina 0W-20 (20/80 mix)
Fram Ultra filter
Synpower 75W-140/4oz. XL-3
Red Line D4 in the T56

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#3569898 - 12/18/14 06:08 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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Truth is you can provide almost every automobile engine with good lubrication with oils right off the retail shelf.
I trust the people who formulated the oil in the bottle a lot more than some guy on a forum no matter who he is.

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Just think, then all of you can keep petitioning Helen to turn this into an extreme right wing political site so that all of you can OPENLY vent your vehemence/rage on what you REALLY want/need to.


There is a lot more to this site than just blending oil and high VI 0w20.
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#3569927 - 12/18/14 06:52 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 03/09/14
Posts: 204
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
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Just think, then all of you can keep petitioning Helen to turn this into an extreme right wing political site so that all of you can OPENLY vent your vehemence/rage on what you REALLY want/need to. crackmeup


I'm just wondering. What does that comment have to do with the price of tea in China, or oil additives for that matter?-RD

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#3570008 - 12/18/14 08:07 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
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Posts: 5245
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^That's a good point. An oil's cold flow properties at startup is generally more of an issue closer to 0 degrees, etc.

I would want to know more as to the symptoms of this engine driving the desire for easier startup protection. On the other hand, unless this oil/setup weren't providing solid oil pressure at operating temp what's the concern going 0w-20 in the winter?

Is this the Red Line and Sustina blend going on + the Lubegard? Is that the winter fill? If so, what's the point of 0w-40 Red Line? Their 5w-30 would be a better approach overall, IMO. Heck, even Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 or Mobil1's AFE 0w-30 would be great in the winter. shrug 2cents On their own, let alone adding Lubegard.


See, but now we are almost 'baiting' me for an anti-CATERHAM type attack when I attempt to explain my reasons for going with this mix/blend, and then ALL of the high VI dissers pile on as usual.

This blend is ~ a 216 VI, with a fairly low MRV, and approximately a 3.1 HTHSV, which is fine for the winter in an LSx.
It also has decent; moly, boron, and calcium contents, and a fairly high starting TBN.

The Lube Gard is for near the middle to end of the OCI, just to boost the naturally depleted calcium, boron, and moly (and to counteract whatever fuel dilution there may be at that point.
SIMPLE AS THAT, I am done arguing with everyone on this subject.

NOTHING really wrong with this engine, just that I don't like the cold noises, and it is quiet MUCH sooner in the sub 35*F ambient temps with this high VI blend, but of course THAT will be critiqued/lambasted on here as well. frown


Speaking for myself, I was only trying to contribute to the discussion. I have no desire to bash your enthusiasm. If you have a blend or regimen that works then more power to you. Heck, I have a few random quarts of synthetic I'll be throwing together for my next interval. If your goal was a certain sort of properties end blend then +1. thumbsup
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1992 Civic VX 285k+
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#3571779 - 12/20/14 06:13 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: ltslimjim]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 7226
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^That's a good point. An oil's cold flow properties at startup is generally more of an issue closer to 0 degrees, etc.

I would want to know more as to the symptoms of this engine driving the desire for easier startup protection. On the other hand, unless this oil/setup weren't providing solid oil pressure at operating temp what's the concern going 0w-20 in the winter?

Is this the Red Line and Sustina blend going on + the Lubegard? Is that the winter fill? If so, what's the point of 0w-40 Red Line? Their 5w-30 would be a better approach overall, IMO. Heck, even Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 or Mobil1's AFE 0w-30 would be great in the winter. shrug 2cents On their own, let alone adding Lubegard.


See, but now we are almost 'baiting' me for an anti-CATERHAM type attack when I attempt to explain my reasons for going with this mix/blend, and then ALL of the high VI dissers pile on as usual.

This blend is ~ a 216 VI, with a fairly low MRV, and approximately a 3.1 HTHSV, which is fine for the winter in an LSx.
It also has decent; moly, boron, and calcium contents, and a fairly high starting TBN.

The Lube Gard is for near the middle to end of the OCI, just to boost the naturally depleted calcium, boron, and moly (and to counteract whatever fuel dilution there may be at that point.
SIMPLE AS THAT, I am done arguing with everyone on this subject.

