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#3367992 - 05/10/14 09:45 PM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: IndyIan]
artificialist Offline


Registered: 09/23/07
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Have a look at the domestics just for the seating. It seems that a shorter seat cushion is more of a japanese car issue. My Dad complains of the same thing in most japanese cars.
To get a good adjustable seat, you probably will have to go to a used car to stay under $20k, but maybe a new base Camry seat will work for you, need to try it out.

German cars usually have great seats.

Maybe he can get lucky and find a deal on a current VW Passat. The current ones aren't as fancy as the B5 and B5.5, but they are far simpler to work on. The gasoline engine now uses a timing chain instead of a belt. Even if you did have to have work done, you wouldn't be stuck dissembling the whole front end of the car.

The base turbo engine uses 87 octane fuel, and gets good MPG.
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#3368427 - 05/11/14 09:58 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 09/25/09
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With careful shopping, 20K will buy you a wide range of new cars.
You might be able to get a new Accord or Camry for that kind of money.
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#3368432 - 05/11/14 10:07 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 07/18/10
Posts: 78
Loc: Colorado
I have been buying cars for 50 years.I am a reader of Consumer reports magazine.I work for a company that has a number of people that drive 40K plus a year for work.I of course know all about their vehicles and how they are holding up.
Overall in my opinion the safe way to go is Japanese and Korean made vehicles with a caution on late model Nissan products.
I recently switched out from a Chrysler and Ford to a Hyundai Elantra and an older Nissan Sentra and they are almost bullet proof when it comes to reliability and repairs.

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#3368447 - 05/11/14 10:21 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 7180
Loc: CT
I'd look at a Buick Regal, maybe you can find one with that turbo charged 4 cylinder.

I'd stay away from German cars if you want the low cents per mile that a Honda provides. You won't get that.

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#3369081 - 05/12/14 12:57 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 30
Loc: California
Thanks again for the replies.

I drove an Avalon a few years back. Actually really liked it a lot. If it were for wanting to get a four-cylinder for better mpg and reduced maintenance costs, I'd definitely consider it. I should mention that I'd like to get at least as good fuel economy as I do now, but preferably better.

Many of my colleagues tell me to get a Prius and just deal with it. My boss suggested leasing an electric car; outside of the insurance cost, leasing the least expensive Tesla S might not be that much more expensive than buying a $20,000 car and gas. It's not something I'm comfortable doing at this point, though.

Oh, and as far as brand/status/prestige is concerned, I don't have an ego to maintain. I've owned mostly "mainstream" cars - Chevrolet, Geo, Honda, Mazda, Saturn, Toyota. Among my peer group and colleagues I often have the "worst" car and am known for my frugality, which has been really beneficial for me. So I'm not a brand snob by any means, even though I do like cars, and have read countless magazines and internet sites since I was a kid about automobiles. What I'm suffering from here is a bit of indecision, if you want to call it something; I'm always good with advice for others, and have gone with people to buy their cars.

The working list is (and will shrink with some research):
Mazda6
Mazda3
Subaru Legacy
Buick Lucerne
Buick Verano
Buick Regal
Chevrolet Cruze
Lincoln MKZ
Ford Fusion
Nissan Altima
VW Passat
Buick LaCrosse
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord
Hyundai Elantra
Hyundai Sonata
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#3369174 - 05/12/14 07:46 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 4580
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Dohnuts, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one cheering for Buick here. They were grand cruisers when Buick specialized in that, and now they are really giving the imports some competition. I've driven the LaCrosse (very smooth, but it *seemed* a little cramped to drive because of that swooping center console). Never have driven a Verano, but when I sat in one on the dealer floor late last year, it seemed as solid and bank vault-like as the Regal does.
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#3369391 - 05/12/14 12:40 PM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 5441
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
Any possibility of swapping in some better seats for your current Accord? That seemed like your major complaint.
New seats and maybe some sound deadening, if you're so inclined, and you would be miles ahead in saving$...

I swapped seats in my Civic as seeing how [censored] the stock ones were for longer drives. You could probably fit some Acura seats easily...
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#3369657 - 05/12/14 05:19 PM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 7180
Loc: CT
I have not driven the latest and greatest Japanese cars but what I don't like about them in general is the tin can ride and loud road noise on the highway. Now I know everything is redesigned for 14 but I can't imagine they are leaps and bounds better than the few year old ones.

Lexus if you get a real one, and Buick build better ridding more substantial cars. Fusions are a bit better in this area as well.



