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#3382622 - 05/27/14 11:43 PM F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know?
FetchFar Offline


Registered: 10/17/13
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What changed in 2011? this qoute:

"As little as a couple of seasons ago, engine wear was such that an engine nearing the end of its multi-race cycle would be significantly less powerful than one at the start of its life. That is no longer the case, in large part thanks to advancements in lubricant technology. Drivers no longer fear dramatic performance losses in older engines - and teams don’t fear failures as they used to.

“Over the last few years we’ve been working on the products we have and the oil chemistry,” says Neale. “And that’s given us a phenomenal efficiency improvement, like an 80 percent reduction in wear of metals. That means there’s more power available for the driver for longer. With engines and gearboxes needed to last for multiple races, it means that the power lasts.
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--- from Link - click Here for source
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#3382647 - 05/28/14 12:56 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
Garak Offline


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I bet these are closely guarded secrets.
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#3382785 - 05/28/14 07:02 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Interesting article. As with all racing technology, there is a trickle down effect to passenger vehicles. I'm sure Mobil is incorporating what they can on a cost effective basis. With F1, what something costs is not a primary consideration.
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#3382863 - 05/28/14 08:57 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Poke around the "Jay Leno's Garage" youtube channel, and you'll see him talking with a F1 lubricant specialist at Circuit of the Americas. Yes, the details of the engine oils and even the analyses they run on them are guarded. The guy didn't even look comfortable with Leno getting a sniff of the oil, even though they did let him pull a sample.
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#3382959 - 05/28/14 10:59 AM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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440Magnum, yes I saw that video, a fun one. Wonder what they did to get the 80% wear reduction they say. Throw in a bunch of moly? Switch to polyol ester (like Redline)? Change viscosity? Add VI (see Click Here for discussion by Shell ? Nano-particles added?

OK, nearly impossible to find an F1-insider-info-leaker when you need one...
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#3383201 - 05/28/14 03:20 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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f1 probably already use graphene in oil!
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#3383283 - 05/28/14 05:01 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
FetchFar Offline


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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
f1 probably already use graphene in oil!


Nice you mention that! I was just reading about that stuff. That could be it, sheets of linked overlapping carbon-atoms, graphite sheets. That would relate back to the old ARCO Graphite of the 1980's... just maybe.

Speculation again, but MolaKule once posted something about what Nissan (Infiniti) patented for their special oil they use in passenger cars now, cars that have the DLC diamond like carbon coatings. In that oil patent, they actually use 0.005 micron sized diamond particles (nano-dust) to work with polarized ester molecules. This oil is available at Nissan/Infiniti dealerships now. ... Nano tech, ceramics, diamond dust, might be at work here. don't know

All we need is one F1 Eric Snowden to leak stuff, just one disgruntled/retired employee.
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#3383486 - 05/28/14 08:13 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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fetchfar could be,given that Nissan have had a 600hp monster for what 20 years (Nissan skyline)do you know the name of the oil you mention ?like its actual spammed ad name?
nvm found this
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/i...h-diamonds.aspx
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#3383499 - 05/28/14 08:35 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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With cost no object in F1 lubricants I'll bet there's technology and component parts there that will never see the light of day let alone a consumer vehicle. There's probably nothing in that F1 oil that has the ghost of a chance of trickling down to the consumer because of cost.
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#3383642 - 05/28/14 11:48 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la

That link has some good information, but also a lot of misconceptions. It never was mandatory, only recommended.

In any event, the hype was much bigger than the actual success of the product in practice. It never actually did much of anything that was promised, other than cost a lot of money. Take a walk into an Infiniti/Nissan dealership up here in Canada. They don't push this oil all all. Imperial Oil has marketing materials plastered all over the place.
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#3384098 - 05/29/14 04:29 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
With cost no object in F1 lubricants I'll bet there's technology and component parts there that will never see the light of day let alone a consumer vehicle. There's probably nothing in that F1 oil that has the ghost of a chance of trickling down to the consumer because of cost.


Not many people would pay, say, $20 per quart for an F1-based oil in their sports cars. I would, and other car enthusiasts would. If Mobil or SOPUS, etc., came out and said "Here is a new motor oil that passes dexos1/HTO-06/4718M (and ACEA stuff, u know) AND uses the technology used in about 2011 to lower wear in F1 cars dramatically." I would tell marketing: "You had me at F1..."
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#3386563 - 06/01/14 09:32 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
fetchfar could be,given that Nissan have had a 600hp monster for what 20 years (Nissan skyline)do you know the name of the oil you mention ?like its actual spammed ad name?
nvm found this
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/i...h-diamonds.aspx


As for the Nissan-Infiniti oils name, its stuff available only at dealerships,
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#3418550 - 07/08/14 05:28 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Loc: California
Maybe they just started putting in CERATEC. European company, came out about the time this vastly reduced engine wear in F1 began.

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#3418832 - 07/08/14 08:52 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: FetchFar]
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Two usernames, one person behind them. You moved quite far away in your 3 day-long hiatus away from here! Just wanted to let you know you haven't fooled everyone.
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#3419013 - 07/08/14 11:33 PM Re: F1 Engine Oil Better as of 2011 -- Anybody Know? [Re: yvon_la]
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Originally Posted By: yvon_la
fetchfar could be,given that Nissan have had a 600hp monster for what 20 years (Nissan skyline)


Only 600 HP AFTER much tuning and upgrades, NONE of them left the factory with that much power. no-no

Yes, I will admit that Datsun built the bottom ends strong enough to take the crazy boost levels needed to make those aftermarket enhanced power figures (as did the Nippon Giant with their 2JZGTE). wink
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