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#3373250 - 05/16/14 12:05 PM eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022)
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This oil was sold to me for an '08 328xi (gasoline) to replace AGIP PC 5w-40 (no longer available). I think eni i-Sint 5w-40 (001023) is what they were supposed to replace it with. Any input is appreciated.

001022

http://travel.eni.com/iveportal/products/details.do?locale=en_IT&productCode=001022&menu=101|1

001023

http://travel.eni.com/iveportal/products/details.do?locale=en_IT&productCode=001023
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#3373289 - 05/16/14 01:04 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Furthermore, I believe that 001023 is more suitable for the BMW gasoline engines than 001022 according to approvals. This is the root of my concern.
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#3375738 - 05/19/14 03:50 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Despite the fact that it strangely has a lower product code number, 1022 is superior to 1023.
It meets BMW Specification Longlife-04 which is superior to and had superseded LL-01 and LL-98.
It also meets the higher specs of M-B and VW, both of which are demanding.

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#3375826 - 05/19/14 05:31 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Thank you for your reply lim. I unable to wrap my head around some of these approval numbers. I thought that LL-04 was just a diesel spec and LL-01 was for gasoline engines. Furthermore, from what I have read on here is that, LL-04 is not suitable for extended OCI in North America due to the fuel quality and LL-01 is. I'm confused.

Despite all of this, they both meet spec. Porsche A40 which I thought was a tough spec to meet.



Edited by GSCJR (05/19/14 05:33 PM)
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#3376297 - 05/20/14 09:24 AM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
lim Offline


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So many numbers and letters, plus dates - I know what you mean!
This comparison chart may help in understanding; it gives relative values and some very basic chemical data. Note that the same 'specification' can change dramatically when revised/reissued. (see VW 505.01 for '99 and '05).
Although LL-04 is a superior spec to LL-01, perhaps it is that LL-01 is a better solution for your car because of the NA fuel characteristics?

Regards, lim

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#3376346 - 05/20/14 10:05 AM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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LL-04 and LL-01 differ on the fact that LL-01 is full-SAPS, whilst LL-04 is IIRC, mid-SAPS.

As noted by lim, a LL-01 lubricant is probably more appropriate for your vehicle when operated in North America.

This is somewhat confirmed by the fact that Mobil recommends their 0w-40 product (LL-01) for your application instead of their 5w-30 ESP (LL-04).
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#3376455 - 05/20/14 12:42 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Thank you for your input also, Overkill. Can you shed some light on why Eni Lubricant Advisor recommends LL-04 in a 5w-30 grade but LL-01 in a 5w-40 grade for this application? Or is it in error?
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#3376462 - 05/20/14 12:49 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
Thank you for your input also, Overkill. Can you shed some light on why Eni Lubricant Advisor recommends LL-04 in a 5w-30 grade but LL-01 in a 5w-40 grade for this application? Or is it in error?



Probably an error. Why are you using this oil and not M1 0w-40 BTW?
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#3376633 - 05/20/14 04:08 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Not cost effective, M1 0w-40 is only available in 1L bottles from our supplier.


Edited by GSCJR (05/20/14 04:10 PM)
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#3376662 - 05/20/14 04:38 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
Not cost effective, M1 0w-40 is only available in 1L bottles from our supplier.


What's the price difference? I was getting it for about $8/L from a local car dealership, which beats even CT on sale.

From your OP it sounded like this was for your personal vehicle but this "our supplier" has me thinking this isn't the only vehicle you are sourcing this type of lubricant for?

I am sure if volume is a concern, Imperial Oil can sell you M1 0w-40 in bulk at a discount.
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#3376733 - 05/20/14 06:24 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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The eni is $7 less per litre than the M1. In the future, I will order the 5w-30 (LL-01) which is the same price as the 5w-40 (LL-04) currently in the sump.





Edited by GSCJR (05/20/14 06:25 PM)
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#3376760 - 05/20/14 07:14 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
The eni is $7 less per litre than the M1. In the future, I will order the 5w-30 (LL-01) which is the same price as the 5w-40 (LL-04) currently in the sump.





I assume that's based off retail of the 0w-40, so the eni is $5/L?

I dunno, I'd be sketched out and try to source a brand I've heard of but if you feel comfortable running it (and it does at least carry the appropriate approval) then all the power to you thumbsup
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#3376822 - 05/20/14 08:02 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
The eni is $7 less per litre than the M1.

Anyone should be able to get M1 0w-40 from the distributor for roughly $9 a litre at their retail price. So, $2 a litre for this alternative must be pretty attractive. wink
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#3376843 - 05/20/14 08:20 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Our supplier is charging $13.95/L for the M1 0w-40. We are paying $7.00/L regardless of grade for the eni. The eni just went up in price, we were paying $6.00/L.

FYI, eni is formerly AGIP and I have been using their engine oil for years without any issues to report at this time.
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#3376889 - 05/20/14 08:51 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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That's cool. Maybe eni can bring in something with the Fiat spec that is sorely lacking from those who need it with certain Chryslers.
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#3376897 - 05/20/14 08:57 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
Our supplier is charging $13.95/L for the M1 0w-40. We are paying $7.00/L regardless of grade for the eni. The eni just went up in price, we were paying $6.00/L.

