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#3382622 - 05/27/14 11:43 PM F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know?
FetchFar Offline


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What changed in 2011? this qoute:

"As little as a couple of seasons ago, engine wear was such that an engine nearing the end of its multi-race cycle would be significantly less powerful than one at the start of its life. That is no longer the case, in large part thanks to advancements in lubricant technology. Drivers no longer fear dramatic performance losses in older engines - and teams don’t fear failures as they used to.

“Over the last few years we’ve been working on the products we have and the oil chemistry,” says Neale. “And that’s given us a phenomenal efficiency improvement, like an 80 percent reduction in wear of metals. That means there’s more power available for the driver for longer. With engines and gearboxes needed to last for multiple races, it means that the power lasts.
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--- from Link - click Here for source
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#3382647 - 05/28/14 12:56 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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I bet these are closely guarded secrets.
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#3382785 - 05/28/14 07:02 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Interesting article. As with all racing technology, there is a trickle down effect to passenger vehicles. I'm sure Mobil is incorporating what they can on a cost effective basis. With F1, what something costs is not a primary consideration.
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#3382863 - 05/28/14 08:57 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Poke around the "Jay Leno's Garage" youtube channel, and you'll see him talking with a F1 lubricant specialist at Circuit of the Americas. Yes, the details of the engine oils and even the analyses they run on them are guarded. The guy didn't even look comfortable with Leno getting a sniff of the oil, even though they did let him pull a sample.
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#3382959 - 05/28/14 10:59 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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440Magnum, yes I saw that video, a fun one. Wonder what they did to get the 80% wear reduction they say. Throw in a bunch of moly? Switch to polyol ester (like Redline)? Change viscosity? Add VI (see Click Here for discussion by Shell ? Nano-particles added?

OK, nearly impossible to find an F1-insider-info-leaker when you need one...
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#3383201 - 05/28/14 03:20 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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f1 probably already use graphene in oil!
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#3383283 - 05/28/14 05:01 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
FetchFar Offline


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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
f1 probably already use graphene in oil!


Nice you mention that! I was just reading about that stuff. That could be it, sheets of linked overlapping carbon-atoms, graphite sheets. That would relate back to the old ARCO Graphite of the 1980's... just maybe.

Speculation again, but MolaKule once posted something about what Nissan (Infiniti) patented for their special oil they use in passenger cars now, cars that have the DLC diamond like carbon coatings. In that oil patent, they actually use 0.005 micron sized diamond particles (nano-dust) to work with polarized ester molecules. This oil is available at Nissan/Infiniti dealerships now. ... Nano tech, ceramics, diamond dust, might be at work here. don't know

All we need is one F1 Eric Snowden to leak stuff, just one disgruntled/retired employee.
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#3383486 - 05/28/14 08:13 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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fetchfar could be,given that Nissan have had a 600hp monster for what 20 years (Nissan skyline)do you know the name of the oil you mention ?like its actual spammed ad name?
nvm found this
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/i...h-diamonds.aspx
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#3383499 - 05/28/14 08:35 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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With cost no object in F1 lubricants I'll bet there's technology and component parts there that will never see the light of day let alone a consumer vehicle. There's probably nothing in that F1 oil that has the ghost of a chance of trickling down to the consumer because of cost.

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#3383642 - 05/28/14 11:48 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
Garak Offline


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Originally Posted By: yvon_la

That link has some good information, but also a lot of misconceptions. It never was mandatory, only recommended.

In any event, the hype was much bigger than the actual success of the product in practice. It never actually did much of anything that was promised, other than cost a lot of money. Take a walk into an Infiniti/Nissan dealership up here in Canada. They don't push this oil all all. Imperial Oil has marketing materials plastered all over the place.
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#3384098 - 05/29/14 04:29 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: OneEyeJack]
FetchFar Offline


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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
With cost no object in F1 lubricants I'll bet there's technology and component parts there that will never see the light of day let alone a consumer vehicle. There's probably nothing in that F1 oil that has the ghost of a chance of trickling down to the consumer because of cost.