NOTHING really wrong with this engine, just that I don't like the cold noises, and it is quiet MUCH sooner in the sub 35*F ambient temps with this high VI blend, but of course THAT will be critiqued/lambasted on here as well. frown


Speaking for myself, I was only trying to contribute to the discussion. I have no desire to bash your enthusiasm. If you have a blend or regimen that works then more power to you. Heck, I have a few random quarts of synthetic I'll be throwing together for my next interval. If your goal was a certain sort of properties end blend then +1. thumbsup


Thank you for understanding, and yes, maybe I was a little too harsh on you in particular, with my response. frown

But others seem to have a need to boost their egos/self importance by putting others down/being snide towards them for their oil/lube choices, and decisions, even though I NEVER ONCE stated that this was what EVERYONE (OR EVEN ANYONE else) should do, or needs to do (just what I do for MY situation, and why I do it). wink

BTW; Yes, my oil pressure at winter cold start up idle is >60 psi with this high VI, somewhat thin blend, and it is still >40 psi at very hot winter idle, so a 3.3 to 3.5 (or greater) HTHSV, low VI, 'off the Sino Mart shelf' oil (OR even the 3.7 HTHSV RL 5W-30) IS way too thick for my app in winter!!
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2000 Z28 1SC 6 speed 175K miles
Red Line 0W-40/Sustina 0W-20 (20/80 mix)
Fram Ultra filter
Synpower 75W-140/4oz. XL-3
Red Line D4 in the T56

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#3571925 - 12/20/14 08:40 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: dailydriver]
ltslimjim Offline


Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 5245
Loc: FreelanceRoverRogerRabbit
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^That's a good point. An oil's cold flow properties at startup is generally more of an issue closer to 0 degrees, etc.

I would want to know more as to the symptoms of this engine driving the desire for easier startup protection. On the other hand, unless this oil/setup weren't providing solid oil pressure at operating temp what's the concern going 0w-20 in the winter?

Is this the Red Line and Sustina blend going on + the Lubegard? Is that the winter fill? If so, what's the point of 0w-40 Red Line? Their 5w-30 would be a better approach overall, IMO. Heck, even Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 or Mobil1's AFE 0w-30 would be great in the winter. shrug 2cents On their own, let alone adding Lubegard.


See, but now we are almost 'baiting' me for an anti-CATERHAM type attack when I attempt to explain my reasons for going with this mix/blend, and then ALL of the high VI dissers pile on as usual.

This blend is ~ a 216 VI, with a fairly low MRV, and approximately a 3.1 HTHSV, which is fine for the winter in an LSx.
It also has decent; moly, boron, and calcium contents, and a fairly high starting TBN.

The Lube Gard is for near the middle to end of the OCI, just to boost the naturally depleted calcium, boron, and moly (and to counteract whatever fuel dilution there may be at that point.
SIMPLE AS THAT, I am done arguing with everyone on this subject.

NOTHING really wrong with this engine, just that I don't like the cold noises, and it is quiet MUCH sooner in the sub 35*F ambient temps with this high VI blend, but of course THAT will be critiqued/lambasted on here as well. frown


Speaking for myself, I was only trying to contribute to the discussion. I have no desire to bash your enthusiasm. If you have a blend or regimen that works then more power to you. Heck, I have a few random quarts of synthetic I'll be throwing together for my next interval. If your goal was a certain sort of properties end blend then +1. thumbsup


Thank you for understanding, and yes, maybe I was a little too harsh on you in particular, with my response. frown

But others seem to have a need to boost their egos/self importance by putting others down/being snide towards them for their oil/lube choices, and decisions, even though I NEVER ONCE stated that this was what EVERYONE (OR EVEN ANYONE else) should do, or needs to do (just what I do for MY situation, and why I do it). wink

BTW; Yes, my oil pressure at winter cold start up idle is >60 psi with this high VI, somewhat thin blend, and it is still >40 psi at very hot winter idle, so a 3.3 to 3.5 (or greater) HTHSV, low VI, 'off the Sino Mart shelf' oil (OR even the 3.7 HTHSV RL 5W-30) IS way too thick for my app in winter!!


Nice. Hey, ever thought of posting up some UOAs of that winter blend when you go to change it out? I'd be interested in looking at them for fun. TBN if possible. grin2
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