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#3378912 - 05/23/14 04:13 AM Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts
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My motor mounts were really bad, so
I went to the wrecking yard in Coos Bay and picked up a set of AT motor mounts for $20.00 and stripped them of all original bushing material. I then filled them with 4 tubes of LOCTITE PL S40 polyurethane window, door & siding at $7.99 each.

[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/ATmounts1_zps16561e1d.jpg.html"][/url]



Tje jig I put together to locate everything while fulling and curing.


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#3378913 - 05/23/14 04:16 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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I then filed them and waited 4 months for curing through and through.




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#3378914 - 05/23/14 04:19 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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There is a quite measurable improvement over the old mounts. Still spongy, but the engine doesn't knock around when shifting, or goosing the throttle in gear.

Front mount driver side view.
[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/installed2_zpsd13bf30c.jpg.html"][/url]

Front mount passenger side view.
[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/installed1_zps713ceb2f.jpg.html"][/url]

Rear mount driver side view.
[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/installed3_zpsfba95d51.jpg.html"][/url]


Old mounts were in better shape than the wrecking yard mounts. Perfect for filling gaps with construction adhesive wink
[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/oldmounts_zps527dcb5f.jpg.html"][/url]
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#3378915 - 05/23/14 04:20 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Pictured below are my OE MT motor mounts. Like the AT mounts, they are fluid filled. The electronic mount is actually not an electrorheological fluid, like many believe. It simply has a servo motor that adjusts fluid damping like an adjustable shock to decrease vibration at idle.

I have cut away rubber on these two to drain fluid and fill with Locktite PL Premium construction adhesive.

You can see the rear mount on the right has a good sized cavity on the bottom that was fluid filled. I believe this was the cause of my movement.

I just need to clean these up and fill them when I have some spare cash. I will run the white mounts as long as They keep working before I swap these in, but in about three months these should be done and on stand-by.

[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/oldmountscut_zps8fab166a.jpg.html"][/url]




Edited by asand1 (05/23/14 04:33 AM)
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#3378919 - 05/23/14 04:40 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Before anyone tries to flame me for being cheap, this was an attempt to solve the problem of a [censored] design. Stock motor mounts are too soft for my liking, and replacement mounts are known to fail within months of installation.

My goal here was to make a semi-solid mount that would never break down and allow movement.
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#3378928 - 05/23/14 05:20 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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So you lived with a rocking motor for four months?

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#3378934 - 05/23/14 05:23 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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#3378938 - 05/23/14 05:31 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: Shannow]
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
You sir are a legend...thanks for posting.
Thank you.

Originally Posted By: eljefino
So you lived with a rocking motor for four months?


I lived with a rocking motor for 5 years, because my mounts were shot, despite outwardly looking good. But If your asking if I drove without mounts for 4 months, no. I modded wrecking yard mounts for zero downtime.
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#3378943 - 05/23/14 05:45 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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So, on rockauto there aren't any decent motor mounts for this car?
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#3378952 - 05/23/14 06:01 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: JustinH]
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Originally Posted By: JustinH
So, on rockauto there aren't any decent motor mounts for this car?


No decent ones according to reviews on Maxima.ORG, and OEM are insanely priced. The design relies on hydraulics and valving rather than just ample rubber to locate and isolate the engine. Its a poor design in my opinion, and one that cannot be cheaply replicated with any kind of quality.


Edited by asand1 (05/23/14 06:05 AM)
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#3378959 - 05/23/14 06:20 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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I have never seen anyone do this. Well Done Sir!
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#3378964 - 05/23/14 06:26 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: Char Baby]
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I have never seen anyone do this. Well Done Sir!


3M window weld is the superior product as far as caulk goes, but Mcmaster Carr and energy suspension has a pourable 2 part molding polyurethane. This is a popular mod for the Honda tuners.
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#3379008 - 05/23/14 07:45 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: eljefino]
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
So you lived with a rocking motor for four months?