FYI, eni is formerly AGIP and I have been using their engine oil for years without any issues to report at this time.



That's revolting. You can walk into Canadian Tire or Walmart and buy it for less than that!

I was paying around $8/L, so a whopping buck more than you are paying for Eni/AGIP. With that kind of difference, I'd go M1.

You should be able to get it for a lot less than you are being quoted. When your "supplier" is charging you more than retail at CT, you've got issues, LOL! That'd be like one of my wholesalers trying to sell me a Cisco switch at MSRP, LMAO! grin
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#3376907 - 05/20/14 09:02 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: lim]
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Garak, they have done so already. If you click on the link in my OP you will see the specs once you scroll down the page. There are a couple of Fiat specs just to name a few.


Edited by GSCJR (05/20/14 09:13 PM)
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#3376917 - 05/20/14 09:11 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: OVERKILL]
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: GSCJR
Our supplier is charging $13.95/L for the M1 0w-40. We are paying $7.00/L regardless of grade for the eni. The eni just went up in price, we were paying $6.00/L.

FYI, eni is formerly AGIP and I have been using their engine oil for years without any issues to report at this time.



That's revolting. You can walk into Canadian Tire or Walmart and buy it for less than that!

I was paying around $8/L, so a whopping buck more than you are paying for Eni/AGIP. With that kind of difference, I'd go M1.

You should be able to get it for a lot less than you are being quoted. When your "supplier" is charging you more than retail at CT, you've got issues, LOL! That'd be like one of my wholesalers trying to sell me a Cisco switch at MSRP, LMAO! grin


I agree with you however, I do not have the authority to switch suppliers. Also, I don't have to be out of pocket by shopping at CT or WW.

FYI, I have definitely never seen 0w-40 at WW. CT maybe?
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#3376948 - 05/20/14 09:57 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: GSCJR
Our supplier is charging $13.95/L for the M1 0w-40. We are paying $7.00/L regardless of grade for the eni. The eni just went up in price, we were paying $6.00/L.

FYI, eni is formerly AGIP and I have been using their engine oil for years without any issues to report at this time.



That's revolting. You can walk into Canadian Tire or Walmart and buy it for less than that!

I was paying around $8/L, so a whopping buck more than you are paying for Eni/AGIP. With that kind of difference, I'd go M1.

You should be able to get it for a lot less than you are being quoted. When your "supplier" is charging you more than retail at CT, you've got issues, LOL! That'd be like one of my wholesalers trying to sell me a Cisco switch at MSRP, LMAO! grin


I agree with you however, I do not have the authority to switch suppliers. Also, I don't have to be out of pocket by shopping at CT or WW.

FYI, I have definitely never seen 0w-40 at WW. CT maybe?


Only some WM's carry it.
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#3377557 - 05/21/14 04:48 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Originally Posted By: GSCJR
Garak, they have done so already.

Nice. A few extra options are always helpful.
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#3399744 - 06/17/14 12:16 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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You have a catch-22 here.

BMW says: "LL-04 for the N51 engine only in Europe".
But eni only makes a 5W40 in LL-01, and two different 5W-30 in LL04, as i-Sint is their European lineup and there both can go into the N51 engine.

If you digg deeper, eni even recommends i-Sint Tech 0W30 in the N52 USA in another Finder, which is high-SAPS and would correspond to LL-01 FE, but the oil is not certified by BMW.


(If the Chrysler oil happens to be FIAT 9.55535-G1: That would be eni i-Sint Tech F 5W30, despite the Ford certification. Also missing on this list: Agip Racing 10W60 and Agip Tecsint SX 0W40, both PAO-based)

Nothing wrong with sticking with the i-Sint 5W40 (I use it myself in one of my cars and it's great. 4K now and still golden in color, going for an OCI of 10K), but if you know that you're using high-quality fuel, I'd go for the i-Sint 5W30, as (according to this list) it's PAO-based, while the i-Sint 5W40 is a Group III oil.


Edited by tommygunn (06/17/14 12:19 PM)

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#3400103 - 06/17/14 08:40 PM Re: eni i-Sint MS 5W-40 (001022) [Re: GSCJR]
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Update:

eni i-Sint MS 5W40 works for the 1.4L Turbo Dodge Dart.
eni Tecsint 0W40 for the Dodge V12.
American Agip PC 0W20 or 5W20 in all other Chryslers, RAMs and Dodges (Fiat calls the 5W20 for the 3.6 Pentastar 9.55535-CR3).

And as far as the RAM 1500 Ecodiesel is concerned: ""The manufacturer recommends engine oils that meet the requirements of Chrysler Material Standard MS-11106, and that are approved to Fiat 9.55535-S1 or Fiat 9.55535-S3 and ACEA C3."

Which is a bit wishy-washy as S1 is an ACEA C2 oil. But my guess is that eni i-Sint MS 5W30 (which is ACEA C3) will get the S3 certification when the 2014 generation of Multijet diesels hits Europe.


Edited by tommygunn (06/17/14 08:42 PM)

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