Not many people would pay, say, $20 per quart for an F1-based oil in their sports cars. I would, and other car enthusiasts would. If Mobil or SOPUS, etc., came out and said "Here is a new motor oil that passes dexos1/HTO-06/4718M (and ACEA stuff, u know) AND uses the technology used in about 2011 to lower wear in F1 cars dramatically." I would tell marketing: "You had me at F1..."
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#3386563 - 06/01/14 09:32 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
fetchfar could be,given that Nissan have had a 600hp monster for what 20 years (Nissan skyline)do you know the name of the oil you mention ?like its actual spammed ad name?
nvm found this
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/i...h-diamonds.aspx


As for the Nissan-Infiniti oils name, its stuff available only at dealerships,
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#3418550 - 07/08/14 05:28 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Maybe they just started putting in CERATEC. European company, came out about the time this vastly reduced engine wear in F1 began.

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#3418832 - 07/08/14 08:52 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Two usernames, one person behind them. You moved quite far away in your 3 day-long hiatus away from here! Just wanted to let you know you haven't fooled everyone.
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#3419013 - 07/08/14 11:33 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
fetchfar could be,given that Nissan have had a 600hp monster for what 20 years (Nissan skyline)


Only 600 HP AFTER much tuning and upgrades, NONE of them left the factory with that much power. no-no

Yes, I will admit that Datsun built the bottom ends strong enough to take the crazy boost levels needed to make those aftermarket enhanced power figures (as did the Nippon Giant with their 2JZGTE). wink
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#3419363 - 07/09/14 10:16 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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The news article from 2011 is about McLaren-Mercedes-Mobil teammates. Are the other teams getting the same wear reduction since 2010 that Neale claims?

Its not oil, yet just the right engine coatings do a lot.

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#3419382 - 07/09/14 10:32 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Any link to it mate !

My bet would be that s better , with the turbos now .

Wee ll see .
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#3419410 - 07/09/14 10:54 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: sprocketser]
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Originally Posted By: sprocketser
Any link to it mate !
I was referring to the link in the original post, first post in this thread.

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#3419420 - 07/09/14 11:03 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: stickybuns]
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Ah , will have a look , thanx .
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#3419425 - 07/09/14 11:08 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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#3419515 - 07/09/14 12:36 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: sprocketser]
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Originally Posted By: sprocketser


Racing tech! "The smaller Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) and increased power per litre mean that the new engine runs hotter. Oil thins at higher temperatures and thus a hotter engine needs a thicker oil to stop metal components from rubbing together and failing.

However, the hotter conditions and reduced quantity of oil in the ICE (reduced from almost seven litres for the V8 to fewer than three litres for the V6) also mean that the oil must contribute more to cooling the engine. This requires thinner, faster flowing oil.

Additionally, the regulation changes restrict the quantity of fuel that can be consumed per race to 100 kg, which means that the oil needs to help conserve energy by minimising friction. Again, this requires thinner oil.

In order to meet these complex and contradicting requirements, the new engine oil for the 2014 car is a precisely balanced mixture of advanced, thinner synthetic base oils to help cooling and polymer viscosity boosters (which kick-in at higher temperatures) to thicken the oil. Friction-reducing oil components, which make it easier for metal surfaces to slide past each other, have also been used to improve overall fuel economy.

Another consideration is that the higher temperatures also make it more likely that the oil itself will stop working properly. High performance additives have been included to stop the oil from breaking down under these extreme conditions.

Energy losses in the gearbox can also have a significant impact on fuel economy. To address this, Petronas technologists have also produced precision gearbox lubricants for the 2014 car to ensure that energy losses in the transmission are kept to a minimum, whilst making sure that the gearbox is protected from failure.
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#3419516 - 07/09/14 12:38 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Thinner oils with lots of VI. The "Friction-reducing oil components" part is mysterious. Petronas and Mobil battle it out.

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#3419684 - 07/09/14 03:21 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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I decide that I'd to stop reading the magazine article in this part:

Nissan chose ester hydroxyls, part of the alcohol family, probably because the properties of esters in motor oil are well understood as esters have been used as friction modifiers in motor oil for decades. Nissan chose [/B]an ester called PAO; an ester often found as a friction modifier in oil[/B]. By adding PAO so it would be around 10-15% of the oil, when combined with the hydrogen free DLC coating, Nissan created oil that would be attracted to the cam follower on a molecular level.