I'm going on 2 years for the Focus ...
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#3379012 - 05/23/14 07:52 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Good work! I've been debating/procrastinating upgrading the torque mount in my Focus for a year now. It looks fine but allows a little too much engine movement for my taste. I should call the wreckers and get a used mount and try filling it as well.
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#3379041 - 05/23/14 08:26 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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The PT Cruiser goes through motor mounts like crazy. I have seen people on the PT forums fill in the oem mounts with stuff like this. Good job!
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#3379043 - 05/23/14 08:30 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: IndyIan]
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Good idea. When I had an mr2 spyder someone on spyderchat was selling home-made motor mounts...but these were more or less "puzzle pieces" that filled in the gaps of the original mounts.
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#3379065 - 05/23/14 08:52 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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I used to use Hockey pucks on some H-body GM 3800 V6 engines. Drill a hole through three hockey pucks, put a 6" grade 8 bolt through them and slap it in.

Best motor mount I've ever used, and longest lasting by far...
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#3379220 - 05/23/14 11:58 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Inventive! Cheers Cheers2

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#3379721 - 05/24/14 12:08 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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COOL! thumbsup

But these cannot be as rigid as either Prothane's or Energy Suspension's aftermarket mounts (IF that is what one wants), correct? shrug
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#3379726 - 05/24/14 12:23 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: dailydriver]
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
COOL! thumbsup

But these cannot be as rigid as either Prothane's or Energy Suspension's aftermarket mounts (IF that is what one wants), correct? shrug


Correct, they are somewhere between stock and ES/Prothane but definitely on the stiffer side. After driving to work I can say I am very happy with them as long as they hold up.
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#3379815 - 05/24/14 07:26 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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And I didn't see a single post calling you cheap!

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#3379822 - 05/24/14 07:38 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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How long are these "filled" mounts lasting?

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#3379829 - 05/24/14 07:49 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Its been about 55 miles now, mostly highway. This is just one trip to work and back plus taking the girls to school once. Shifting feels so much better, no shudder. Leaving stops is nicer, I don't have to feather the clutch to avoid a big jolt when the engine rocks back.
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#3381338 - 05/26/14 07:33 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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We used to do this with Neons at the strip. You could literally 'inject' the mount with high grade silicone or urethane and fix it right on the spot, well in 8 hours or so.

Only downside is a bit more vibe than a factory mount, but on many FWD vehicles this really helps the shifting of a manual trans....
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#3381346 - 05/26/14 07:56 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: Kira]
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And I didn't see a single post calling you cheap!

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#3381354 - 05/26/14 08:13 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Good job!

Having done the Windo-Weld mount on a previous car, that was insane the level of vibration it transmitted. As in, vibrate the car like a bass drum. I wouldn't put up with it for a daily driver anymore. Good to hear that this stuff works, and is nowhere near as stiff.
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#3384555 - 05/30/14 01:08 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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I've done some research and found some info for different fillers, with comparative pricing.

The PL S40 I used is only Shore A 28-32, and $7.99 a tube.

3M Auto Glass Urethane Windshield Adhesive-Medium Viscosity,
PN 08693, Is Shore A 50-55 and about $15.00 a tube.


3M Windo-Weld Super Fast Urethane, PN 08609, is Shore A 55-60 and $26.00 a tube.

I think 3M 08693 is the winner, and will go in my old mounts soon.
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#3384650 - 05/30/14 07:18 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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I'm getting ready to do this with my Protege5. A good quality passenger side engine mount is close to $200 for the manual transaxle cars. I'm getting ready to take a weekend away. I may remove the mount and fill it with the fast curing windshield adhesive that supposedly will set in about 48 hours.

I'm glad you posted this. The jig is a good idea that I will adopt for my work.

Stay tuned over the next few weeks.
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#3384655 - 05/30/14 07:26 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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You can get 3M Windo-Weld Super Fast Urethane, PN 08609 on Amazon for under $19. oilBabe has Prime, so we'll see if I can get a tube shipped free.
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#3384666 - 05/30/14 07:44 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: javacontour]
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Is the mount fluid filled? I guess you have very little to lose by trying a filled/solid mount but I think you'll find it too buzzy for a DD.
Some companies make urethane inserts to fill the holes in the OEM mount, I wonder if putting in an insert and then drill holes into it to soften it until you like it, would work?
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#3384669 - 05/30/14 07:53 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: IndyIan]
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That's the insane part about the price. It's not a fluid filled mount. Apparently the manual transmission car is sort of a unicorn when it comes to a few of the motor mounts.

