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#3373883 - 05/17/14 06:58 AM Porsche Classic Oil
ianj3vr6 Offline


Registered: 07/14/08
Posts: 34
Loc: Burke, VA
Hey All,

I hope this is not a redundant post. But, the Porsche Classic dept just recently released 2 different grades specifically designed for all air-cooled Porsche engines. Hopefully I've summed it up correctly:

Mineral based 20w-50 (All engines up to 3L in displacement)
PAO based 10w-60 (All engines 3L and above)


Info directly from Porsche:
http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessoriesan...eweditions/oil/
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#3373887 - 05/17/14 07:29 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 2297
Loc: Michigan
What is of more interest is:
1) What specifications must these grades meet?

2) What grade are you using now?

3) Are you/why are you interested in changing grades?

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#3373901 - 05/17/14 07:58 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
ianj3vr6 Offline


Registered: 07/14/08
Posts: 34
Loc: Burke, VA
I have no reason to use either of these. This was merely meant as an FYI and to start a more in depth discussion on these two different oils.
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#3373934 - 05/17/14 08:58 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
05LGTLtd Offline


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 799
Loc: Va
Now that's a set of nice looking cans... ;-)
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#3373936 - 05/17/14 09:04 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 2297
Loc: Michigan
If an in-depth discussion is what you would like, why not answer my other two questions? Or do you want the rest of us to discuss this while you sit silent on the sidelines?


Originally Posted By: ianj3vr6
I have no reason to use either of these. This was merely meant as an FYI and to start a more in depth discussion on these two different oils.

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#3373958 - 05/17/14 09:48 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: 05LGTLtd]
Hounds Offline


Registered: 03/19/09
Posts: 430
Loc: Hither & Yon
Originally Posted By: 05LGTLtd
Now that's a set of nice looking cans... ;-)

That's what I was thinking. More garage art.

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#3373961 - 05/17/14 09:53 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: Oil Changer]
Stelth Offline


Registered: 02/24/11
Posts: 1732
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
If an in-depth discussion is what you would like, why not answer my other two questions? Or do you want the rest of us to discuss this while you sit silent on the sidelines?


Originally Posted By: ianj3vr6
I have no reason to use either of these. This was merely meant as an FYI and to start a more in depth discussion on these two different oils.


Oil Changer, I think the OP is bringing up some news he believes will be of interest to some members. He doesn't necessarily have to conform to your concept of the ideal post.
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#3373965 - 05/17/14 10:03 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: Stelth]
Oil Changer Offline


Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 2297
Loc: Michigan
You don't need to guess. He came right out and said he wanted an in-depth discussion. Crazy for me to think he wanted to be involved in his own post, ha?

Originally Posted By: Stelth
[Oil Changer, I think the OP is bringing up some news he believes will be of interest to some members. He doesn't necessarily have to conform to your concept of the ideal post.

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#3373988 - 05/17/14 10:32 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
vintageant Offline


Registered: 10/27/06
Posts: 283
Loc: Florida, USA
Many thanks to the OP for posting. Great info!

The snide comments, however, mystify me.
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#3374005 - 05/17/14 11:05 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 29244
Loc: Great Lakes
Thanks for the post.

Too bad they haven't posted any specs. I'd be curious to see how these oils compare to any other 20w-50 or 10w-60.
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#3374023 - 05/17/14 11:45 AM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 5616
Loc: Virginia Beach
Very interesting!

Now that I've found the perfect oil, I'll have to start searching for the car to go with that oil...always been "Porsche-curious"...

Cheers,
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#3374053 - 05/17/14 12:45 PM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
ianj3vr6 Offline


Registered: 07/14/08
Posts: 34
Loc: Burke, VA
Oil Changer, good lord man! Just thought folks here might be interested to see this.I know nothing about this oil, other than what was on the website. I thought this would be a relative post for others who might be interested. To answer your 3 questions:

1)No freaking clue

2)M1 0w-40,T6, TGMO. Look at my sig and figure it out for yourself

3)Not interested in changing anything.
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#3374055 - 05/17/14 12:50 PM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: Oil Changer]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 29244
Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
You don't need to guess. He came right out and said he wanted an in-depth discussion. Crazy for me to think he wanted to be involved in his own post, ha?

Give the guy a break. He posted what he could find, in hopes someone else here may have more info on these.
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#3374098 - 05/17/14 02:13 PM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 9893
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
I liked the details provided of why these heavy, lower detergent oils may be more suitable in the referenced older air cooled engines. The comparison to a 0W-30 was interesting (there isn't a 0W-30 on the A40 list) having a more optimum cold start behaviour but it's use could result in leaks, higher oil consumption and lower oil pressure due to the engine's higher production tolerances.

I have a friend with a '72 911 with a rebuilt engine and he has no problem maintaining sufficient oil pressure on using M1 0W-40.
Previous owner was using 20W-50 even after the engine was rebuilt, as most owners of air cooled Porsches do.
The engine runs so much better with the lighter higher VI oil.

My advise to owners of all older cars, is to take advantage of the advances in modern lubricants if you can. If the engine hasn't been rebuilt, is loose and consumes a far bit of oil then sure run a 20W-50 or a 15W-40 if you can maintain OP, but once an engine has been rebuilt use a modern light oil.
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#3374157 - 05/17/14 04:09 PM Re: Porsche Classic Oil [Re: ianj3vr6]
Doug Hillary Offline


Registered: 05/30/03
Posts: 5004
Loc: Airlie Beach Australia
Hi,
ianj3vr6 - Thanks for the info

These lubricants (viscosities) are what the Factory's Museum in Zuffenhausen uses!

Previously knowing some of the people there including the Director I can assure you they know what they are talking about...................
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