Edited by hattaresguy (05/12/14 05:21 PM)

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#3370526 - 05/13/14 02:25 PM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 11/30/05
Posts: 2861
Loc: FL
On your list I like the Mazda 6 and 3,Subaru, fusion, Altima, Accord, and all the Buicks. If I was in the market the Accord would probably be in the forefront for me or the Mazda 6 with added sound deadening. I would test drive the Camry but I would not expect it to be my favorite. JMHO.

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#3370532 - 05/13/14 02:32 PM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: hattaresguy]
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Registered: 02/08/13
Posts: 1797
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I have not driven the latest and greatest Japanese cars but what I don't like about them in general is the tin can ride and loud road noise on the highway. Now I know everything is redesigned for 14 but I can't imagine they are leaps and bounds better than the few year old ones.

Lexus if you get a real one, and Buick build better ridding more substantial cars. Fusions are a bit better in this area as well.



I think this depends on which ones you look at. My Camry certainly doesn't feel like you describe Japanese cars to, neither did any of the other ones I test drove. Over the last ten years the average Japanese sedan has gotten a lot more substantial.
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#3372975 - 05/16/14 01:43 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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2012 VW Passat. Either the 2.5liter or TDI. Test drive it first.
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#3373994 - 05/17/14 10:43 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 07/21/02
Posts: 2849
Loc: KY
I would go with the Mazda 6, but then I prefer a more engaging drive than a lot of people. If you want to go domestic the Fusion would be my choice.
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#3387523 - 06/03/14 12:26 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 30
Loc: California
So, quick update. An observation: when I'm not actually in need of a car, the shopping process is an incredibly slow grind. If nothing else, I realized that I like my current car quite a bit, especially after doing some maintenance and getting "new" wheels/tires.

Okay, that being said, I test drove a Chevrolet Cruze, 1LT trim I believe (it was a used car). I was very surprised by how quiet it was for the class of car it was (mainstream compact). It does quite well crusing on the freeway, not too noisy, ride is generally smooth. Turning, maybe it's the suspension tuning towards "cruise" (ahem) rather than sport, is not as good at slow or even moderate speed turns as the Accord, and the eyeball test says that the Cruze is smaller, dimensionally. The back seat is a smidge too small to pass my test, but could probably make do with my young kids. In a few years, when junior is well into his teen years, he'll have to sit in the front.

Interior trim and pieces are of decent quality, although I would need to take a little time to get used to the button and display positions and style. Chevrolet did a solid job with this car, it's a far cry from the Chevrolets of the past (I owned two Camaros in the 1990s, fwiw).
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#3387581 - 06/03/14 06:08 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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Registered: 03/24/07
Posts: 9624
Loc: Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: dohnuts
So, quick update. An observation: when I'm not actually in need of a car, the shopping process is an incredibly slow grind. If nothing else, I realized that I like my current car quite a bit, especially after doing some maintenance and getting "new" wheels/tires.

Okay, that being said, I test drove a Chevrolet Cruze, 1LT trim I believe (it was a used car). I was very surprised by how quiet it was for the class of car it was (mainstream compact). It does quite well crusing on the freeway, not too noisy, ride is generally smooth. Turning, maybe it's the suspension tuning towards "cruise" (ahem) rather than sport, is not as good at slow or even moderate speed turns as the Accord, and the eyeball test says that the Cruze is smaller, dimensionally. The back seat is a smidge too small to pass my test, but could probably make do with my young kids. In a few years, when junior is well into his teen years, he'll have to sit in the front.

Interior trim and pieces are of decent quality, although I would need to take a little time to get used to the button and display positions and style. Chevrolet did a solid job with this car, it's a far cry from the Chevrolets of the past (I owned two Camaros in the 1990s, fwiw).


Seeing that it's a 1LT with the non-sport suspension and 16" tires, it's not surprising that it's a marshmallow. The trims with 17" or 18" tires handle noticeably better. And, a Cruze Eco with a stick will handle better while getting 40+ mpg. I have 86k miles on mine. It's been a good car aside from needing two water pumps in the past 10k miles. Both were covered under powertrain warranty since one was a bum part.
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#3388560 - 06/04/14 10:38 AM Re: Recommendations for Mid-size Sedan, 15-20K [Re: dohnuts]
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I really like the 2014 Accords. My friend recently purchased a "Sport" with 6 speed manual, for around $22K OTD. It's an amazing deal, IMHO.
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