[censored]? Embromation? GTFOH
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#3420034 - 07/09/14 08:53 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Rosetta, you mean the article on Nissan Ester oil offered thru dealerships for Nissan engines with the DLC coatings. Its probably not what F1 racing is using, although it uses very small nano diamonds to interact with the ester/DLC interface, which seems advanced.

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#3420512 - 07/10/14 09:40 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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With the advant of turbo this year and insanelly long durability of race engine need .all team probably needed new lubricant this year .even more so if their oil is in the 5 or 10 viscosity.i suspect they heavily use graphene.
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#3420561 - 07/10/14 10:32 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Just a comment on the magazine articles, a lot of those are based off of information provided from whatever company the article is written about. They can put pretty much whatever they want in there and most people will believe it and move on.

I remember maybe 10 or so years ago when the FIA said that an engine had to last a whole race weekend. There were shockwaves through the garage area and people ran around like the sky was falling saying an engine couldn't last more than 400 miles. Ferrari and BMW were crying because they couldn't use their Q engines. The same thing happened in NASCAR, no way could an engine last a whole weekend. Not only have lubricants advanced, but the engines and manufacturing and machining process have improved to the point that they make more power and are more reliable than ever.
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#3420650 - 07/10/14 12:06 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: bdcardinal]
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Just a comment on the magazine articles, a lot of those are based off of information provided from whatever company the article is written about. They can put pretty much whatever they want in there and most people will believe it and move on.

I remember maybe 10 or so years ago when the FIA said that an engine had to last a whole race weekend. There were shockwaves through the garage area and people ran around like the sky was falling saying an engine couldn't last more than 400 miles. Ferrari and BMW were crying because they couldn't use their Q engines. The same thing happened in NASCAR, no way could an engine last a whole weekend. Not only have lubricants advanced, but the engines and manufacturing and machining process have improved to the point that they make more power and are more reliable than ever.


I wondered that too. How much of the recent big jump in reliability is because of coatings, metallurgy, better finite element analysis, etc.? Both F1 articles mentioned in this thread are giving the credit to oil. I guess they toss truth our way.

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#3421099 - 07/10/14 07:02 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
With the advant of turbo this year and insanelly long durability of race engine need .all team probably needed new lubricant this year .even more so if their oil is in the 5 or 10 viscosity.i suspect they heavily use graphene.


Do you drive a truck for a graphite mining company (are there any graphite mines in the northland??)? shrug LOL
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#3421261 - 07/10/14 09:15 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: dailydriver]
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Graphene only works if you have a flux capacitor, and that's not coming until the next formula.
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#3421357 - 07/10/14 10:42 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: route66mike]
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Well Buckyballs from diamonds and coatings are ok, the problem was the confusion between Esters (from alcohol + acid or group V) and PAO (group IV). Errata on Basics ... That hurts!


Edited by Rosetta (07/10/14 10:43 PM)
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#3422632 - 07/12/14 01:00 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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A while back, I read an article that stated Mercedes and Petronas were making 30-50 more horsepower in their fuel compared to their competitors. I see no reason why they wouldn't be spending money on improving the oil. I would assume they can "free up" power thru a better oil.

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#3428765 - 07/18/14 08:43 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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I like the Synthium 5000 5w30 (dexos1), even the group3 Synthium 3000 5w40. I tried in my bike last year when there was a promo like 12 bucks a quart in here (kindda half price). Pretty good oils from them.
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#3431471 - 07/21/14 06:18 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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The oil might be better, to get the dramatic gains in longevity out of the engines. I'd say coatings and metallurgy have as much to do with it. According to this Piston Pin Article says dragster and NASCAR engines get between 4 to 16 times the life due to DLC coatings on piston pins. Like the F1 article in the first post in this thread.

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#3435218 - 07/25/14 11:13 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Maybe PAG has invaded the world of racing?
Wondering if F1 (others too) use PAG.
BITOG PAG discussion - Answers from MolaKule and others on PAG

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#3451605 - 08/10/14 03:12 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Yep, MolaKule keeps naming candidates for racing oils/additives that could make the difference, a secret weapon in their dry sumps.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...ent#Post3447380

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