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#3389480 - 06/05/14 08:12 AM Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
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by reducing wear, friction, oxidation and extending oil life. They test and names names while doing it:

Lubegard site

Their testing specifically calls out improvements when used with Pennzoil, Quaker state, Havoline, Castrol and Mobil 1. There is also an independent test at the bottom.


Edited by badtlc (06/05/14 08:14 AM)
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#3389489 - 06/05/14 08:17 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx
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#3389491 - 06/05/14 08:19 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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How old is this page/content?

The bottles they picture haven't been sold for decades. Maybe they should re-test it against modern API SN oils.



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#3389493 - 06/05/14 08:22 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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It doesn't show SN oil compatibility. It lists many others but SN is conspicuously missing. I wouldn't consider adding anything to my oil.
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#3389495 - 06/05/14 08:25 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
badtlc Offline


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Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx
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#3389497 - 06/05/14 08:28 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: johnachak]
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Originally Posted By: johnachak
It doesn't show SN oil compatibility. It lists many others but SN is conspicuously missing. I wouldn't consider adding anything to my oil.


The site says "ALL including..." The data sheet didn't show anything past SL but they had updated the site for API SM. There is nothing drastically different with API SN. This type of product doesn't really interact with the additives anyway. It shouldn't matter what API level of oil you are talking about.
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#3389502 - 06/05/14 08:33 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: johnachak
It doesn't show SN oil compatibility. It lists many others but SN is conspicuously missing. I wouldn't consider adding anything to my oil.


The site says "ALL including..." The data sheet didn't show anything past SL but they had updated the site for API SM. There is nothing drastically different with API SN. This type of product doesn't really interact with the additives anyway. It shouldn't matter what API level of oil you are talking about.


There's an additive we both agree on. Cheers2 Good luck convincing the anti-additive crowd that it has any value though. smile popcorn2
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#3389518 - 06/05/14 08:51 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
tig1 Offline


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Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx


That doesn't change anything. M1 still doesn't recommend using any additive to their product.


http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx
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#3389523 - 06/05/14 08:54 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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I am not knocking LubeGard products and I have used them with good success...or should I say, no issues!

And though I think that LubeGard products have their place, they are now in 2014, not really needed as much as they were over a decade ago...or longer!

IIRC, ILI started out with ATF products and moved into other areas of additives for P/S, Diff's, Engines, and more ATF Suppliments. They're ATF Suppliments/Additives were originaly designed for tranny shops to help reduce cost by not having to stock so many OE Specific ATFs.

IMHO, they're products may be the best in their catigory but for most of us and the newer the vehicles get, are just not as relivent anylonger.
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#3389585 - 06/05/14 10:11 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: demarpaint]
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I got Lubegard Bio-Tech with PYB in my '98 Saturn SC2 right now. PO put only Generic Bulk Oil in it before.

After I put it in, I could feel the engine "free up" & rev more easily & freely.

The Oil is BLACK after only 1K miles!!

There's some serious cleaning going on... banana
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#3389595 - 06/05/14 10:30 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Loc: East Mountains, NM
I sincerely doubt that this additive adds anything useful that is not in a good oil already. This is a good example of the "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just right!" philosophy of homegrown engineering.

It may be somewhat useful for a specific problem, but what that problem is, and how Lubegard will make is better is anyone's guess.

The only thing I add to oil, ever, is Redline break in additive, in old tech engines (And Briggs&Stratton motors) that may need the extra ZDDP. Even then, only an ounce per quart.

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#3389668 - 06/05/14 11:33 AM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Loc: California
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#3389725 - 06/05/14 12:23 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 05/07/10
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Loc: Winchester, VA
Here we go again... Of course we all know that oil manufacturers are only going to put the best additives and absolutely everything else that is needed into a quart of our PCMO... they don't do anything that is profit driven in the motor oil industry!

(turn sarcasm off now) smile
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#3389796 - 06/05/14 01:54 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: tig1]
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Registered: 11/11/10
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Loc: Saskatoon canada
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 does not recommend any additives to their oil. Here is the link.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx




The former head of Mobil's lubrication research group is the brains behind the technology.

http://www.lubegard.com/LXE.aspx


That doesn't change anything. M1 still doesn't recommend using any additive to their product.


http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Using_Oil_Stabilizers.aspx



Come on.

Does any lubricant bottler suggest using oil additives in their products?
Of course not.

I can say with a straight face and without a doubt that I've had very good results in almost every engine using a different branded product,however I don't feel this product is required in new engines.
I'm not knocking lubegard and I'm confident that libricant manufacturers don't always make the best product they can.
They formulate it to a price point to meet minimum specifications as required by the oem.
Can they make a better product,of that I'm sure,but will the public bear the extra cost,probably not.
We can build a better mouse trap but to what cost,especially when the standard mousetrap is good enough,and cheap enough that the buying public doesn't care.
Besides in most cases the engine outlasts the vehicle it's placed in even with less than basic maintenance.
Let's concentrate in making the rest of the car last as long as the engine
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#3389811 - 06/05/14 02:09 PM Re: Lubegard Engine Oil Protectant improves oil [Re: badtlc]
FetchFar Offline


Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 831
Loc: Colorado
Is Lubregard (liquid wax ester) at least similar in principle to Prolong (chlorinated paraffin) ???
Where is MolaKule when you need him.?
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