I plan to try this with the easy to get to mounts first, and if it works, I'll invest the time in more difficult to reach mounts.

Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Is the mount fluid filled? I guess you have very little to lose by trying a filled/solid mount but I think you'll find it too buzzy for a DD.
Some companies make urethane inserts to fill the holes in the OEM mount, I wonder if putting in an insert and then drill holes into it to soften it until you like it, would work?
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#3384680 - 05/30/14 08:08 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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will be interesting to see how they hold up. Not sure if you did much to ensure bonding to the other parts (granted you used adhesives), and if it is the right stuff for the heat and everything else.

Still, nice job! I hope they last and keep us posted. OE stuff cannot be THAT different, other than how they pour/craft and cure the materials...

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#3391136 - 06/06/14 10:17 PM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Here is my attempt for the Protégé 5

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7j6qt4nb7x8y4zl/AACkbXZ_-ohOQ5UVmpMor48ha

I supported the engine, removed the mount. You can see the mount is completely torn. I cleaned it with brake parts cleaner and then filled it with the 3M windshield urethane. It is supposed to be fast setting. From what I've read, 48 hours should be enough. I am giving it over 72 hours while I am on a long weekend with oilBabe.

For some reason, a good quality mount for a manual transmission P5 is $150-200. So $18 in urethane and 90 minutes time is a worthy gamble to see if this works.

The other mounts are more realistically priced so if needed, I will buy replacements.
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#3391150 - 06/06/14 10:42 PM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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I hope it works out but if it doesn't take a look at these

http://store.awrracing.com/categories/Engine-Mounts/Mazda-Protege5/
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#3392003 - 06/08/14 08:36 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Of course, there are other "synthetic rubber" options that cure rather rapidly. No need to wait 4 months!

I've done similar things with engine mounts, transmission mounts, suspension bushings and yes, even pneumatic tires.

1) Polysulfide rubber sealants (for aircraft fuel tanks and for sealing the fuselage) such as PRC-Desoto PR-1422 (B2 cures in 2 hours, B-1/2 cures in 1/2 hour)


2) 2 part polyurethane of nearly any durometer you want (softness) I typically use 30 durometer. This stuff is cheap, easy to mix, easy to mold (such as in a paper cup) , makes great suspension bushings and so on. The pic says "RTV" which means "room temperature vulcanizing". It does not mean it's silicone sealant.

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#3392011 - 06/08/14 08:40 AM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Another quick note:

The 30 durometer poly is great for various applications. One use is to fill small Chinese tires so they don't leak down overnight. Another good use is to re-fill leaking "liquid filled" engine mounts and suspension bushings. Just mix up a batch and inject it in the empty mount/bushing using the holes you drill. Works like a champ.
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#3484898 - 09/16/14 11:21 PM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Today I picked up the 3M 08693 window urethane for $11.23 at NAPA auto parts and filled my original MT mounts. I cut a couple lengths of 1/2" aluminum tube to help fill the voids in one mount, this allowed me to complete the whole job with just one tube of urethane.

[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/windowurethane_zpsb1c1ea1f.jpg.html"][/url]

[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/mount3_zpsbb2bd3ad.jpg.html"][/url]

[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/mount1_zps24064c13.jpg.html"][/url]

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#3492314 - 09/24/14 03:24 PM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Today I installed the new DIY mounts. The white mounts were not pretty. The rear mount tore loose and formed a gap above the eye.

[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/failedwhitemount2_zps9e81db73.jpg.html"][/url]

[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/failedwhitemount1_zpsc9709dc7.jpg.html"][/url]

Mounted the new DIY urethane mounts and bolted the cross member in, torqued to 65ft/lbs.
[url="http://s146.photobucket.com/user/asandberg6/media/96%20MAXIMA/mounted_zpsaa3ffeb0.jpg.html"][/url]

Car shakes a bunch at startup, but idle is still smooth.
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#3492360 - 09/24/14 04:09 PM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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Edited by asand1 (09/24/14 04:13 PM)
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#3492652 - 09/24/14 09:51 PM Re: Cheap DIY urethane motor mounts [Re: asand1]
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