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#3386783 - 06/02/14 07:44 AM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: bigjl]
Olas Offline


Registered: 12/11/13
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Loc: Manchester, England
Originally Posted By: bigjl

Too many VAG products with school boy errors in terms of engineering every component and system to be 100% idiot proof


There, I fixed it for you wink
Maybe VAG think to themselves that they like to reward people who use the cars correctly with a very respectable life-span on their vehicles, and for the people who don't/can't follow procedure they get an unreliable car that breaks often.

It's like a manufacturer forcing evolution on it's customers - retention of the smart, survival of the fittest and dissuading of the careless/stupid.

Just a supposition..
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#3386945 - 06/02/14 11:51 AM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: Olas]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 993
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: bigjl

Too many VAG products with school boy errors in terms of engineering every component and system to be 100% idiot proof


There, I fixed it for you wink
Maybe VAG think to themselves that they like to reward people who use the cars correctly with a very respectable life-span on their vehicles, and for the people who don't/can't follow procedure they get an unreliable car that breaks often.

It's like a manufacturer forcing evolution on it's customers - retention of the smart, survival of the fittest and dissuading of the careless/stupid.

Just a supposition..

I would agree on this. VAG is way ahead of Ford in innovation, so there is reason why some errors are happening.
Though errors I saw on Ford's, especially in 90's are just ridiculous. Who can forget Escort and its wiring:)
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#3387553 - 06/03/14 03:27 AM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 205
Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
Strong point of VW cars are interior finish that are superb for its class.Mechanically they are nothing special compared to other Euro cars
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#3390547 - 06/06/14 10:25 AM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 05/04/03
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Loc: southeast US
Originally Posted By: edyvw
VAG is way ahead of Ford in innovation, so there is reason why some errors are happening.


+1. VAG are cars for enthusiasts, not a boring commuting appliance.

BTW, I enjoy my boring commuting appliance immensely.

I still remember the adrenaline rush when my junky car would quit in the middle of nowhere when I was young.

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#3390644 - 06/06/14 11:57 AM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: friendly_jacek]
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Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 205
Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.
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#3390992 - 06/06/14 07:30 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: chrisri]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 993
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.

We will see how that will go now when they departed with Mazda!
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#3391321 - 06/07/14 08:25 AM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 06/01/14
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Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
I hope you are wrong.Quite like the way they drive,a true working class driver car.Pozdrav Edy buba!
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#3394861 - 06/11/14 02:23 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 06/08/06
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Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.

We will see how that will go now when they departed with Mazda!


The current models have no connection to Mazda.
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#3394863 - 06/11/14 02:24 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: chrisri]
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Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 3567
Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Altough that may well be in US,Euro Fords are far better drivers cars then VW.New Mondeo,Focus even a Fiesta drives great.This cars are engineered in UK and Brits know thing or two about handling.Pre Focus cars where disaster except Cosworth cars.VAG does have edge in engines though.


You are correct and the US models now days are the same as what europe gets. It will take a while before the general population realizes the differences in the new Fords.
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#3394945 - 06/11/14 04:07 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 205
Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
A bit of topic but my good friend drives Graham Goode Focus St 2.5 Volvo engine and that thing is monster.Effortless speed of that thig is amazing on road and on track.Mk 5 and 6 Golf GTI are joke compared to Ford.Only fwd that may be faster is Renaultsport Megane 265.
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#3402242 - 06/20/14 12:51 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: Mathson]
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Registered: 01/27/11
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Loc: usa
That's why you buy a Dodge Dart instead of some motorized sauerkraut bowl.

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#3402253 - 06/20/14 01:11 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: Mathson]
Mykl Offline


Registered: 02/08/13
Posts: 1206
Loc: Texas
As a counter to the negativity, a positive review...

My 80k mile (129k km) GTI hasn't given me any issues. I have spent $0 in repairs over the four years and nine months of ownership.
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#3402516 - 06/20/14 08:15 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: tommygunn]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 993
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
That's why you buy a Dodge Dart instead of some motorized sauerkraut bowl.

This is post of the year!
Or you want to say: That is why you buy FIAT Bravo which is sold in the U.S. as Dodge Dart?
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#3402518 - 06/20/14 08:16 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: Mykl]
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Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 993
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Mykl
As a counter to the negativity, a positive review...

My 80k mile (129k km) GTI hasn't given me any issues. I have spent $0 in repairs over the four years and nine months of ownership.

I have 2010 CC with 2.0T never had ANY issues.
I used GC, M1 0W40, Castrol 5W40 (I got it when bought car) and now M1 5W30 ESP.
Engine did not burn drop of any of those oils, and I do drive very hard.
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#3425664 - 07/15/14 03:51 PM Re: Golf VII TSI / Turbo worn out at 60 000km [Re: Garak]
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Registered: 01/17/10
Posts: 16
Loc: Barbecue, NC
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Olas
Maybe the owners manual doesn't mention 'cool-down' because it's obvious? I knew about the need to let a turbo cool down before switching the engine off before I even started my driving lessons..some things are just obvious (IMO!) like checking tyre pressures and fluid levels and bulbs each week.

Good question. It should be obvious, and regardless of the cooling system, I would still give the thing an opportunity to cool down, just because that's what I've always done. Maybe VW/Audi just thinks it's too much of a hassle for customers and will turn them away from their turbo offerings.


On the 2.0T FSI engine, there is a built in turbo timer of sorts...it runs the coolant in reverse with an electric water pump to allow the turbo to cool down if it is too hot. I seriously doubt they would have dropped this from the newer models.
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